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Really SF. Now you just look sad.

Bitter? What a laugh. You are the one who has thrown out the hate talk. Try looking in the mirror. I guess having your arguments crushed would do that to you.

Hmm, lets see. Having a player contibute to our team for 5 years and be our leading passer (Brooks) is more valuable than a guy who contributes for 3 (Everett). Are you really going to argue against that?

Hmm lets see, I never mentioned a free agent. But JE was a Pro Bowl QB for the Rams and beat us many times as a Ram. His best days as a QB were for the Rams and he built his legacy as a Ram. He then came over to us to finish his career. Contrast (go aheah and look that up in a dictionary) this to Brooks who was not a starter for another team before us. He never beat us as a memeber of another team. His best days as a QB were not as a member of another team. Try to put two and two togeather from here and figure out why this makes Brooks more important as a saint then JE. You may need to pull your socks off and use your toes, but that's OK.

The third one is a little trickier, but I'll walk you through it. If Blake does not get hurt in week 12, then Brooks does not get to sub for him in 2000. If he does not sub for him, then he does not play in the 2000 playoffs. If he does not play in the game, then he does not get to help the team win the game. If he does not help win the game, he may not be given the chance to be our starting QB for the next 5 seasons. So it was fortunate (i.e. Lucky...as in lucked out) that he even got to play in the playoff game that you are so anxious to anoint him into our HOF for winning. If you try and think about it rather than simply insult it's not that tough.

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I wouldn't call him mediocre either, not by a very long shot. Can you image what he might have done had he played when we had the Dome Patrol running around? Back when we could never get past the 49ers?

I do wonder though about his potential too. With a better line around him and a group of WR's like we have now, how might things have been different for him?

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Well since Brooks played more but had similar numbers across the board, you'd think you would have jumped on that right away, but you didn't, because you know better. If Brees retired right now would you say Brooks was more valuable - laughing - because he played more - laughing louder - seriously? See how much sense that doesn't make. I bet you do...

And yet there are people in our HOF and every HOF that played for different teams. Delhomme played for us before doing rather well for a while at Carolina. You think the Panther fans cared? You think Sharper or Shockey or even Brees, who all played for other teams...Vilma maybe, you think those guys would be welcome in our hall in spite of their affiliation with other teams? You really think that matters. Man that's a joke and you know it. Then again maybe you don't know it. The simple things appear to evade you.

Yeah, Tricky...cause it doesn't make any sense, so yeah, trying to make sense of it IS pretty tricky. Hey look, we agree again! LMAO

The question was Brooks was more important, in ALL CAPS as you typed it, than Everette because...

So lets try and make sense out of it answering in a complete sentence just like they taught us in grade school...one, two, three...

Aaron Brooks was more important than Jim Everett to the Saints because Jeff Blake got hurt. --Dude that's just stupid

Aaron Brooks was more important than Jim Everett to the Saints because he never played for another team, even though our BEST QB ever DID play for another team. Ig-No-Rant

Aaron Brooks was more important than Jim Everett to the Saints because he played there longer. That 'almost' makes sense, until you think about how important a player can be in a very short time span. Then you see just how silly that statement really is. See Darren Sharper if you need help grasping this very simple idea...or Shockey...or Vilma...or...oh jeesh this is just too darn easy...

Nice try tho...

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[quote=saintfan;229415] [quote=SAINT_MICHAEL;229413]Really SF. Now you just look sad.

Bitter? What a laugh. You are the one who has thrown out the hate talk. Try looking in the mirror. I guess having your arguments crushed would do that to you.

Nice job hypocrite. You get all bent out of shape and accuse me of twisting your words, then go and make a comment like this. Way to hold others to a standard you won't hold yourself to. But to humor you I'll play along. If Brees retired right now after helping us win our first SB, I think that would outway that he did not play as many games for us as Brooks. Couple that with his average game stats vs Brooks (and JE) and even you should be able to see that. But if he (like JE), had only played for us for three seasons and lead us to no playoff wins, then I would say Brooks was more important. So what (If you even have one) is your point here?

