Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???

SaintPauly · 04-14-2010, 11:25 PM

Ok, Ware isn't going anywhere, no pun intended. I was thinking a reasonable trade idea. Unless they want to trade straight out? Then heck yeah.

D_it_up · 04-14-2010, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Ok, Ware isn't going anywhere, no pun intended. I was thinking a reasonable trade idea. Unless they want to trade straight out? Then heck yeah.

Hey. You asked. lol

strato · 04-14-2010, 11:27 PM

Ok how about that other LB..cant call his name

strato · 04-14-2010, 11:29 PM

Here ya go

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D_it_up · 04-14-2010, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Ok how about that other LB..cant call his name

Anthony Spencer? Or is he a defensive end?

strato · 04-14-2010, 11:35 PM

Yeah thats him...i guess he is..but i would take him...lol

Turbo Saint · 04-15-2010, 12:50 AM

i'm absolutely ok without him.

i got so tired of hearing "false start, #70, 5 yard penalty...repeat (#) down" or the same with holding...he just seemed like a penalty machine to me. rock on bushrod!

CantonLegend · 04-15-2010, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Guys, Brown is coming off a season-long injury in which his team played better when he wasn't there. Doesn't exactly scream first-round draft pick to me.

the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added

but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team

The national media ragged on Bushrod a lot last year because he had a couple of bad games, but point is, the Saints gave up very few sacks and Bushrod actually did pretty well. He's not an elite tackle, but definitely a good one.

in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help

in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help

brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs....

bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs......

see the difference?

Crusader · 04-15-2010, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added

but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team

in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help

in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help

brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs....

bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs......

see the difference?

I know you're down on Bushrod but how uch do you think could be accredited to it being his first season as a starter and do you see rome for improvement?

From watching him this season I feel he has the physical tools to do it. I lik ehim in runblocking but he needs to improve his footwork and "sit down" more when passblocking, IMHO.

What I mean is trading Brown if Bushrod doesn't get better would be unwise but with the coaches we have i expect him to improve.

CantonLegend · 04-15-2010, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I know you're down on Bushrod but how uch do you think could be accredited to it being his first season as a starter and do you see rome for improvement?

From watching him this season I feel he has the physical tools to do it. I lik ehim in runblocking but he needs to improve his footwork and "sit down" more when passblocking, IMHO.

What I mean is trading Brown if Bushrod doesn't get better would be unwise but with the coaches we have i expect him to improve.

do i hope he can improve...yes......do i think he can improve?......i dont know

hes been in the league for 3 years and has done a lot of nothing....he has disappointed sean payton and its very publicized that payton was down on bushrod

IMO bushrods biggest weakness is his drop step

he drops back way too far when he pass blocks and stands up too straight when makin up for the ground he covered

the DEs are allowed too much room for movement before he initiates contact and like you said, he needs to sit a little more and not play so freaking high

im down on him because of his pass blocking.....although ive seen him blow a few assignments while run blocking

the difference with run blocking is that he can initiate contact immediately and can use his size and power to overwhelm defenders

the problem with him is when he drop steps he cant recover and that is usually only in pass blocking situations

04-14-2010, 11:25 PM	#11
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Ok, Ware isn't going anywhere, no pun intended. I was thinking a reasonable trade idea. Unless they want to trade straight out? Then heck yeah.

04-14-2010, 11:26 PM	#12
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Ok, Ware isn't going anywhere, no pun intended. I was thinking a reasonable trade idea. Unless they want to trade straight out? Then heck yeah. Hey. You asked. lol

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strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Yeah thats him...i guess he is..but i would take him...lol

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04-15-2010, 01:44 AM	#18
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by TheDeuce Guys, Brown is coming off a season-long injury in which his team played better when he wasn't there. Doesn't exactly scream first-round draft pick to me. the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team The national media ragged on Bushrod a lot last year because he had a couple of bad games, but point is, the Saints gave up very few sacks and Bushrod actually did pretty well. He's not an elite tackle, but definitely a good one. in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs.... bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs...... see the difference?
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04-15-2010, 02:00 AM	#19
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,017	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by CantonLegend the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs.... bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs...... see the difference? I know you're down on Bushrod but how uch do you think could be accredited to it being his first season as a starter and do you see rome for improvement? From watching him this season I feel he has the physical tools to do it. I lik ehim in runblocking but he needs to improve his footwork and "sit down" more when passblocking, IMHO. What I mean is trading Brown if Bushrod doesn't get better would be unwise but with the coaches we have i expect him to improve.

04-15-2010, 02:09 AM	#20
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by Crusader I know you're down on Bushrod but how uch do you think could be accredited to it being his first season as a starter and do you see rome for improvement? From watching him this season I feel he has the physical tools to do it. I lik ehim in runblocking but he needs to improve his footwork and "sit down" more when passblocking, IMHO. What I mean is trading Brown if Bushrod doesn't get better would be unwise but with the coaches we have i expect him to improve. do i hope he can improve...yes......do i think he can improve?......i dont know hes been in the league for 3 years and has done a lot of nothing....he has disappointed sean payton and its very publicized that payton was down on bushrod IMO bushrods biggest weakness is his drop step he drops back way too far when he pass blocks and stands up too straight when makin up for the ground he covered the DEs are allowed too much room for movement before he initiates contact and like you said, he needs to sit a little more and not play so freaking high im down on him because of his pass blocking.....although ive seen him blow a few assignments while run blocking the difference with run blocking is that he can initiate contact immediately and can use his size and power to overwhelm defenders the problem with him is when he drop steps he cant recover and that is usually only in pass blocking situations
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