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foreverfan 06-01-2010 08:51 AM

Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
First Saints QB to win a Playoff game.
First Saints QB to break many of Archie's records.
From 2001-2004 never threw for under 3500 yards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_B...rican_football)

Personally I think he'll make it one day. The guy did put in a few good seasons with Mike McCarthy as OC. When Mike left, the whole Haz regime went down. No doubt Brooks needed Mike McCarthy to be successful.

Like him or hate him, the stats are there and the history was written. So should he one day make the Saints HOF?

strato 06-01-2010 09:09 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Its hard to ignore his stats..and at one time i felt he would lead us to the superbowl..i know Archie is more of a sentimental favorite..but Brooks numbers dont lie...i have to say yes...

73Saint 06-01-2010 09:16 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
No.

Saint_LB 06-01-2010 09:24 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Wow...that is a really good question. My answer is YES. What he did in 2000 was heroic considering where he was in his career when he was called to duty. For me, that tips the scale in his direction.

:) <-------AB

Edit...oops...I meant 2000 :oops:

Sir Psycho Sexy 06-01-2010 09:29 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
I voted yes. Stats are stats.

strato 06-01-2010 09:33 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
And remember who of threw most of those passes to Joe Horn...

foreverfan 06-01-2010 09:34 AM

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73Saint 06-01-2010 09:39 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
I guess the question is should stats alone be the determining factor. Because, in my opinion, smiling after playing lousy football should negate a point, or two.

SmashMouth 06-01-2010 09:42 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Stats don't tell the whole story, as always.

I can't forget the smiley grins after those boneheaded bad interceptions! AB caught lightning in a bottle for an extremely small glimpse in time. Once opposing teams had a chance to study him, he was average at best. And there were enough bad teams in his day to pad the numbers. He was not consistently stellar against elite competition, but rather more of a liability. Breesus has shown us what a HOF QB should look like. HOF'ers usually separate themselves more than what AB showed.

VillainAgain 06-01-2010 09:43 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Like him or not He should and deserves to be, multiple time pro bowl alternate, avg 3500 yds + his time here, the team even back then were a 2ndary away from doing damage the team was competitive up until 2005 ={ Everything considered turn overs shouldnt spoil a solid career give Jerry Fontenot credit for them also that guy always seemed screw up snaps a few times a game . my vote would be Yes

VillainAgain 06-01-2010 09:46 AM

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would you rather have him look like the failcons coach an throw tantrums after TO's ?

papz 06-01-2010 09:53 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
I voted yes. We did have a prolific offense under his helm... it's hard to argue with the numbers he put up. Now had we had a better history of successful quarterbacks in the past to stack him up against, maybe it would be a different story.

Pete 06-01-2010 10:00 AM

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The smiling was ridiculous! The good out weighed the bad for the most part though. Yes

lynwood 06-01-2010 11:02 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Makes me sick to say it but yes. Guess my anger should really be against the coaching staff for not replacing him sooner. So any future vote for Haz in the HOF would be no!

Sir Psycho Sexy 06-01-2010 11:21 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rfenasci (Post 228282)
I guess the question is should stats alone be the determining factor. Because, in my opinion, smiling after playing lousy football should negate a point, or two.

i voted yes but the smiles alone made me get sick to my stomach and angry. i remember thinking this guy doesn't even care about something i care a lot for, why is he here....Haslett.

saintfan 06-01-2010 11:28 AM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 228283)
Stats don't tell the whole story, as always.

I can't forget the smiley grins after those boneheaded bad interceptions! AB caught lightning in a bottle for an extremely small glimpse in time. Once opposing teams had a chance to study him, he was average at best. And there were enough bad teams in his day to pad the numbers. He was not consistently stellar against elite competition, but rather more of a liability. Breesus has shown us what a HOF QB should look like. HOF'ers usually separate themselves more than what AB showed.

I disagree. Brooks had a mediocre offensive line at best, a less-than-stellar WR corp (with one or two exceptions), and a defense that was giving up 30 points a game, not to mention the Delhomme love going on in the dome.

Where might Brooks have taken the team if the Offensive average of 28-30 points a game was getting any backing at all from the defense at the time? The Superbowl? Maybe. Maybe not.

Brooks was a good, not great, but a good QB who annoyed folks with his mannerisms but did a lot of good things, and might have done more with even a mediocre defense.

Personally I'd rather see Brooks smile than watch Delhomme pout, but that's just me. I say put him in.