You really think that is a like comparrison? Jake played 6 games for us....SIX! Brees has now QBd us for more games than he did the Chargers....and won a SB. Vilma is similar, not because he has played more games with us, but because his career in NY was not outstanding and he has now won a SB with us. Possibly...POSSIBLY I would put in Shockey and Sharper, but they have two things that Brooks did not. A SB victory and the fire to be a winner. Notice how you never hear people question Shockey's and Sharper's desire to win like they do Brooks'. JE was the Rams starting QB for over seven SEASONS and is STILL their all time passing yardage leader. Simple things evade me, huh? If you can't see this difference then you are an idiot.

We agree you can't handle simple concepts...sure

First, of all, it wasn't a question. It was a statement, not a question Mr Wizzard. Another simple concept you have missed. And the statement (you typed it first) was ""Aaron Brooks and Jim Everett were statistically similar QB's for the New Orleans Saints, and yet Aaron Brooks was MORE IMPORTANT to the franchise, and here's why..."


You mean just like where they didn't teach you the difference between a question and a statement?


No, it's not really stupid. It was just too deep for you to see. But it gave you a chance to twist things like you love to accuse me of doing. True, it would have been more accurate of me to say...Because of an injury to our current starting QB, Brooks was able to step into a good situation for him and be part of the team that won our first playoff game. As a result of this game (which he was able to play in beacuse of the injury) he got the chance to be our starting QB the next year and for several seasons more. Therefore, because he played in more games and won more games as a Saint then did JE, he was moe important to the history of our franchise. sorry if you could not connect the dots to get here. Must have tought you guys about connect the dots the same day they taught about the difference between a statement and a question.

Ahh again, the old double stadard from you. pick out an example that fits your argument, but freak out when I do it. The comparrison was not about Brees, so apples and oranges. Was Brees the all time leading passer for a division rival (or the Chargersfor that matter) like JE is for the Rams? Did Drew make a name for himself in the recordbooks of another team before coming here like JE did withthe Rams. It's kinda hard to say someone is important to your franchise when he is the record holder for a historic division rival. In my comparrison of JE and AB (not in your "twisting" by adding Brees) it makes perfect sense to say Brooks is more historically significant to the Saints then JE because Brooks built his "legacy" WITH THE SAINTS and JE BUILT IT ELSEWHERE. If you can't see that, then you are the ignorant one.

You might have a point here if this mini-discussion was not directly about JE vs AB. Unfortunately for you it is so try and stay on yopic please. Throwing Sharper is a reach for you, but comparing that Brooks played in roughly twice as many games for us than Je it makes sense to say he was more important on that alone.

Yours was not a nice try. It was lame.

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I'm not bent out of shape in the least, but you did twist my words. What if Brees hadn't won our first Super Bowl...what if he retired last year? Does winning a Super Bowl become a requirement for our HOF? Of course it doesn't...and NOW we're back to the stats? Those that don't really matter in light of community service and dedication and desire and leadership? My point is clear, I think, to probably everyone but you, which is that although Everett's numbers were on par with Brooks, and considering he played fewer years, you might think he did more in a smaller window...and...lo and behold that is precisely how math works huh? And yet you missed that...probably more like ignored it, because you Everett argument blew up in your face shortly after you posted it. LMAO



Brooks=Pete Rose? You wanna talk to me about like comparisons? I'm poking holes in your statements at every turn. What then, since I missed your point, is the cut off? How many games must it be, or seasons, or are we talking quarters? Must the player have been outstanding on the other team now too? You kinda blew right past Sharper and Shockey (and I would too if I was you cause, well, there goes your silly argument right there). You can't just change the rules every time I show you how ignorant your statement are, and with examples nonetheless. Keep reaching.

Now your arguing English with me? That'd be a mistake. I am well aware of the difference between a statement and a question, and I'm also well aware of who typed what first, just as I am well aware of the general ignorance of your response, which I have shown here at least twice. You wanna talk on topic or would you like me to grade your next essay? I can do either equally well...;)


Sorry. It's stupid. Brooks was more important than Everett for a lot of reasons, but Blake's injury isn't one of them. It is, the dumbest thing I've seen in a LONG time. Blake's injury was how Brooks got into the lineup, but it doesn't provide any evidence as to why he was more important to the team than any other player. Sorry man...that's just stupid...We're talking about Brooks and Everette and you bring up Blake? The more I think about it the dumber it sounds.



