Its hard to ignore his stats..and at one time i felt he would lead us to the superbowl..i know Archie is more of a sentimental favorite..but Brooks numbers dont lie...i have to say yes...

I voted yes. We did have a prolific offense under his helm... it's hard to argue with the numbers he put up. Now had we had a better history of successful quarterbacks in the past to stack him up against, maybe it would be a different story.

Where is Brooks now if he is so great?

Dammit look what i've started now

Not saying he is/was great...just #2 in our 40 years...was #1 unitl Brees showed up...that's all.

Originally Posted by ScottF

great stats are only a piece of the HOF make-up... look at baseball's homeroun kings

I voted NO. We are becoming a team that will have legitimate HOF guys in the next 10 years. Let's not cheapen our HOF by just picking 'good' players for the sake of filling up the room. When we are inducting Brees, Vilma, Colston, Evans, PT, and maybe Shockey and Sharper, will we want to see the Brooks plaque hanging there also? next to Kilmer's??

Raise the standard

Could not have said it better.

Reps for you!

Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this.

Statistics don't lie, but they don't tell the whole story, nor do they say anything but what you want them to say.

Yes, AB won our first playoff game. Thank you, Jeff Blake, for putting the team into position to get into the playoffs before you got injured. If AB had been the started the whole season, your statistic would have merit. Being a late season sub for Blake, winning a playoff game, and never being able to get us to the playoffs again? Yeah, that's HOF material. NOT.

Oh, and yes, he broke several of Archie's records. Big whoop, Archie and Aaron are polar opposites. Archie was a great QB with crappy stats, and Aaron was a crappy QB with great stats. When Archie played, he didn't have half the talent around him that Ab did, and the game of football ran differently back then. It's not a valid comparison.

Not to mention, yes, AB had lots of 3500+ yard seasons. And just how many of those yards were made during garbage time at the end of a hopelessly lost game? That is why AB was a great Fantasy QB, he couldn't get a win, but he always got the garbage time yards.




How can it be hard to ignore meaningless stats? Here is a stat for you. -1 Rep.




I thought better of you Papz, I truly did.




I believe he is retired and out of football, because no one in the NFL thought he was good enough to simply hold a clipboard and warm a bench with his ass.

It isn't like he wasn't wanted after he left the Saints though. Yes, the only person who would give him a job is the same guy who drafted JaMarcus Russel as the savior of his franchise. The same guy who passed on Crabtree. The guy who make people gag at the sheer stupidity of his personnel decisions. THAT guy thought Aaron Brooks was a good QB.




Well then, maybe we should hold off on his enshrinement and only put GREAT players in our HOF.




Indeed.

Go back and look at ANY season where Brooks was the starter at QB and take a look at our Offensive rankings and points scored, then look at the defense and ask yourself, "was it really the Offense's fault, or Brooks, or might we have been a regular in the playoff hunt IF WE COULD HAVE STOPPED ANYBODY?"

HOF or not, either you can recognize where the real problems were with those teams or you cant.

It's not as cut and dried as that. We surely had problems on D. But we all (old enogh) saw the lack of focus, silly plays, and lazy demeanor Brooks had during his tenure. Compare that to the way Manning played and Drew currently does. When it comes to Focus, desire, and intensity, guys like Mills, Martin, Jackson, Manning, Breese, and Roaf demonstrated it. Brooks did not.

It isn't that I disagree with the spirit of your post, but then there is no HOF criteria set in stone. Joe Horn left on a bad note for our hated enemy and he's in the Saints HOF (as I believe he should be), so shouldn't that matter?

There were some bad plays, but the good FAR outnumbered the bad regardless of the fact that people (some, many, but not all) latched on to them in a way to promote their argument for Delhomme, and everyone can say what they want, 50% of the Brooks hate (likely more) was because we had a local guy at #2 that everyone wanted so badly to believe was better.

FACT is Brooks was a talented QB with a sub-standard D, an underachieving O-Line, mediocre WR's, etc. Given a better D and who knows. Had he not been required to run backwards at the immediate snap of the ball more often than not, who knows? In this case, the numbers don't lie. Brooks was not a malcontent. If his numbers warrant it (and I think they do) I don't think he should be kept from the Saints HOF just because he didn't pout and whine after every bad play - I personally like the fact that he laughed it off so many times. It was refreshing when help up against the "Wah wah wah they bumped the WR I always lock on to" crap I saw from Delhomme week after week after week.

It isn't that I disagree with the spirit of your post, but then there is no HOF criteria set in stone. Joe Horn left on a bad note for our hated enemy and he's in the Saints HOF (as I believe he should be), so shouldn't that matter?

There were some bad plays, but the good FAR outnumbered the bad regardless of the fact that people (some, many, but not all) latched on to them in a way to promote their argument for Delhomme, and everyone can say what they want, 50% of the Brooks hate (likely more) was because we had a local guy at #2 that everyone wanted so badly to believe was better.

FACT is Brooks was a talented QB with a sub-standard D, an underachieving O-Line, mediocre WR's, etc. Given a better D and who knows. Had he not been required to run backwards at the immediate snap of the ball more often than not, who knows? In this case, the numbers don't lie. Brooks was not a malcontent. If his numbers warrant it (and I think they do) I don't think he should be kept from the Saints HOF just because he didn't pout and whine after every bad play - I personally like the fact that he laughed it off so many times. It was refreshing when help up against the "Wah wah wah they bumped the WR I always lock on to" crap I saw from Delhomme week after week after week.

Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this.

The Mod Nazi's strike again.

Why isn't this a perfectly fair question? As of right now
this tread has 47 post with 485 views. For a Tuesday, it
has kept people interested in the board which was my
intention no matter how difficult the subject matter was
to stomach.

Oh well now that you have spun it your way, I feel bad. No, wait, I don't. That was just gas.

Were I a Nazi, I would have stopped you from asking the question, I did not. I gave you negative Rep for asking such an offensive question, which is well within my rights.

So, are you trying to say that all topics you start are not because you are interested in the topic, but just to promote activity on the board? And on top of that you should not be at all held accountable for your post because you brought activity to the board with your offensive question? So in response you brand me of the same ilk as a band of some of the most notorious mass murderers in the history of our civilization?

What is your next post going to be? "I think Jeremy Shockey masturbates to Gay Porno!"? That should get a ton of attention on the board.

No, I don't think it works like that. There is only one thing for you to do with that opinion, and that is scratch some sand on it, cat man.


Also, I totally acknowledge that our Defense sucked in the A.B. era. It did, and if the defense would have been better we would have won a lot more games and we would have been playoff contenders every year.

That does NOT mean that A.B. didn't suck, and it does not mean A.B. didn't throw away a lot of games through stupidity or incompetence. Because he did. 17 come from behind victories? They were always behind anyway. That is almost half his total wins! That isn't a statistic, that is a circumstance.

Archie is beloved because even though his stats sucked he had talent and heart. All AB has are stats padded with garbage yards and winning one important game. Frankly, I think winning that playoff game hurt us in the long run, because if A.B. had lost that game then I think Jeff Blake would had a better chance of taking us to the playoffs the next year, and perhaps years beyond.

His post career accolades should reflect his career. A.B. was not a Hall-of-Famer, he was a statistic. A name etched briefly at the top of a few statistical records, but long enough for his memory to, unfortunately, linger.