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D_it_up 04-23-2010 02:30 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Six people at my house watching the draft tonight and as soon as his name was mentioned, we all were silent and just looked at each other. The first person that spoke said "Who?".

I'm still trying to justify this pick, but I'm starting to wrap my brain around it more, and I completely understand why the Saints chose him after reading up on the guy. I don't think it was necessarily a bad pick, I just don't know if he was the best option.

I still will not doubt Peyton, Loomis, and Co., though. If they feel that Pat Rob was the best option, then I'm on board with it.

Crusader 04-23-2010 02:40 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
This pick should help us improve our passrush too. If the QB don't have anywhere to throw the ball he's a lot mor likely to get sacked.

strato 04-23-2010 02:42 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 220587)
This pick should help us improve our passrush too. If the QB don't have anywhere to throw the ball he's a lot mor likely to get sacked.

Bingo..we can be real agressive in our schemes....

Choupique 04-23-2010 02:46 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1313 (Post 220448)
i do not agree......

How many NFL teams have you coached or front officed into a Super Bowl?

NONE?

Get back to us after you have.

strato 04-23-2010 02:50 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 220590)
How many NFL teams have you coached or front officed into a Super Bowl?

NONE?

Get back to us after you have.

Choupique..can i ask you something?...why are you intent on being such a hardass?...what is your problem....You need to just chill dude...you dont know anymore than anybody else....

breesfan27 04-23-2010 02:56 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 220488)
And here's to you, Mr. Robinson, Breesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo) :-D

Tee hee hee! I am stealing this JSYK! :p

SaintGup 04-23-2010 02:58 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by breesfan27 (Post 220515)
I'm not sure about this. Mainly because I have no idea who the hell he is!

Me too. But there seems to be a lot of people not happy with this pick. I for one will trust the Saints organisation to do what they think is best for the team. To be honest, I think picks are never a sure fire thing anyway. Someone who is not considered a talent will be picked in the later rounds or be undrafted and become a player to respect (Colston, Thomas) whereas top picks (Leaf, A. Smith) will disappear from the NFL. Obviously, there is talent that will translate well from College to Pros but it doesn't always pan out like that.

breesfan27 04-23-2010 03:09 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
I trust Mr. Loomis and Coach Payton. They obviously see something in Robinson that most of us don't. I still don't have a clue who he is, even after doing research on him, mainly because I don't follow College football. I do hope he can prove his worth next season. I'm anxious to see him on the field in Black and Gold.

strato 04-23-2010 03:16 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by breesfan27 (Post 220595)
I trust Mr. Loomis and Coach Payton. They obviously see something in Robinson that most of us don't. I still don't have a clue who he is, even after doing research on him, mainly because I don't follow College football. I do hope he can prove his worth next season. I'm anxious to see him on the field in Black and Gold.

He will...good solid player...our new Mike McKenzie

Crusader 04-23-2010 03:27 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 220592)
Choupique..can i ask you something?...why are you intent on being such a hardass?...what is your problem....You need to just chill dude...you dont know anymore than anybody else....

+1

SaintPauly 04-23-2010 04:03 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
I just think, that after the year we just had, we should put our faith into our coaching staff, and front office. They obviously know what they are doing, or we woulldn't be superbowl champs. I like the pick.

falconhater 04-23-2010 07:14 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 220586)
Six people at my house watching the draft tonight and as soon as his name was mentioned, we all were silent and just looked at each other. The first person that spoke said "Who?".

I'm still trying to justify this pick, but I'm starting to wrap my brain around it more, and I completely understand why the Saints chose him after reading up on the guy. I don't think it was necessarily a bad pick, I just don't know if he was the best option.

I still will not doubt Peyton, Loomis, and Co., though. If they feel that Pat Rob was the best option, then I'm on board with it.

I remember looking at my dad a few years ago after a draft pick all be it later in the rounds and saying Who from Where?

The answer : Colston , From Hofstra. We find gems where others dont look.
I dont like the pick but am working hard to convince myself. We do need corners probably the biggest need area on our team.

jcp026 04-23-2010 07:31 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Looks like Sharper won't be back. With all of the needs at LB and DT, I don't see how we could pass on Sergio Kindle (couldn't believe he was still there), Brian Price, or even Terrance Cody. I'd be willing to trade next year's 1st rounder to move up for Kindle and take Cam Thomas with our 2nd rounder. We'd be set.

falconhater 04-23-2010 07:43 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 220454)
mike mayock talked up his footwork

said he has the best feet of any DB in the draft

Yeah but I heard Mayock make that Statement about Haden when he was picked at 7, then repeat it about Kyle wilson at 29. I think he ran out of things to say. He also said Robinson never played the same week to week!

