Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?

foreverfan · 06-01-2010, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this.

The Mod Nazi's strike again.
Why isn't this a perfectly fair question? As of right now
this tread has 47 post with 485 views. For a Tuesday, it
has kept people interested in the board which was my
intention no matter how difficult the subject matter was
to stomach.

Memnoch_TP · 06-03-2010, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

The Mod Nazi's strike again.

Why isn't this a perfectly fair question? As of right now
this tread has 47 post with 485 views. For a Tuesday, it
has kept people interested in the board which was my
intention no matter how difficult the subject matter was
to stomach.

Oh well now that you have spun it your way, I feel bad. No, wait, I don't. That was just gas.

Were I a Nazi, I would have stopped you from asking the question, I did not. I gave you negative Rep for asking such an offensive question, which is well within my rights.

So, are you trying to say that all topics you start are not because you are interested in the topic, but just to promote activity on the board? And on top of that you should not be at all held accountable for your post because you brought activity to the board with your offensive question? So in response you brand me of the same ilk as a band of some of the most notorious mass murderers in the history of our civilization?

What is your next post going to be? "I think Jeremy Shockey masturbates to Gay Porno!"? That should get a ton of attention on the board.

No, I don't think it works like that. There is only one thing for you to do with that opinion, and that is scratch some sand on it, cat man.

Also, I totally acknowledge that our Defense sucked in the A.B. era. It did, and if the defense would have been better we would have won a lot more games and we would have been playoff contenders every year.

That does NOT mean that A.B. didn't suck, and it does not mean A.B. didn't throw away a lot of games through stupidity or incompetence. Because he did. 17 come from behind victories? They were always behind anyway. That is almost half his total wins! That isn't a statistic, that is a circumstance.

Archie is beloved because even though his stats sucked he had talent and heart. All AB has are stats padded with garbage yards and winning one important game. Frankly, I think winning that playoff game hurt us in the long run, because if A.B. had lost that game then I think Jeff Blake would had a better chance of taking us to the playoffs the next year, and perhaps years beyond.

His post career accolades should reflect his career. A.B. was not a Hall-of-Famer, he was a statistic. A name etched briefly at the top of a few statistical records, but long enough for his memory to, unfortunately, linger.

strato · 06-03-2010, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Oh well now that you have spun it your way, I feel bad. No, wait, I don't. That was just gas.

Were I a Nazi, I would have stopped you from asking the question, I did not. I gave you negative Rep for asking such an offensive question, which is well within my rights.

So, are you trying to say that all topics you start are not because you are interested in the topic, but just to promote activity on the board? And on top of that you should not be at all held accountable for your post because you brought activity to the board with your offensive question? So in response you brand me of the same ilk as a band of some of the most notorious mass murderers in the history of our civilization?

What is your next post going to be? "I think Jeremy Shockey masturbates to Gay Porno!"? That should get a ton of attention on the board.

No, I don't think it works like that. There is only one thing for you to do with that opinion, and that is scratch some sand on it, cat man.

Also, I totally acknowledge that our Defense sucked in the A.B. era. It did, and if the defense would have been better we would have won a lot more games and we would have been playoff contenders every year.

That does NOT mean that A.B. didn't suck, and it does not mean A.B. didn't throw away a lot of games through stupidity or incompetence. Because he did. 17 come from behind victories? They were always behind anyway. That is almost half his total wins! That isn't a statistic, that is a circumstance.

Archie is beloved because even though his stats sucked he had talent and heart. All AB has are stats padded with garbage yards and winning one important game. Frankly, I think winning that playoff game hurt us in the long run, because if A.B. had lost that game then I think Jeff Blake would had a better chance of taking us to the playoffs the next year, and perhaps years beyond.

His post career accolades should reflect his career. A.B. was not a Hall-of-Famer, he was a statistic. A name etched briefly at the top of a few statistical records, but long enough for his memory to, unfortunately, linger.

+1 rep for u..lol

skymike · 06-03-2010, 08:30 AM

This is an "offensive question?" --to which group of hyphenated-Americans?

I dont like Aaron Brooks either, but I wouldnt call any of this "offensive."
--seemed to be a rather interesting discussion, to me, not to mention roughly half at this time have responded "yes."

Let me know what other topics are forbidden.

Memnoch_TP · 06-04-2010, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

This is an "offensive question?" --to which group of hyphenated-Americans?

