Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?

saintfan · 06-07-2010, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

I did explain it. Twice. Try reading again...slowly. I even capatalized it for you. I originally said I said I wasn't comparing why Rose was not in vs why Brooks not in, yet you had to ignore this remark and make the jerk statement "when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know". My point is that you could have the best stats in the world (which Brooks does not), and still something may keep you out. Simple as that. That may be tough to wrap your head around, but take a tylenol and try.

You said it, then you said it didn't matter, so I'm asking you why you said it to begin with. Your point that good players don't make the HOF for other reasons isn't hard to understand, however you're comparing Brooks to A guy that was BANNED from his sport and thus isn't in that sports HOF is kind over the top. You said it. Either back it up or don't. Is your dislike of Brooks so strong that you'd make that comparison, and if not then why did you do it?

Well, you've criticized the Defense, the o-line, the coaching, and the WRs. So, you're saying it was Brooks and the kicking game that won us that playoff game then.

No. You're logic is flawed. I did NOT say that, and in fact I never mentioned the kicking game. You just pulled that out of your azz. I HAVE said Brooks played with a less than stellar team around him though, which stats will prove...but we'll get to that...

Since you said it was the bottom line that he won us the playoff game, lets take a look at that year:

Crappy Defense...they were top 10 in yards and points. 4 pro bowlers. Yes I disagree.
Crappy O-line... they had a 1,000 yard rusher and threw for over 3,500 yards. Disagree.
Avg. WR's...as a whole yes. We did not have much outside of horn. But he was one of the best in the league that year and a pro bowler.
Questionable coaching...disagree. Haslett appeared an up and coming good young head coach at this time. It wasn't until a season or three later that he went loco.

Yep. And Brooks was the QB. A Saints "Record-Setting" one at that. Good call...we had a pretty good team that year...

Only...if you look at the Career, which by the way is what makes or breaks someone for a HOF, you'll see that over the course of Brooks' CAREER in N.O. the defense was surrendering 20+ points a game while the offense was scoring, at times, like we did last year. Take a look at the year after the Season you picked...the best season the team had while Brooks was here, or even the one after that and you'll have no choice but to say, "Oh, I get it now." LOL

I've never spouted hate towards Brooks nor love for Delhomme. I'm simply responding to the question of HOF or not. Do you label all those that don't agree with you as haters?

No, and I don't think I called you a hater. Are you a hater? I think you're taking this personally. lol

I realize that none of us know. Hence I asked what you think. And you couldn't even tell me that. I'm guessing that secretly you answered "no" and went off on the obvious argument that "no one knows" in order to make yourself feel better about it.

I did tell you what I think, but for the sake of Clarity I'll tell you yet again. Brooks won our first playoff game and his stats are worthy. The fact that you don't seem to think he gave a hundred percent isn't something you can measure, while we CAN measure his numbers and take a look at the team around him OVER HIS CAREER and logically say we might have won more had we been able to stop anyone. You're argument against that is to pull stats from the ONE season we made the playoffs. LOL.

No one died and made me an authority. No one had to die....I'm just an expert.

Better think again...

OK, I was joking there. But I can't buy a guy for the hall of fame when he acts like he just dosn't give a damn. Obviously you can.

What if it had been Delhomme with our first playoff win and Brooks' numbers over the same span. Jake is a whiner. He screams at his teammates and the refs every chance he gets. He pouts his way off the field. It's obvious he's upset. I guess then that had it been Jake or some other 'angry-acting' QB you'd be all for it? WTF?

I also don't buy that his stats warrant it. I don't feel like we are a strong enough franchise at the QB spot throughout our history to vote him in simply because he was our second best ever. Those stats are just not good enough because they wouldn't crack the stats of the top 50 QBs of all time and might not crack the top 100.

How much you wanna bet the other 32 teams have guys in their HOF's that aren't top 50 or top 100 or hell even top 10? 10 bucks? A hundred? Wanna look that up? Oh, and you have to use their whole career, not just one game or one season.