:bng:

darstep 06-01-2010 11:31 AM

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All the Brooks hate has always rubbed me the wrong way...the boy could throw. He wasn't perfect but he could throw. SaintsHall=YES. One of the few QB's we had who could actually hit someone in stride beyond 17 yards. Mike Mac's exit was mentioned earlier as the end of Brooks, but I say Willie Roaf's exit got him killed. When his blind side came open, he was never the same. And what the %$#@ does smiling have to do with anything? He took things lightly so that he could move on; brush it off so he could line up and take another crack at it. QB's have to have a short memory...on the bad things as well as the good. Give Brooks his proper due.

lynwood 06-01-2010 11:54 AM

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Where is Brooks now if he is so great?

Dammit look what i've started now

saintfan 06-01-2010 11:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lynwood (Post 228321)
Where is Brooks now if he is so great?

Dammit look what i've started now

He's investing in real estate back in VA where he's from last I heard.

strato 06-01-2010 11:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 228326)
He's investing in real estate back in VA where he's from last I heard.

He is still trying to master the backwards pass...

darstep 06-01-2010 01:23 PM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lynwood (Post 228321)
Where is Brooks now if he is so great?

Dammit look what i've started now

Not saying he is/was great...just #2 in our 40 years...was #1 unitl Brees showed up...that's all.

Danno 06-01-2010 01:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rfenasci (Post 228271)
No.

Yes

Cruize 06-01-2010 01:44 PM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Only if every former and current Saint are suddenly called home.

SmashMouth 06-01-2010 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by darstep (Post 228348)
Not saying he is/was great...just #2 in our 40 years...was #1 unitl Brees showed up...that's all.

He's not even number 2 or 3, for that matter.

The following is a quick list of the top Saints QB's, IMHO.

#1 Drew Brees, a couple of more SB's and we can mention him in the same breath as Joe Montana.
#2 Archie Manning, great QB on team with really bad defenses
#3 Bobby Hebert, he gave us our best years before Brees despsite the not so clutch interceptions at crunch time.
#4 Jim Everett, our first decent QB after Archie
#5 Billy Kilmer, yeah he was old by the time he got to us
#6 Ken Stabler, he was at the tail end of his career too
#7 Aaron Brooks, Haslett kept him in there way too long and should have started Delhomme. Padded numbers pressure opinions to move him up undeservedly.
#8 All the rest of them

Here's the entire history of starting Saints QB's for those who are interested.

strato 06-01-2010 02:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 228356)
He's not even number 2 or 3, for that matter.

The following is a quick list of the top Saints QB's.

#1 Drew Brees, a couple of more SB's and we can mention him in the same breath as Joe Montana.
#2 Archie Manning, great QB on team with really bad defenses
#3 Bobby Hebert, he gave us our best years before Brees despsite the not so clutch interceptions at crunch time.
#4 Jim Everett, our first decent QB after Archie
#5 Billy Kilmer, yeah he was old by the time he got to us
#6 Ken Stabler, he was at the tail end of his career too
#7 Aaron Brooks, Haslett kept him in there way too long and should have started Delhomme. Padded numbers pressure opinions to move him up undeservedly.
#8 All the rest of them

This list is kinda confusing..Bobby gave us our best before Brees?..then Everett was a our first decent QB after Archie?...you lost me brother...:confused: Brooks has better stats than all of them except Brees...and he won us our first playoff..being a Saints fan that means a lot...lol

TheEnigma 06-01-2010 02:17 PM

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I vote no.

Speedy Ron 06-01-2010 02:22 PM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
this has to be some sort of joke. he had one good season. stats can be misleading. i voted NO 4 times.

SmashMouth 06-01-2010 02:22 PM

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Some not so recent media reports on Brooks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/27/sp.../27rhoden.html

Former New Orleans Saints quarterback Aaron Brooks has arm, will travel | NOLA.com

Aaron Brooks
"note here 26 fumbles lost and 92 intercetions" in case anyone has forgotten.
Average QB rating of....hold on to something now...... 78.5! Yooohoooo!

strato 06-01-2010 02:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 228363)
this has to be some sort of joke. he had one good season. stats can be misleading. i voted NO 4 times.

This all courtesy of your favorite catman...lol

ScottF 06-01-2010 02:27 PM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
great stats are only a piece of the HOF make-up... look at baseball's homeroun kings

I voted NO. We are becoming a team that will have legitimate HOF guys in the next 10 years. Let's not cheapen our HOF by just picking 'good' players for the sake of filling up the room. When we are inducting Brees, Vilma, Colston, Evans, PT, and maybe Shockey and Sharper, will we want to see the Brooks plaque hanging there also? next to Kilmer's??

Raise the standard

SmashMouth 06-01-2010 02:30 PM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 228367)
great stats are only a piece of the HOF make-up... look at baseball's homeroun kings

I voted NO. We are becoming a team that will have legitimate HOF guys in the next 10 years. Let's not cheapen our HOF by just picking 'good' players for the sake of filling up the room. When we are inducting Brees, Vilma, Colston, Evans, PT, and maybe Shockey and Sharper, will we want to see the Brooks plaque hanging there also? next to Kilmer's??