So now the player from the other team has to be that teams statistical leader in something before your argument kicks in? LOL I'm not freaking out, I'm LMAO. It is really that hard to say Sharper is important? I could look it up, but I'm fairly sure he's got some Vikings records. Sharper didn't build his legacy in New Orleans, so I guess he's not that important. There are TONS of other players that I could use as examples, on our team and on just about any other. Friend, the quickest way out of a hole is to stop digging, and you should put the shovel down.


Sharper and Shockey and Vilma and just about any other player that came here from somewhere else and did well are very good examples of why your argument here is dumb.


Lets condense, shall we?

Leadership: Questionable. This is where we agree. However, I've always argued that being a great leader is not a requirement, and certainly history proves that, so at the very least we agree that Brooks was not the greatest natural leader.

Determination/Desire: I submit that growing up poor in Virginia amidst the same people and elements that put Mike Vick in his predicament, Getting a degree in Anthropology, becoming a starting NFL QB, winning our first playoff game...I don't think a person just lucks in to that. Talent helps, and he surely had talent, but he didn't just bliss out and wake up one day having done what he has done. Feel free to disagree, but provide some proof beyond the fact that you don't like his smile.

Stats: Even you agree he has the numbers.

Community: Although I think you were legitimately surprised to learn of Brooks' involvement with kids in New Orleans and elsewhere, I think you'll have to either check this one of on the positive or find something to solidify your position short of comparing him with Brees, since there are lots of players less charitable than Drew in the Saints HOF.

What else you got? You wanna say that we shouldn't put him in because we don't have a very good history of having great players? I suggest the NFL doesn't look at it's HOF and say, "You know, we better not put player X in the HOF because someone better might come along." Instead you look at what a player did, stats, wins, meaningful wins, etc, and if you want to look at his community involvement then fine, you judge that player on those things. You don't take the best player a team ever had and hold every one to that standard. You don't require that he only played for your franchise. You don't say, "Well, he has to have played x number of years for your franchise." He doesn't have to have set NFL records. Lots of people here think the playoff win alone is justification. You clearly do not. That's ok, but with you it's a moving target with more stipulations than a government loan.
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It could have been good..now:givemebeer: ...lol..

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The only reason I brought up the record is because someone said Brooks was a much better QB. He had more talent than Delhomme there is no argument there but he didn't utilize it. Brooks was the classic case of an underachiever as compared to Delhomme whom is an overachiever. And I'll take someone who gives his 100% all the time as to a person who plays halfass. With that said, my opinion is still that I don't think he deserves to be in the SHOF, but again that is my opinion and if my opinion was always right I'd probably be working a different job. By the way it is 3months till Kickoff, WHODAT!!!!!!!!:bng:

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There was definitely a cry for Delhomme...but it wasn't a local boy, fan favorite thing, IMO. It was that AB started stinking the joint-up, game after game...and probably some of it was due to injuries. For some reason they would no get him off the field when he could hardly throw a pass. That's why they wanted to see Jake. They didn't want to see melt-down after melt-down at the end of the season, which is what happened following the 2000 season.

I will admit to some of it being the local boy thing, and if I'm not mistaken, Jake was a prodigy (is that the right word) of Archie. It did play into it, but I'm contending that I was right there and it had nothing to do with my loyalty to Jake and everything to do with what was going on on the field and the desire to make a change of any sort that might get us that one extra win that we needed to get into the playoffs.

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Again, Brooks had the best Career a Saints Qb had prior to Brees comming to town. Jake a prodigy of Archie is dead on Both Threw outrageous amounts of INTERCEPTIONS so jake must have been a good student. Who had a better career Marc Bulger or Rex Grossman????(your answer)______ _________ But Rex got to the Super Bowl, see how foolish that sounds? Super Bowll's are awesome thats why you play the game, but even a Blind Squirrel finds a nut some times

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About as serious as A.B after an INT..oh except for those Jake supporters...lol:doh:

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Probably should let it go but what the hell. There is only 2 INTs that separate Brooks and Delhomme so I guess Brooks also threw an outrageous amount of INTs. Isn't this fun?

