Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???

CantonLegend · 04-15-2010, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I know you're down on Bushrod but how uch do you think could be accredited to it being his first season as a starter and do you see rome for improvement?

From watching him this season I feel he has the physical tools to do it. I lik ehim in runblocking but he needs to improve his footwork and "sit down" more when passblocking, IMHO.

What I mean is trading Brown if Bushrod doesn't get better would be unwise but with the coaches we have i expect him to improve.

do i hope he can improve...yes......do i think he can improve?......i dont know

hes been in the league for 3 years and has done a lot of nothing....he has disappointed sean payton and its very publicized that payton was down on bushrod

IMO bushrods biggest weakness is his drop step

he drops back way too far when he pass blocks and stands up too straight when makin up for the ground he covered

the DEs are allowed too much room for movement before he initiates contact and like you said, he needs to sit a little more and not play so freaking high

im down on him because of his pass blocking.....although ive seen him blow a few assignments while run blocking

the difference with run blocking is that he can initiate contact immediately and can use his size and power to overwhelm defenders

the problem with him is when he drop steps he cant recover and that is usually only in pass blocking situations

mikesaintfan · 04-15-2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added

but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team

in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help

in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help

brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs....

bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs......

see the difference?

i agree...i think with brown in at lt, we are just better...and he rarely gets help..together with nicks thats one strong side of the line...and the other side was pro-bowlers

Tobias-Reiper · 04-16-2010, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added

but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team

in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help

in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help

brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs....

bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs......

see the difference?

Define "significantly"

.. on the other hand, the Saints still fielded the #1 offense, setting a franchise record in scoring, and ending 5th? in rushing offense...

2 games in 2009, the Dallas game and the Miami game, really skew the stats since the Saints gave up 9 sacks ( 5 and 4) in those two games. The other 14 games, the Saints gave up only 11 sacks.

CantonLegend · 04-16-2010, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Define "significantly"

.. on the other hand, the Saints still fielded the #1 offense, setting a franchise record in scoring, and ending 5th? in rushing offense...

2 games in 2009, the Dallas game and the Miami game, really skew the stats since the Saints gave up 9 sacks ( 5 and 4) in those two games. The other 14 games, the Saints gave up only 11 sacks.

significantly meaning drastically, considerably, substantially

the saints also fielded the #1 offense with brown.....but now you are talking about the team......not the position.....you cant switch it up like that

if you wanna talk about the team, thats fine....but lets talk about the position eh?

the rushing offense was 5th.....PT had 20 more carries than in '08......lynell hamilton had 35 more carries than in '08......mike bell had 160 more carries than in '08

the difference in our rushin offense was commitment.....NOT BUSHROD

bushrod gave up 2 sacks to demarcus ware in the dallas game.....which means he gave up 6 more the rest of the season......more than a third of the total sacks we gave up the rest of the season

strato · 04-14-2010, 11:16 PM

I dont see anymore than a second rd pick as well..but Loomy can work some magic..lol..

SaintPauly · 04-14-2010, 11:16 PM

Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider?

D_it_up · 04-14-2010, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider?

Demarcus Ware. LOL

strato · 04-14-2010, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider?

If you really want to know D.Ware...lol..

VillainAgain · 04-15-2010, 11:54 PM

I know the rules however i will say **** the cowboys. Trade Bushrod keep Brown, how many pro bowl LT's do u have the luxury of adding to an almost complete pro bowl offensive line, getting him back make this unit elite! If Brown is to be moved not to the cowboys, I just hate them they can burn make a move like the patriots do invest in the best possible pick, trade him to a team like detroit or kansas city who needs a LT and would probably give up a deal in our favor take their 2nd this year and their 1st next add to high quality 1st rounders and be 1 step ahead in keeping the ship afloat we're relatively young at all positions so we'll be competitive for a while i dont for see a fire sale or any turmoil happening

jcp026 · 04-16-2010, 07:40 AM

I lake Brown as much as anyone and think we would have been a much better team last year with him, but a 2nd and 5th rounder is a pretty good deal. I'm golding out hope for Haynesworth; maybe for our 3rd and 6th.