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06-07-2010, 10:11 PM	#11
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL I did explain it. Twice. Try reading again...slowly. I even capatalized it for you. I originally said I said I wasn't comparing why Rose was not in vs why Brooks not in, yet you had to ignore this remark and make the jerk statement "when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know". My point is that you could have the best stats in the world (which Brooks does not), and still something may keep you out. Simple as that. That may be tough to wrap your head around, but take a tylenol and try. You said it, then you said it didn't matter, so I'm asking you why you said it to begin with. Your point that good players don't make the HOF for other reasons isn't hard to understand, however you're comparing Brooks to A guy that was BANNED from his sport and thus isn't in that sports HOF is kind over the top. You said it. Either back it up or don't. Is your dislike of Brooks so strong that you'd make that comparison, and if not then why did you do it? Well, you've criticized the Defense, the o-line, the coaching, and the WRs. So, you're saying it was Brooks and the kicking game that won us that playoff game then. No. You're logic is flawed. I did NOT say that, and in fact I never mentioned the kicking game. You just pulled that out of your azz. I HAVE said Brooks played with a less than stellar team around him though, which stats will prove...but we'll get to that... Since you said it was the bottom line that he won us the playoff game, lets take a look at that year: Crappy Defense...they were top 10 in yards and points. 4 pro bowlers. Yes I disagree. Crappy O-line... they had a 1,000 yard rusher and threw for over 3,500 yards. Disagree. Avg. WR's...as a whole yes. We did not have much outside of horn. But he was one of the best in the league that year and a pro bowler. Questionable coaching...disagree. Haslett appeared an up and coming good young head coach at this time. It wasn't until a season or three later that he went loco. Yep. And Brooks was the QB. A Saints "Record-Setting" one at that. Good call...we had a pretty good team that year... Only...if you look at the Career, which by the way is what makes or breaks someone for a HOF, you'll see that over the course of Brooks' CAREER in N.O. the defense was surrendering 20+ points a game while the offense was scoring, at times, like we did last year. Take a look at the year after the Season you picked...the best season the team had while Brooks was here, or even the one after that and you'll have no choice but to say, "Oh, I get it now." LOL I've never spouted hate towards Brooks nor love for Delhomme. I'm simply responding to the question of HOF or not. Do you label all those that don't agree with you as haters? No, and I don't think I called you a hater. Are you a hater? I think you're taking this personally. lol I realize that none of us know. Hence I asked what you think. And you couldn't even tell me that. I'm guessing that secretly you answered "no" and went off on the obvious argument that "no one knows" in order to make yourself feel better about it. I did tell you what I think, but for the sake of Clarity I'll tell you yet again. Brooks won our first playoff game and his stats are worthy. The fact that you don't seem to think he gave a hundred percent isn't something you can measure, while we CAN measure his numbers and take a look at the team around him OVER HIS CAREER and logically say we might have won more had we been able to stop anyone. You're argument against that is to pull stats from the ONE season we made the playoffs. LOL. No one died and made me an authority. No one had to die....I'm just an expert. Better think again... OK, I was joking there. But I can't buy a guy for the hall of fame when he acts like he just dosn't give a damn. Obviously you can. What if it had been Delhomme with our first playoff win and Brooks' numbers over the same span. Jake is a whiner. He screams at his teammates and the refs every chance he gets. He pouts his way off the field. It's obvious he's upset. I guess then that had it been Jake or some other 'angry-acting' QB you'd be all for it? WTF? I also don't buy that his stats warrant it. I don't feel like we are a strong enough franchise at the QB spot throughout our history to vote him in simply because he was our second best ever. Those stats are just not good enough because they wouldn't crack the stats of the top 50 QBs of all time and might not crack the top 100. How much you wanna bet the other 32 teams have guys in their HOF's that aren't top 50 or top 100 or hell even top 10? 10 bucks? A hundred? Wanna look that up? Oh, and you have to use their whole career, not just one game or one season.
	C'mon Man...

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