I dont like Aaron Brooks either, but I wouldnt call any of this "offensive."
--seemed to be a rather interesting discussion, to me, not to mention roughly half at this time have responded "yes."

Let me know what other topics are forbidden.

Again, I didn't say it was forbidden, I just said it was offensive. As for which group of hyphenated Americans... Calling me politically correct is about as inaccurate as you can get. I still maintain the right to be offended, just as I maintain the right to offend people. Stating that I found the subject matter offensive does not equate to me attempting to ban the subject.

That touchy reaction I got from you though, it was almost like YOU were offended by my being offended. Why is it okay for you to express your displeasure at my expression of my displeasure, yet my initial expression of displeasure was bad?

Originally Posted by foreverfan

So wait... do I get my REP point back?

No.

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Brooks in the Saints HOF was brought up by Bobby Hebert on the radio 870AM the other day and the reaction was split.

-1 Rep for Bobby Hebert.

skymike · 06-04-2010, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

That touchy reaction I got from you though, it was almost like YOU were offended by my being offended. Why is it okay for you to express your displeasure at my expression of my displeasure, yet my initial expression of displeasure was bad? blahblablah.... nyanyanenenene... no, dammit, just get out and ask for directions....

huh?

are you by any chance my second wife?

Memnoch_TP · 06-10-2010, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

huh?

are you by any chance my second wife?

Fine. I guess my verbosity was too much for you to handle. I remember you going off about being offended by someone's racy avatar. It offended your values instilled by Jesus or Zeus or whichever sky goblin you follow. And you were trying to stop people from saying/showing something they liked, I just said I found the notion offensive. Since I'm obviously not going to be able to get past your hypocrisy to reach your reason let me just reduce it to a "screw you" and move on.

Screw you.

And, moving on...

Originally Posted by strato

LOL...i dont see why we lost rep..thats kinda unfair..

Not really.

Originally Posted by saintfan

How much you wanna bet the other 32 teams have guys in their HOF's that aren't top 50 or top 100 or hell even top 10? 10 bucks? A hundred? Wanna look that up? Oh, and you have to use their whole career, not just one game or one season.

So, since other teams have allowed shabby players into their HoF we should too, instead of trying to make it an institution for our GREAT players. You work for the government, don't you?

Originally Posted by saintfan

We had a GOOD offense with Brooks, and we typically needed to outscore people because in general our defenses weren't that good.

No, we typically needed to outscore people due to MATHEMATICS! A GOOD defense can allow 3 points a game, and guess what, we still need to outscore the other team to win.

Originally Posted by skymike

good thread. lively discussion. seems like a crazy topic on the surface, but then you think again.

I wouldnt call Brooks mediocre. Think of the times we WISHED we had someone with his ability. Had he lived up to his potential, there's no telling how far we could have gone.

This is why Brooks should not be in. He didn't have ability, he had UNTAPPED potential.

foreverfan · 06-03-2010, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

So, are you trying to say that all topics you start are not because you are interested in the topic, but just to promote activity on the board? And on top of that you should not be at all held accountable for your post because you brought activity to the board with your offensive question? So in response you brand me of the same ilk as a band of some of the most notorious mass murderers in the history of our civilization?

So wait... do I get my REP point back?

Actually I thought your original post that took a REP point away was funny.
I laughed when you stole a point from Strato too. LOL

Brooks in the Saints HOF was brought up by Bobby Hebert on the radio 870AM the other day and the reaction was split. I thought it would be a good offseason subject and create some activity and I was right.

Brooks treads are always controversial. People tend to forget that he had 4 pretty good years. Plus with no defense, you were always playing from behind. The 17 come from behind victories was mainly because of him. As you point out, we had no defense. People could just pin their ears back. The real problems came when Mike McCarthy went to coach Green Bay. That's when Brooks and the whole offensive team fell apart. I remember in his final 2 years, he had 2 seconds to get rid of the ball and that was on slow motion.

Originally Posted by skymike

This is an "offensive question?" --to which group of hyphenated-Americans?

I dont like Aaron Brooks either, but I wouldnt call any of this "offensive."
--seemed to be a rather interesting discussion, to me, not to mention roughly half at this time have responded "yes."

Let me know what other topics are forbidden.

Thanks.....