04-15-2010, 02:09 AM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by Crusader I know you're down on Bushrod but how uch do you think could be accredited to it being his first season as a starter and do you see rome for improvement? From watching him this season I feel he has the physical tools to do it. I lik ehim in runblocking but he needs to improve his footwork and "sit down" more when passblocking, IMHO. What I mean is trading Brown if Bushrod doesn't get better would be unwise but with the coaches we have i expect him to improve. do i hope he can improve...yes......do i think he can improve?......i dont know hes been in the league for 3 years and has done a lot of nothing....he has disappointed sean payton and its very publicized that payton was down on bushrod IMO bushrods biggest weakness is his drop step he drops back way too far when he pass blocks and stands up too straight when makin up for the ground he covered the DEs are allowed too much room for movement before he initiates contact and like you said, he needs to sit a little more and not play so freaking high im down on him because of his pass blocking.....although ive seen him blow a few assignments while run blocking the difference with run blocking is that he can initiate contact immediately and can use his size and power to overwhelm defenders the problem with him is when he drop steps he cant recover and that is usually only in pass blocking situations
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

04-15-2010, 07:19 AM	#2
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by CantonLegend the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs.... bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs...... see the difference? i agree...i think with brown in at lt, we are just better...and he rarely gets help..together with nicks thats one strong side of the line...and the other side was pro-bowlers

04-16-2010, 06:58 AM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by CantonLegend the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs.... bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs...... see the difference? Define "significantly" .. on the other hand, the Saints still fielded the #1 offense, setting a franchise record in scoring, and ending 5th? in rushing offense... 2 games in 2009, the Dallas game and the Miami game, really skew the stats since the Saints gave up 9 sacks ( 5 and 4) in those two games. The other 14 games, the Saints gave up only 11 sacks.

04-16-2010, 01:07 PM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Define "significantly" .. on the other hand, the Saints still fielded the #1 offense, setting a franchise record in scoring, and ending 5th? in rushing offense... 2 games in 2009, the Dallas game and the Miami game, really skew the stats since the Saints gave up 9 sacks ( 5 and 4) in those two games. The other 14 games, the Saints gave up only 11 sacks. significantly meaning drastically, considerably, substantially the saints also fielded the #1 offense with brown.....but now you are talking about the team......not the position.....you cant switch it up like that if you wanna talk about the team, thats fine....but lets talk about the position eh? the rushing offense was 5th.....PT had 20 more carries than in '08......lynell hamilton had 35 more carries than in '08......mike bell had 160 more carries than in '08 the difference in our rushin offense was commitment.....NOT BUSHROD bushrod gave up 2 sacks to demarcus ware in the dallas game.....which means he gave up 6 more the rest of the season......more than a third of the total sacks we gave up the rest of the season
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

04-14-2010, 11:16 PM	#5
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? I dont see anymore than a second rd pick as well..but Loomy can work some magic..lol..

04-14-2010, 11:16 PM	#6
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider?

04-14-2010, 11:21 PM	#7
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider? Demarcus Ware. LOL

04-14-2010, 11:23 PM	#8
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider? If you really want to know D.Ware...lol..

04-15-2010, 11:54 PM	#9
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? I know the rules however i will say **** the cowboys. Trade Bushrod keep Brown, how many pro bowl LT's do u have the luxury of adding to an almost complete pro bowl offensive line, getting him back make this unit elite! If Brown is to be moved not to the cowboys, I just hate them they can burn make a move like the patriots do invest in the best possible pick, trade him to a team like detroit or kansas city who needs a LT and would probably give up a deal in our favor take their 2nd this year and their 1st next add to high quality 1st rounders and be 1 step ahead in keeping the ship afloat we're relatively young at all positions so we'll be competitive for a while i dont for see a fire sale or any turmoil happening
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04-16-2010, 07:40 AM	#10
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955	Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys??? I lake Brown as much as anyone and think we would have been a much better team last year with him, but a 2nd and 5th rounder is a pretty good deal. I'm golding out hope for Haynesworth; maybe for our 3rd and 6th.
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