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He lost just as many games as he won. Anyone remember that Cinci game withthe playoffs on the line?

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I remember...vaguely...this

2 meltdowns in a row under Haz, Brooks, et al

1 season where we needed just 1 win against 3 straght losing teams and couldn't get it done.

Remember, I said vaguely. I sure wish someone would take the time to give more details, cause now my curiosity is aroused.

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Aaron Brooks Career Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2 years in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Breesus Christ! That's way too many pages on a thread for a dude that really should not even be in the HOT.

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Yeah he will... Hey I had Brooks back.... back in the day He had some good games and I enjoyed watchin him sometimes... even tho that smile he did after a screw up made me soooo mad... He did what he did and give him his due he should be in the Saints HOF....

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I still have not decided. I've been watching this thread since it started, and I tell you what, it's a hard question. It's really a good question too. I remember watching him play and thinking this guy may actually give us a chance, just to be let down yet again and again and again.... So, like everyone here, I have terribly mixed feelings about Brooks. But I felt the same way about Bobby Hebert also.

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You know that's funny. I was thinking about Bobby too. He's a favorite of mine, and I have to confess I've not taken a dive into his numbers or looked into him much, but I always liked him. Hissed me off when he went to Atlanta tho. Is he in for numbers or because he was a fan favorite, or both?

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He pissed a lot of people off, including me. It's bad enough a Saints player goes over to enemy territory, but a Saints quarterback and local boy...thats just not right. And a lot of people still have not forgiven, nor will they ever forgive him for that.

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Eh, I was hissed but I'm over it. Heck, he's gotta make a living. LOL He's just colorful you know? I'd like to bar hop with him. :mrgreen:

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Fine. I guess my verbosity was too much for you to handle. I remember you going off about being offended by someone's racy avatar. It offended your values instilled by Jesus or Zeus or whichever sky goblin you follow. And you were trying to stop people from saying/showing something they liked, I just said I found the notion offensive. Since I'm obviously not going to be able to get past your hypocrisy to reach your reason let me just reduce it to a "screw you" and move on.

Screw you.

And, moving on...



Not really.


So, since other teams have allowed shabby players into their HoF we should too, instead of trying to make it an institution for our GREAT players. You work for the government, don't you?


No, we typically needed to outscore people due to MATHEMATICS! A GOOD defense can allow 3 points a game, and guess what, we still need to outscore the other team to win.


This is why Brooks should not be in. He didn't have ability, he had UNTAPPED potential.

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LOL ...the Memnoch strikes again....

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Obviously you don't know the real SkyMike. Did he pee on your fence?

This thread has FIVE STARS, 182 posts and 2300 views.
At this pace, it will easily break a record. :bng:

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I really don't understand what is offensive about ff's question. Could someone please enlighten me. (not trying to be a jerk here...I really don't get it.) :confused:

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Billy Kilmer is in our HOF. In four seasons the threw 11, 17, 17, and...wait for it...17 interceptions. Do you even KNOW who is in our HOF? Not being #1 does not equal shabby - or did YOUR sky god tell you different? Maybe you need a definition of terms? Then again, I don't really think it's that hard...for most people anyway.

That's the dumbest and probably the most short-sighted antagonistic thing I've read in at least the last 10 posts. Care to guess how many games we won 6-3? Can I get a "DOUCHEBAG" from the congregation? Maybe you can go back and look at the points given up by our Defense while Brooks was here - and get back to me on how many times we allowed 3 points a game. Ignorance is bliss ain't it?


He had the 'ability' to do many things, and did those things quite well, and as the team around him diminished so too did his numbers and the fortunes of those teams. Manning, Kilmer, and Hebert. I wonder if Manning had the potential to do great things only his position on some horrible teams didn't allow for it? That's where you judge Brooks, unless you're just being an :censored:-sucker, which begs the question...If you are so offended by this thread that your drop by everyone's profile and ding them rep, why are you even posting in this thread?

Long Walk. Short Pier. Have a nice :censored:ing day, :censored:tard.

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he would be the first one to tell you man-chea itt twas a bussiness descission. not to hiss off my fans

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On the Saints, not being #1 DOES equal shabby, for the most part.

Also, Billy Kilmer being in shouldn't mean Brooks should get in, it means Kilmer should be kicked out.