CantonLegend · 06-03-2010, 09:06 AM

WHAT!? the saints werent any good? when?.....i dont believe it

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06-01-2010, 06:22 PM	#1
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this. The Mod Nazi's strike again. Why isn't this a perfectly fair question? As of right now this tread has 47 post with 485 views. For a Tuesday, it has kept people interested in the board which was my intention no matter how difficult the subject matter was to stomach.
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06-03-2010, 05:15 AM	#2
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by foreverfan The Mod Nazi's strike again. Why isn't this a perfectly fair question? As of right now this tread has 47 post with 485 views. For a Tuesday, it has kept people interested in the board which was my intention no matter how difficult the subject matter was to stomach. Oh well now that you have spun it your way, I feel bad. No, wait, I don't. That was just gas. Were I a Nazi, I would have stopped you from asking the question, I did not. I gave you negative Rep for asking such an offensive question, which is well within my rights. So, are you trying to say that all topics you start are not because you are interested in the topic, but just to promote activity on the board? And on top of that you should not be at all held accountable for your post because you brought activity to the board with your offensive question? So in response you brand me of the same ilk as a band of some of the most notorious mass murderers in the history of our civilization? What is your next post going to be? "I think Jeremy Shockey masturbates to Gay Porno!"? That should get a ton of attention on the board. No, I don't think it works like that. There is only one thing for you to do with that opinion, and that is scratch some sand on it, cat man. Also, I totally acknowledge that our Defense sucked in the A.B. era. It did, and if the defense would have been better we would have won a lot more games and we would have been playoff contenders every year. That does NOT mean that A.B. didn't suck, and it does not mean A.B. didn't throw away a lot of games through stupidity or incompetence. Because he did. 17 come from behind victories? They were always behind anyway. That is almost half his total wins! That isn't a statistic, that is a circumstance. Archie is beloved because even though his stats sucked he had talent and heart. All AB has are stats padded with garbage yards and winning one important game. Frankly, I think winning that playoff game hurt us in the long run, because if A.B. had lost that game then I think Jeff Blake would had a better chance of taking us to the playoffs the next year, and perhaps years beyond. His post career accolades should reflect his career. A.B. was not a Hall-of-Famer, he was a statistic. A name etched briefly at the top of a few statistical records, but long enough for his memory to, unfortunately, linger.
	"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams.

06-03-2010, 07:21 AM	#3
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Oh well now that you have spun it your way, I feel bad. No, wait, I don't. That was just gas. Were I a Nazi, I would have stopped you from asking the question, I did not. I gave you negative Rep for asking such an offensive question, which is well within my rights. So, are you trying to say that all topics you start are not because you are interested in the topic, but just to promote activity on the board? And on top of that you should not be at all held accountable for your post because you brought activity to the board with your offensive question? So in response you brand me of the same ilk as a band of some of the most notorious mass murderers in the history of our civilization? What is your next post going to be? "I think Jeremy Shockey masturbates to Gay Porno!"? That should get a ton of attention on the board. No, I don't think it works like that. There is only one thing for you to do with that opinion, and that is scratch some sand on it, cat man. Also, I totally acknowledge that our Defense sucked in the A.B. era. It did, and if the defense would have been better we would have won a lot more games and we would have been playoff contenders every year. That does NOT mean that A.B. didn't suck, and it does not mean A.B. didn't throw away a lot of games through stupidity or incompetence. Because he did. 17 come from behind victories? They were always behind anyway. That is almost half his total wins! That isn't a statistic, that is a circumstance. Archie is beloved because even though his stats sucked he had talent and heart. All AB has are stats padded with garbage yards and winning one important game. Frankly, I think winning that playoff game hurt us in the long run, because if A.B. had lost that game then I think Jeff Blake would had a better chance of taking us to the playoffs the next year, and perhaps years beyond. His post career accolades should reflect his career. A.B. was not a Hall-of-Famer, he was a statistic. A name etched briefly at the top of a few statistical records, but long enough for his memory to, unfortunately, linger. +1 rep for u..lol