FatCitySaint 04-23-2010 07:58 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
No way any one on this board can say this was a good pick with Kindle and Griffin still on the board!!!! This is stupid...I just woke up...and i'm still as pissed as when i went to bed!!!!!

If Kindle turns out to be what he should... We got duped!!!!!:doh:

stockman311 04-23-2010 08:44 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Can't teach speed. Kid is FAST. Our offense puts up 30+ points per game. That's not going to change. Teams have to pass the ball to try and keep up. Good luck with that now. Robinson has shut down written all over him.

By the way Mel Kiper has a second round mock out now. Here's who he has us taking in the second round:


New Orleans Saints Nate Allen, S, South Florida
Depth to replace likely-departed Darren Sharper.

Scouts Inc has us selecting the following:

32 (64) New Orleans Saints Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State

31 (95) New Orleans Saints Greg Hardy DE Mississippi

AsylumGuido 04-23-2010 08:44 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
I absolutely love this pick. Cornerback is the hardest to fill position in the NFL. We were getting smoked when Porter and Greer were out. The cornerback is the most vital position in the Gregg Williams defensive scheme. There is a reason why five CB's went in the first round.

falconhater 04-23-2010 08:45 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Mel Kipper is a... hold on here it comes.... DOUCHEBAG!!!

stockman311 04-23-2010 08:47 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Don't know who Mel Kipper is but he sounds like a douchebag to me as well.

Srgt. Hulka 04-23-2010 08:56 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by falconhater (Post 220659)
Mel Kipper is a... hold on here it comes.... DOUCHEBAG!!!

http://www.politicalbyline.com/wp-co...doh-square.jpg

D_it_up 04-23-2010 09:22 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by falconhater (Post 220633)
I remember looking at my dad a few years ago after a draft pick all be it later in the rounds and saying Who from Where?

The answer : Colston , From Hofstra. We find gems where others dont look.
I dont like the pick but am working hard to convince myself. We do need corners probably the biggest need area on our team.

I was the same way with Colston, but the major difference there is that he was a 7th round pick. Most people wouldn't know who he was. Robinson is different, because he is a first rounder. I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but I guess I'm just confused because the guy wasn't really a name that you heard much about. The front office still has my trust, however, and I accept anything they decide to do.

DABIGEASY 04-23-2010 09:23 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
I would have thought that we would take a linebacker first.

D_it_up 04-23-2010 09:24 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 220590)
How many NFL teams have you coached or front officed into a Super Bowl?

NONE?

Get back to us after you have.

You are STILL here?

stockman311 04-23-2010 09:28 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Draft Capsule: Patrick Robinson - ESPN Video - ESPN

Classified as Boom or Bust in this video. I think Gregg Williams can "motivate" him properly. LOL.

D_it_up 04-23-2010 09:33 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 220683)
I think Gregg Williams can "motivate" him properly. LOL.

Agreed. If anyone can keep him focused, GW can.

boonedocksaint 04-23-2010 09:36 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
remember all the years we were pissed they werent drafting corners in the first round???

now we are sooooo deep at the position. is there really much of a doubt that those secondary problems we had in the past, just that...in the past?

falconhater 04-23-2010 09:40 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boonedocksaint (Post 220688)
remember all the years we were pissed they werent drafting corners in the first round???

now we are sooooo deep at the position. is there really much of a doubt that those secondary problems we had in the past, just that...in the past?

Actually i may be wrong but I dont see us as deep at corner... when Greer and Porter went down we struggled had to bring in people off the street to stay competitive...ie mckenzie and mcCallister. We are deep as all get out at Saftey,,, Harper Sharper, Jenkins, Young,

strato 04-23-2010 09:47 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by falconhater (Post 220689)
Actually i may be wrong but I dont see us as deep at corner... when Greer and Porter went down we struggled had to bring in people off the street to stay competitive...ie mckenzie and mcCallister. We are deep as all get out at Saftey,,, Harper Sharper, Jenkins, Young,

LOl...im getting a kick out of watching everyone squirm....this the best Saints backfield i have everseen...just wait till after the draft till we make our opinions seem like they really matter...

D_it_up 04-23-2010 09:49 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by falconhater (Post 220689)
Actually i may be wrong but I dont see us as deep at corner... when Greer and Porter went down we struggled had to bring in people off the street to stay competitive...ie mckenzie and mcCallister. We are deep as all get out at Saftey,,, Harper Sharper, Jenkins, Young,

I think he is talking about being deep now. Last year, when Greer and Porter were out, so was Leigh Torrance. That pretty much left Gay and Jenkins as the only two corners, so signing guys at the position off the street had to be done. With the addition of Robinson, this gives the Saints a little more leverage in case the injury bug bites again this season, God forbid.