Saint Michael is right, you do love answering questions that weren't asked and responding to statements that were not made.

I never said we ever won any games 6-3. "Our defense was so bad we typically had to outscore the other team to win" is a retarded statement. There is NOTHING shortsighted about saying you ALWAYS need to outscore the other team to win. But, if you don't know that, I will take you on your word that ignorance is bliss. You seem to be an expert on the subject of ignorance, so I won't argue that.


Archie was being held back by the incompetence of his teams. AB's teams were being held back by the incompetence of AB.


Because the responses to the subject are interesting. I never said it was so offensive it made my skin crawl and just hearing AB and SHOF in the same sentence was akin to hearing nails on a blackboard. I just said it was offensive.

If you don't like it when people who disagree with you take away Rep points, talk to Halo about it. I didn't put the system in. Don't blame me for that. I didn't make anyone say anything I didn't agree with. If everyone is that worried about a Rep point they should just not post anything at all, and no rep will ever be removed from them.


PS, you get -1 rep for calling me a :censored:-sucker and a :censored:tard.

Not because I care about you calling me names, but because you didn't have the balls to actually call me the names without the censor marks. Some people talk the talk without walking the walk. You can't even talk the talk!

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Well big fella it doesn't work that way. One day, when you own the team, you can kick people OUT of the HOF, only I hope you got more than your argument here so far.

You missed the expression I suppose, which is WIDELY used as a way of saying a given team can't stop anybody. Is this your fist year watching football? The problem here, which is also an issue with SM, is you twist or ignore the obvious as a way to further your own point, which is what, exactly? I mean, we either DID or we DIDN'T have to put up points in buckets because we were generally unable to stop people. You agree with that or you disagree with that? Answer minus the spin, if you can, otherwise have a seat over there somewhere out of everyone's way.

I must have missed all those games where Aaron was playing defense. It's pretty clear to just about anyone who's willing to take an honest look that our defense was the problem - the main reason for those 3, 7, and 8 win seasons. Brooks numbers don't really tell the story you'd like them to tell. You're probably aware of that, and I can recognize that after you show your :censored: in a thread like you have done in this one it's extremely difficult to admit. Don't worry. We know. It's ok.


I could give a crap about rep points. I just thought it was kinda funny that you'd go to so much trouble in a thread that was "SO" offensive to you and yet here you are still...amusing yourself is it? I bet you do a lot of that in your spare time.


I censor because kids (like you - only with better parents I'm starting to think) come here too. Would you like me to PM you with the uncensored names? Would you feel better then? You could take more rep and get a really nice buzz off that too huh? Eh, you can't take more rep can you? You've already done that. You may actually have to devise a real argument now huh? I guess you're pretty much screwed. LMAO

Oh, you're still a :censored:-sucker and a :censored:tard...and you're also an :censored:-hole too. How much minus rep is all that worth?

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:popcorn:

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o....k....
you might want to lay off the hallucinogens, honey. Have you looked at my avatar? Those are called t**s. God invented them. Shut the **** up.

You should take your trollage back to SR, before we vote you off the island.

oh yeah... way to go Foreverfan (Who also Loves hot women) ----

Five Star Thread!!! The People have spoken.
wtf is a "menmnock anyway? I guess I dont watch enough Sci Fi channel...

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Is there something in the water?
Is it the heat?
Are the drugs wearing off?
Are you bored?

Or is it always like this in the summer?




















Sky Goblin???

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A bassist, the Devil, or perhaps a Vampire, take your pic.

The "TP" is clearly for Toilet Paper, although "DB", for douchebag would be equally appropriate.

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I actually thought 'Sky Goblin' was pretty funny...not as good as "Fun Bags", but still one I hadn't heard. It takes all kinds to make a world man, even the crazies must be allowed to have air...until they kill somebody...

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Ya'll some sittin-on-the-sideline-popcorn-eatin sons of :censored:es.

Note the clever use of the 'censored' smiley. Is he smiling? Is he angry? Will he ever reveal his true nature?

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Personally, I was quite offended, comparing Jesus Christ to a sky goblin.
Maybe I need to "Lighten up Francis".

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If ya scared call the law.

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