Yes you did...

"It's not that complicated and y'all are being too sensitive. We are overpaying for Bush and can't afford the much needed and worth it Sharper.... why is it tragic to compare the two together? I just can't stand reading about salary limits preventing Sharpers return, knowing how much Reggie is robbing the saints for..... don't know how y'all can, but that's you .....sometimes, ignorance is bliss!"

HintOfLogic 04-09-2010, 04:11 PM

I've re-read what I posted, quoted about half a dozen times..... not only are you paraphrasing, or chopping a small snippet of my whole, large argument out, but even still.... it just reiterates my point you questioned in the first place:

"..... I complained that it makes no sense that the majority of posters were getting vocal and opinionated about Sharper wanting "too much" money along with what "they" thought was too much. I found it hypocritical (at the least) that all of the concerns for money vs. value when Reggie is set to be the highest paid RB in the NFL. And I questioned, would resigning Sharper be such a big deal if Reggie wasn't such a hit on the wallet?"

My point was PLAIN AND SIMPLE, I couldn't stand hearing all the B&G knowledgeable.... popping up with their concerns for how much money the (int leading, HOF headed, pro-bowl) safety Sharper was seeking meanwhile the very same vocal people are and were deliberately disconcerned with the fact that Reggie Bush (proven limited) was set to be the highest paid RB and even highest paid Saint.

I ASSURE YOU, If I thought that Reggie's salary was an final hindrance to Sharper getting resigned.... I would have come right out and said it. Do I not seem direct enough to you? My point was with unnecessary vocal concerns for money for one guy, but blatant lack of concern for the next guys.... you know that! But thanks for reading my post anyways

I wasn't paraphrasing anything to make a point. You asked if you had made that statement, thereby implying you hadn't. I just pointed out that you did. That is about as simple as it gets. And whatever your original point was you tried to prove it by saying Reggie's contract had an impact on us signing Sharper. Not only was there no evidence to support this, there was actually evidence to disprove it.

If some people here made comments about what Sharper was or wasn't worth it was because of one main reason....he wasn't under contract and was seeking to sign a deal. With his statements about not feeling the love and wanting a franchise tag he opened himself to debate about what he was worth. Apparently most of the other teams in the NFL agreed with the Saints as he re-signed with us for far less than the franchise tag offer amount he was seeking.

This is in contrast to two other players from last year. Grant and Bush. Both were still under contract at the end of the season. This was very different from Sharper's situation. The FO decided that Grant was not worth what he was scheduled to make. He was therefore released. The FO decided Bush was worth what he was scheduled to make. So, they decided to retain him for next season.

If you disagree with this decision that's fine. It's a valid opinion. But to act like it is blatantly obvious that he is making too much money and that anyone who does not agree with this is blind is amazingly arrogant. It is basically saying that your opinion is better than that of other fans here and it is better than the people making the personnel decisions for the Saints (the people who decided to pay him the money this year and lead us to the SB last year). If you really believe this, then I urge you to apply for a job in the NFL. I know the Raiders could use your help.

It's been said before, but Bush's salary was pretty much determined by his draft position. So harping on his money is a moot point. A better question regarding him is weather he should have been drafted where he was; not is he making too much. For all who want to say it was a terrible pick, just remember that there are recent picks out there that have been much worse (the two QBs picked by the Bay Area California teams come to mind quickly.)

As far as PT goes, because the thread title is about him I will mention his name and that I am very glad that he was on the team last year and I hope he is on the team for a long time.

If some people here made comments about what Sharper was or wasn't worth it was because of one main reason....he wasn't under contract and was seeking to sign a deal. With his statements about not feeling the love and wanting a franchise tag he opened himself to debate about what he was worth. Apparently most of the other teams in the NFL agreed with the Saints as he re-signed with us for far less than the franchise tag offer amount he was seeking.

The point being.... I got pissed that everyone started getting vocal and became negotiators in regards to Sharper's return and at what cost. Everyone thought he wanted too much. A majority took the offensive, stating he can just walk (stupid Saints fans, whatever). The point AGAIN.... everyone CARED about Sharper in DIRECT regards to MONEY. That's it, Sharper and money.

