Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?

SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-07-2010, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm not ignoring anything, and I'm not picking on you, but you brought up the 'home run king', and then what...you said it didn't relate...so why bring it up? What's the point if it doesn't relate? I mean, you did have a reason right? Explain it or leave it out of the discussion.

I did explain it. Twice. Try reading again...slowly. I even capatalized it for you. I originally said I said I wasn't comparing why Rose was not in vs why Brooks not in, yet you had to ignore this remark and make the jerk statement "when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know". My point is that you could have the best stats in the world (which Brooks does not), and still something may keep you out. Simple as that. That may be tough to wrap your head around, but take a tylenol and try.

Originally Posted by saintfan

I never said Brooks was the only decent player on the squad. If that's what YOU got out of it there's not much I can do about that, but it certainly isn't what I said.

Well, you've criticized the Defense, the o-line, the coaching, and the WRs. So, you're saying it was Brooks and the kicking game that won us that playoff game then.

Originally Posted by saintfan

We had a crappy o-line. You Disagree?
We had a crappy defense. You Disagree?
We had, for the most part, average WR's. You Disagree?
We had questionable coaching. You Disagree?

Since you said it was the bottom line that he won us the playoff game, lets take a look at that year:

Crappy Defense...they were top 10 in yards and points. 4 pro bowlers. Yes I disagree.
Crappy O-line... they had a 1,000 yard rusher and threw for over 3,500 yards. Disagree.
Avg. WR's...as a whole yes. We did not have much outside of horn. But he was one of the best in the league that year and a pro bowler.
Questionable coaching...disagree. Haslett appeared an up and coming good young head coach at this time. It wasn't until a season or three later that he went loco.

Originally Posted by saintfan

I bring up Delhomme because I was here and was paying attention. Anybody that looks me in the face and tells me half the Brooks hate wasn't because we had a local boy at #2 isn't telling me the truth.

I've never spouted hate towards Brooks nor love for Delhomme. I'm simply responding to the question of HOF or not. Do you label all those that don't agree with you as haters?

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'll never know if Brooks gave 100%. Neither will you. What makes you think he didn't? His demeanor? How many times might he have railed on any give player on the O-Line for missing a block? How many times might he have railed on a given 2nd or 3rd tier WR for running the wrong route or dropping a pass that hit him in the hands? There is no "Yes" or "No" to your question until you can get into someone's mind, which you can't do, which is more or less my point. You CANNOT know how he felt, you can only judge him because he didn't react the way you think he should. Who died and made you the authority on sports etiquette? You are entitled to your opinion though, and I am entitled to mine. Beyond opinion we have his numbers and his accomplishments, so all things being equal...

He has the numbers. He won our first playoff game. Some people don't like his 'style'. That shouldn't keep him out of the hall because his performance on the field warranted it. His place in our record books warrants it.

I realize that none of us know. Hence I asked what you think. And you couldn't even tell me that. I'm guessing that secretly you answered "no" and went off on the obvious argument that "no one knows" in order to make yourself feel better about it.

No one died and made me an authority. No one had to die....I'm just an expert.

OK, I was joking there. But I can't buy a guy for the hall of fame when he acts like he just dosn't give a damn. Obviously you can.

I also don't buy that his stats warrant it. I don't feel like we are a strong enough franchise at the QB spot throughout our history to vote him in simply because he was our second best ever. Those stats are just not good enough because they wouldn't crack the stats of the top 50 QBs of all time and might not crack the top 100.

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SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan I'm not ignoring anything, and I'm not picking on you, but you brought up the 'home run king', and then what...you said it didn't relate...so why bring it up? What's the point if it doesn't relate? I mean, you did have a reason right? Explain it or leave it out of the discussion. I did explain it. Twice. Try reading again...slowly. I even capatalized it for you. I originally said I said I wasn't comparing why Rose was not in vs why Brooks not in, yet you had to ignore this remark and make the jerk statement "when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know". My point is that you could have the best stats in the world (which Brooks does not), and still something may keep you out. Simple as that. That may be tough to wrap your head around, but take a tylenol and try. Originally Posted by saintfan I never said Brooks was the only decent player on the squad. If that's what YOU got out of it there's not much I can do about that, but it certainly isn't what I said. Well, you've criticized the Defense, the o-line, the coaching, and the WRs. So, you're saying it was Brooks and the kicking game that won us that playoff game then. Originally Posted by saintfan We had a crappy o-line. You Disagree? We had a crappy defense. You Disagree? We had, for the most part, average WR's. You Disagree? We had questionable coaching. You Disagree? Since you said it was the bottom line that he won us the playoff game, lets take a look at that year: Crappy Defense...they were top 10 in yards and points. 4 pro bowlers. Yes I disagree. Crappy O-line... they had a 1,000 yard rusher and threw for over 3,500 yards. Disagree. Avg. WR's...as a whole yes. We did not have much outside of horn. But he was one of the best in the league that year and a pro bowler. Questionable coaching...disagree. Haslett appeared an up and coming good young head coach at this time. It wasn't until a season or three later that he went loco. Originally Posted by saintfan I bring up Delhomme because I was here and was paying attention. Anybody that looks me in the face and tells me half the Brooks hate wasn't because we had a local boy at #2 isn't telling me the truth. I've never spouted hate towards Brooks nor love for Delhomme. I'm simply responding to the question of HOF or not. Do you label all those that don't agree with you as haters? Originally Posted by saintfan I'll never know if Brooks gave 100%. Neither will you. What makes you think he didn't? His demeanor? How many times might he have railed on any give player on the O-Line for missing a block? How many times might he have railed on a given 2nd or 3rd tier WR for running the wrong route or dropping a pass that hit him in the hands? There is no "Yes" or "No" to your question until you can get into someone's mind, which you can't do, which is more or less my point. You CANNOT know how he felt, you can only judge him because he didn't react the way you think he should. Who died and made you the authority on sports etiquette? You are entitled to your opinion though, and I am entitled to mine. Beyond opinion we have his numbers and his accomplishments, so all things being equal... He has the numbers. He won our first playoff game. Some people don't like his 'style'. That shouldn't keep him out of the hall because his performance on the field warranted it. His place in our record books warrants it. I realize that none of us know. Hence I asked what you think. And you couldn't even tell me that. I'm guessing that secretly you answered "no" and went off on the obvious argument that "no one knows" in order to make yourself feel better about it. No one died and made me an authority. No one had to die....I'm just an expert. OK, I was joking there. But I can't buy a guy for the hall of fame when he acts like he just dosn't give a damn. Obviously you can. I also don't buy that his stats warrant it. I don't feel like we are a strong enough franchise at the QB spot throughout our history to vote him in simply because he was our second best ever. Those stats are just not good enough because they wouldn't crack the stats of the top 50 QBs of all time and might not crack the top 100.
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