So, your calculating that Brunell can still produce if Brees goes down because of two plays is just as asinine as you think we are for saying he can't after watching one full game.

now that we are even we need a tie breaker im all for coming up with ridiculous arguments if you guys can use them

You're fighting a losing battle. You can lead a horse to water...

i know nobody here has ever jumped the gun on somebody

now that we are even we need a tie breaker im all for coming up with ridiculous arguments if you guys can use them

That's pretty much what you've been coming up with so far and not being able to back them up, so be my guest.

what havent i backed up.....im more than willing to try and elaborate

but so far nobody has really answered my question as to why brunell has nothing left in the tank

Brunell's football smarts are not in question, so it makes no difference who has been coaching him. It's what he can physically still do that is in question. And could it be that he has not played with the starters for three years because he is no longer good enough to warrant playing with them?

It is also not true that every pass he has thrown has been when backups were in the game. In the Carolina game Colston, Meacham, and Bush all were starters and were targeted with passes. He has had some great years....in the past. But when you can't hold onto a starting job over QBs like Byron Leftwich, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell, and Todd Collins, it is indicative that you have lost something off your game. He has been in the league for a long time....perhaps too long. Bottom line though is we all hope we don't have to find out if he still has it or not.