First off, we are an unarguably better team with Sharper. I am not the type to get directly critical about dollar amounts. I wanted... needed Sharper back. I could give a f*** at what cost it took.

I dropped in to remind people how silly (and hypocritical) it is to talk chump change about our best defensive player when Benson is just funneling money to Reggie's account. Point being, apparently Benson's spending, so why loose a HOF'er, post one of his best years due to haggling when we see that he's capable of writing big checks.... not to mention, the pure hypocrisy of over-concern with Sharpers dollars with lack of concern for Bush when (at least the slightly more knowledgeable) know that contracts can change year to year regardless.

You can't just tell me that Bush's contract is pre-arranged so we can't care / comment.... yet, Sharper is in negotiation so it's fair to talk CHEAP!.... because to me, that's exactly what you're saying. It's not limited to that and you know this.... Just like Grant, sh!t changes. Also, you can't tell me that we know that there hasn't been silent agreements and restructuring behind closed doors with Bush to come back for less.... it'd be in both's best interest and in both's best interest to remain discrete.

I agree with a lot of your points in regards to milking high draft contracts and all of that..... I get that, and you know that, and you're a sharp guy.... and know, I understand this....

But, with everyone expressing disgust at Sharpers attempt at financial gain, or "cashing in" (which BTW, EVERY PLAYER DOES these days), meanwhile dismissing any concern with wanting to see Bush "Restructure" for fair dollars based on his production.... was not only ignorant, but football ignorant favoritism.... and in my view star-struck, jaded and not best for the team.... and yes, my arrogant opinion. Arrogant because I can't see it any other way.... and until you can convince me why everyone popping up saying "Sharper's not worth X amount of dollars" and getting personally concerned with what he seeks financially, yet not the least concerned with seeing Bush's contract restructured

and you can spare me the "what the FO thinks who just won a Superbowl, vs. what you think... so you must be wrong" cr@p... because 1. you know as well as I that the concern to retain Reggie lies just as much in his marketing and moral investment value as it does his production.... and 2. It was me, all along saying Pierre "Is our Guy" and just make him the man.... this formula is how we had a SB winning season. Look at the stats... look at Reggie's stats... NOTICE: Reggies touches have steadily declined to an all time low up through last year... OUR SB winning season. Yes, less Reggie, more PT = SB winning season. I've BEEN saying this whilst the all knowing and ever crowd pleasing "FO and Sean Payton" have been wasting drives trying to let Reggie "transition to the NFL" forcing him to be the featured back.

but in all, my jab at the Sharper dollars debate was fueled by the frustration that set me off at how quick the B&G nation could turn on a player like Sharper!!!!!

The point being.... I got pissed that everyone started getting vocal and became negotiators in regards to Sharper's return and at what cost. Everyone thought he wanted too much.

First off, we are an unarguably better team with Sharper. I am not the type to get directly critical about dollar amounts. I wanted... needed Sharper back. I could give a f*** at what cost it took.

and you can spare me the "what the FO thinks who just won a Superbowl, vs. what you think... so you must be wrong" cr@p

I dropped in to remind people how silly (and hypocritical) it is to talk chump change about our best defensive player when Benson is just funneling money to Reggie's account.

You can't just tell me that Bush's contract is pre-arranged so we can't care / comment.... yet, Sharper is in negotiation so it's fair to talk CHEAP!.... because to me, that's exactly what you're saying. It's not limited to that and you know this.... Just like Grant, sh!t changes. Also, you can't tell me that we know that there hasn't been silent agreements and restructuring behind closed doors with Bush to come back for less.... it'd be in both's best interest and in both's best interest to remain discrete.

but in all, my jab at the Sharper dollars debate was fueled by the frustration that set me off at how quick the B&G nation could turn on a player like Sharper!!!!!

When Reggie was on the board to be drafted, I told my sis-in-law that I would no longer be a Saint fan if they passed on him.