Srgt. Hulka 04-23-2010 09:49 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 220592)
Choupique..can i ask you something?...why are you intent on being such a hardass?...what is your problem....You need to just chill dude...you dont know anymore than anybody else....

Add 1 from me also. LOL

falconhater 04-23-2010 09:51 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 220695)
LOl...im getting a kick out of watching everyone squirm....this the best Saints backfield i have everseen...just wait till after the draft till we make our opinions seem like they really matter...

Yeah the fun thing right now is We are the World Champs. we might have holes in our game but they are small holes . its like trying to upgrade a Bentley...you just Add more Leather. Its all good. all this talking here and all i here is WHO DAT!!!! and of course the WHAAAASSS WHAASSS from the minny fans!!!

AsylumGuido 04-23-2010 09:52 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 220695)
LOl...im getting a kick out of watching everyone squirm....this the best Saints backfield i have everseen...just wait till after the draft till we make our opinions seem like they really matter...

I agree. I am loving this backfield. As long as you have solid coverage in the secondary you can throw warm bodies in at LB and still be effective.

boonedocksaint 04-23-2010 09:54 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
ok. maybe i put one too many "o's" on that "sooooo." i mean to say we're very deep in the secondary now. you also forgot gay (who im not crazy about) and vaughn. and of course, jenkins is still a corner.

i feel robinson is a guy who can start in the nickel, or fill in nicely IF (i dont wanna say when) porter or greer go down.

strato 04-23-2010 09:55 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 220701)
I agree. I am loving this backfield. As long as you have solid coverage in the secondary you can throw warm bodies in at LB and still be effective.

True...but i think there are some good ones coming up here to choose from...I like how Bill Billacheat drafts..trade out of the first ..and get more picks and get football players ,,,not overhyped millionaires to be...

stockman311 04-23-2010 09:57 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
I know I said WHO? WHERE? when the Saints drafted a guy named Tracy Porter out of Indiana with the 40th pick in Round 2 of the 2008 draft. How did that pick work out for us?

This kid was picked in pretty much the same range, which leads me to believe that Loomis and Payton see him as a Porter clone. Porter - 5'11" 186 lbs 23 years old. Patrick Robinson - 5'11 1/4" 190 lbs 22 years old.

AsylumGuido 04-23-2010 10:01 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 220703)
True...but i think there are some good ones coming up here to choose from...I like how Bill Billacheat drafts..trade out of the first ..and get more picks and get football players ,,,not overhyped millionaires to be...

Yup. There are some good ones coming up. But, there are also some good DT's coming up and we are in need of help there.

stockman311 04-23-2010 10:41 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
I have also said from the day we drafted Malcolm Jenkins that he is a FS not a corner because he lacks elite speed. I think we just upgraded two spots with one pick.

lumm0x 04-23-2010 10:48 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
In this league it is seldom teams have the luxury of having a great pass rush as well as a blanket secondary. The two schools of thought are you can either get pressure with 4 and support a suspect coverage unit or you can man up in the secondary and blitz to achieve the pressure. I think that is the focus of Gregg Williams' scheme and that makes this pick make sense.

I knew this pick would be love/hate no matter who we took. All fans have different thoughts on the biggest need. I think the Saints found a pretty raw and athletic guy who they think they can turn into a solid tool for the secondary. We really were exposed last year when Porter and Greer went down. And I fully agree this is already the best and deepest secondary in the history of the team. It is much easier to find linebackers who can attack the passer and stop the run now. A great secondary can offset linebackers who are liabilities in coverage and can be allowed to focus forward only.

I am more than okay with the selection. Had we taken a WR or TE I'd be much upset.

AsylumGuido 04-23-2010 10:54 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 220754)
In this league it is seldom teams have the luxury of having a great pass rush as well as a blanket secondary. The two schools of thought are you can either get pressure with 4 and support a suspect coverage unit or you can man up in the secondary and blitz to achieve the pressure. I think that is the focus of Gregg Williams' scheme and that makes this pick make sense.

I knew this pick would be love/hate no matter who we took. All fans have different thoughts on the biggest need. I think the Saints found a pretty raw and athletic guy who they think they can turn into a solid tool for the secondary. We really were exposed last year when Porter and Greer went down. And I fully agree this is already the best and deepest secondary in the history of the team. It is much easier to find linebackers who can attack the passer and stop the run now. A great secondary can offset linebackers who are liabilities in coverage and can be allowed to focus forward only.

I am more than okay with the selection. Had we taken a WR or TE I'd be much upset.

Excellent post! I agree completely.

mikesaintfan 04-23-2010 11:18 AM

Re: Patrick Robinson
 
i thinki head on sirius that Sergio Kindle may need microfracture surgery on his knee....my daughter was cying so i could have miss-heard


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