06-03-2010, 08:30 AM	#4
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? This is an "offensive question?" --to which group of hyphenated-Americans? I dont like Aaron Brooks either, but I wouldnt call any of this "offensive." --seemed to be a rather interesting discussion, to me, not to mention roughly half at this time have responded "yes." Let me know what other topics are forbidden.
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06-04-2010, 12:54 AM	#5
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by skymike This is an "offensive question?" --to which group of hyphenated-Americans? I dont like Aaron Brooks either, but I wouldnt call any of this "offensive." --seemed to be a rather interesting discussion, to me, not to mention roughly half at this time have responded "yes." Let me know what other topics are forbidden. Again, I didn't say it was forbidden, I just said it was offensive. As for which group of hyphenated Americans... Calling me politically correct is about as inaccurate as you can get. I still maintain the right to be offended, just as I maintain the right to offend people. Stating that I found the subject matter offensive does not equate to me attempting to ban the subject. That touchy reaction I got from you though, it was almost like YOU were offended by my being offended. Why is it okay for you to express your displeasure at my expression of my displeasure, yet my initial expression of displeasure was bad? Originally Posted by foreverfan So wait... do I get my REP point back? No. Originally Posted by foreverfan Brooks in the Saints HOF was brought up by Bobby Hebert on the radio 870AM the other day and the reaction was split. -1 Rep for Bobby Hebert.
	"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams.

06-04-2010, 06:53 AM	#6
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP That touchy reaction I got from you though, it was almost like YOU were offended by my being offended. Why is it okay for you to express your displeasure at my expression of my displeasure, yet my initial expression of displeasure was bad? blahblablah.... nyanyanenenene... no, dammit, just get out and ask for directions.... huh? are you by any chance my second wife?

06-10-2010, 01:23 AM	#7
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by skymike huh? are you by any chance my second wife? Fine. I guess my verbosity was too much for you to handle. I remember you going off about being offended by someone's racy avatar. It offended your values instilled by Jesus or Zeus or whichever sky goblin you follow. And you were trying to stop people from saying/showing something they liked, I just said I found the notion offensive. Since I'm obviously not going to be able to get past your hypocrisy to reach your reason let me just reduce it to a "screw you" and move on. Screw you. And, moving on... Originally Posted by strato LOL...i dont see why we lost rep..thats kinda unfair.. Not really. Originally Posted by saintfan How much you wanna bet the other 32 teams have guys in their HOF's that aren't top 50 or top 100 or hell even top 10? 10 bucks? A hundred? Wanna look that up? Oh, and you have to use their whole career, not just one game or one season. So, since other teams have allowed shabby players into their HoF we should too, instead of trying to make it an institution for our GREAT players. You work for the government, don't you? Originally Posted by saintfan We had a GOOD offense with Brooks, and we typically needed to outscore people because in general our defenses weren't that good. No, we typically needed to outscore people due to MATHEMATICS! A GOOD defense can allow 3 points a game, and guess what, we still need to outscore the other team to win. Originally Posted by skymike good thread. lively discussion. seems like a crazy topic on the surface, but then you think again. I wouldnt call Brooks mediocre. Think of the times we WISHED we had someone with his ability. Had he lived up to his potential, there's no telling how far we could have gone. This is why Brooks should not be in. He didn't have ability, he had UNTAPPED potential.
	"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams.

06-03-2010, 09:04 AM	#8
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP So, are you trying to say that all topics you start are not because you are interested in the topic, but just to promote activity on the board? And on top of that you should not be at all held accountable for your post because you brought activity to the board with your offensive question? So in response you brand me of the same ilk as a band of some of the most notorious mass murderers in the history of our civilization? So wait... do I get my REP point back? Actually I thought your original post that took a REP point away was funny. I laughed when you stole a point from Strato too. LOL Brooks in the Saints HOF was brought up by Bobby Hebert on the radio 870AM the other day and the reaction was split. I thought it would be a good offseason subject and create some activity and I was right. Brooks treads are always controversial. People tend to forget that he had 4 pretty good years. Plus with no defense, you were always playing from behind. The 17 come from behind victories was mainly because of him. As you point out, we had no defense. People could just pin their ears back. The real problems came when Mike McCarthy went to coach Green Bay. That's when Brooks and the whole offensive team fell apart. I remember in his final 2 years, he had 2 seconds to get rid of the ball and that was on slow motion. Originally Posted by skymike This is an "offensive question?" --to which group of hyphenated-Americans? I dont like Aaron Brooks either, but I wouldnt call any of this "offensive." --seemed to be a rather interesting discussion, to me, not to mention roughly half at this time have responded "yes." Let me know what other topics are forbidden. Thanks.....
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