Raise the standard

Could not have said it better.

Reps for you!

foreverfan 06-01-2010 02:49 PM

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Brooks wasn't the greatest but he is still second best.

foreverfan 06-01-2010 02:50 PM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 228368)
Could not have said it better.

Reps for you!

All of the names you mention are 10 years away. :doh:

Danno 06-01-2010 02:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 228367)
I voted NO. We are becoming a team that will have legitimate HOF guys in the next 10 years. Let's not cheapen our HOF by just picking 'good' players for the sake of filling up the room. When we are inducting Brees, Vilma, Colston, Evans, PT, and maybe Shockey and Sharper, will we want to see the Brooks plaque hanging there also? next to Kilmer's??

Why not? He deserves it.

strato 06-01-2010 02:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 228373)
Why not? He deserves it.

For once I agree with Danno..lol...wow the culture did change...job well done Strat...

SapperSaint 06-01-2010 03:02 PM

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my brain just vomited, because I thought.....well, yeah, I guess he does.

I will type it..... but none of you could ever make me speak it.

Yes, put him in.

Dear Lord, I can't believe I just typed that.

SmashMouth 06-01-2010 03:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 228375)
my brain just vomited, because I thought.....well, yeah, I guess he does.

I will type it..... but none of you could ever make me speak it.

Yes, put him in.

Dear Lord, I can't believe I just typed that.

Neither can I .... where's the soap? :mrgreen:

SapperSaint 06-01-2010 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 228376)
Neither can I .... where's the soap? :mrgreen:

I just tried "LAVA" soap and it doesn't work. Let me know when you find one that will make me "Feel clean" again. :-P

Speedy Ron 06-01-2010 03:31 PM

Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?
 
Did i mistaken the subject here? i thought the title read Hall Of Fame...Brooks should go into the Hall of Shame

Memnoch_TP 06-01-2010 03:48 PM

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Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this.

Statistics don't lie, but they don't tell the whole story, nor do they say anything but what you want them to say.

Yes, AB won our first playoff game. Thank you, Jeff Blake, for putting the team into position to get into the playoffs before you got injured. If AB had been the started the whole season, your statistic would have merit. Being a late season sub for Blake, winning a playoff game, and never being able to get us to the playoffs again? Yeah, that's HOF material. NOT.

Oh, and yes, he broke several of Archie's records. Big whoop, Archie and Aaron are polar opposites. Archie was a great QB with crappy stats, and Aaron was a crappy QB with great stats. When Archie played, he didn't have half the talent around him that Ab did, and the game of football ran differently back then. It's not a valid comparison.

Not to mention, yes, AB had lots of 3500+ yard seasons. And just how many of those yards were made during garbage time at the end of a hopelessly lost game? That is why AB was a great Fantasy QB, he couldn't get a win, but he always got the garbage time yards.


Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 228268)
Its hard to ignore his stats..and at one time i felt he would lead us to the superbowl..i know Archie is more of a sentimental favorite..but Brooks numbers dont lie...i have to say yes...

How can it be hard to ignore meaningless stats? Here is a stat for you. -1 Rep.


Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 228288)
I voted yes. We did have a prolific offense under his helm... it's hard to argue with the numbers he put up. Now had we had a better history of successful quarterbacks in the past to stack him up against, maybe it would be a different story.

I thought better of you Papz, I truly did.


Quote:

Originally Posted by lynwood (Post 228321)
Where is Brooks now if he is so great?

Dammit look what i've started now

I believe he is retired and out of football, because no one in the NFL thought he was good enough to simply hold a clipboard and warm a bench with his ass.

It isn't like he wasn't wanted after he left the Saints though. Yes, the only person who would give him a job is the same guy who drafted JaMarcus Russel as the savior of his franchise. The same guy who passed on Crabtree. The guy who make people gag at the sheer stupidity of his personnel decisions. THAT guy thought Aaron Brooks was a good QB.


Quote:

Originally Posted by darstep (Post 228348)
Not saying he is/was great...just #2 in our 40 years...was #1 unitl Brees showed up...that's all.

Well then, maybe we should hold off on his enshrinement and only put GREAT players in our HOF.


Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 228368)
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 228367)
great stats are only a piece of the HOF make-up... look at baseball's homeroun kings

I voted NO. We are becoming a team that will have legitimate HOF guys in the next 10 years. Let's not cheapen our HOF by just picking 'good' players for the sake of filling up the room. When we are inducting Brees, Vilma, Colston, Evans, PT, and maybe Shockey and Sharper, will we want to see the Brooks plaque hanging there also? next to Kilmer's??

Raise the standard

Could not have said it better.

Reps for you!

Indeed.


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