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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by CantonLegend one of the worst trades in saints history if it goes through I dont understand the problem here. He was not going to sign a long term deal with the saints. He ws sitting out until ...

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Old 06-20-2010, 02:10 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
one of the worst trades in saints history if it goes through

I dont understand the problem here. He was not going to sign a long term deal with the saints. He ws sitting out until he got traded or released. We held NO cards here. If we get a 3rd out of this then Loomis did great. Think about it, he was going to sit ALL season or be released. We were lucky to get anything. We won a superbowl without him and can do it again.
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:13 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
what happens if hes all pro?
So what? What happens if Bushrod does? I think Bushrod will have a better year. Anything you might wanna bet?
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I agree with what most people have to say on this board.We got something were we almost got nothing.So I'm happy with that.He WAS a great player.
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Charlie brown got our back but who knows what bushrod may turn out to be. Colston (diamond in the ruff) time will tell! Let go of jammal and he'll grab somebody else for a flag! Who-Dat good luck weak knees'/drive killer. Dam good player who held at the wrong possible times!!all pro ..yep@times.. Bushrod should make a repeating effort to hold his own! Bushrod I think will own up to the player he has the potential to be!he'll have something for ware and freeney next go round eppers too!GOTTA BELIEVE.. Let's cash in another title CHA-CHING

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Old 06-20-2010, 06:38 PM   #55
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Re: Saints, Redskins agree on Brown deal

I'll wade in here.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
brown isnt a cancer.....a cancer is someone who destroys a team and the relationships in the locker room
Agreed. Brown was not that.
all brown did was want more money.....he held out and didnt show up which is a poor business and professional decision and it shows immaturity IMO
As is his right. But I think he still made a mistake on two fronts. First is thinking that the time was right for him to ask for his deal. Brown has not played a meaningful football game in nearly 18 months. While of course he was a Pro Bowl caliber tackle at that time, truthfully all bets are now off.

Second was holding out. I think we should have signed the OTA waiver, gotten into the organization, and try to show them what they would be getting. Then if by the end of OTAs nothing was happening, make another move then.

But now he's playing for the same $3.6 million the Saints would have payed him. But now he's in Washington instead of playing for the Champs and with the best QB in the game.

Brown thought he had done enough to earn the Big Ticket contract. But in fact he's going to play another year on limited money. I think he made a bad bet not playing with Brees. McNabb is pretty good. Brees is much better at this point in both of their careers.

but a cancer? really? you guys are blowing this way out of proportion trying to pretend like the trade was the only thing to do
It wasn't. It could have lingered on becoming a protracted holdout battle. From the looks of it the Saints did Brown a favor. I think the decision had already been made that Brown wasn't going to get a long term contract without playing a year under the tender. The Brown camp seemed adamant that he get a long term deal or he would sit. It's a stalemate. One the Saints honestly could have afforded to wait out as they have enough tackles in camp to play an entire season without Brown.

But Brown was stuck. If he wasn't going to play for the Saints for the tender amount, then he wasn't going to play this year. Or drag in at week 10 and be totally useless to anyone, including himself.

The Saints could have fined him into much less money. Or they could have simply waited until after training camp started to make Brown available.

Brown is going to get a chance to start this year. A chance to gel with the O-line and McNabb in Washington.

Again I think the Saints did him a favor.

this trade was a mistake.....we lost our best offensive lineman in favor of a draft pick next year? why would we want a draft pick when we have a proven player at the most important position on the line. a pick is a gamble....whereas brown is the real thing
Because he wasn't going to play and the team did not know what his current status is. Also there could have been the simple decision that with so may other needs to be filled, that they couldn't afford to pay a premier left tackle premier left tackle money.

The platoon of Brees, Payton, Bushrod, Streif, and Thomas succeed as a group in winning the SB. While Brown certainly can function on an island, and Bushrod has yet to prove that he can, that battery can motivate a functional #1 offense.
threads like this make me wonder if you guys know the importance of a talented offensive line
Of course. Did you notice that the Saints did pay the talent?

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Old 06-20-2010, 07:03 PM   #56
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The more I read about this trade, the more p/o'ed I get...

Stupid Loomis
Well put on your GM hat and tell me what you would have done. All options had issues:

1) Pay Brown premier LT money. Turns out he's not the same. Oops!

2) Let Brown hold out. Still don't have his services. He won't sign a long term deal with you and walks away with you getting nothing. Oops!

3) Pay Brown the money and he is the same. Not as obvious as the other two. How much better can the offense be with him as opposed to without him? If you pay him the $9 million+ that premier LTs get in this league, then who do you not pay? Thomas? Harper? Cut Reggie and save $8 million?

4) Trade him for Haynesworth? The worst type of cancer?

Get a decent pick. Use it or package the pick and get something better. And something you can afford.

If GMing were easy then every GM would have a SB under their belt. Loomis does. Think about it.

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Old 06-20-2010, 09:30 PM   #57
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The New Orleans Saints agreed to send disgruntled offensive tackle Jammal Brown to the Washington Redskins on Saturday.

Brown, who missed the entire 2009 season with hip and sports hernia injuries, signed his $3.62 million tender offer before the trade. He skipped the Saints' voluntary workouts this offseason because he was unhappy with the tender, along with the fact that he might have to compete with Jermon Bushrod to regain his starting job.


Yasinskas: Moving On
Jermon Bushrod may not have the upside of the departed Jammal Brown, but he showed last year he can carry his own weight, Pat Yasinskas writes. Blog


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Though it's uncertain which side of the line he'll play on, offensive tackle Jammal Brown may be an excellent fit for Washington, Matt Mosley writes. Blog

The Saints' compensation in the deal is tied to the Redskins' trade with the Eagles for quarterback Donovan McNabb in April.

Washington will now be without its third- and fourth-round draft picks in 2011, but it will also get back a later pick from New Orleans.

Washington owes the Eagles a third- or fourth-round pick in 2011 for McNabb, based on how the quarterback plays or the team performs. If the Redskins win nine games, go to the playoffs or McNabb gets selected to the Pro Bowl, Philadelphia will receive Washington's third-round pick and New Orleans will get Washington's fourth. If none of those happen, the Eagles will get the Redskins' fourth-round pick and the Saints will get the Redskins' third-round pick.

If New Orleans receives Washington's third-round pick, then the Redskins will get a 2011 fifth-round pick back from the Saints. However, if Washington's third-round pick goes to Philadelphia, then the Saints will send a 2011 sixth- or seventh-round pick back to the Redskins.

There is also a conditional 2012 sixth-round pick involved. Should Brown play 90 percent of the plays next season or get voted to the Pro Bowl, Washington will send its 2012 sixth-round pick to New Orleans. After Saturday's trade, Washington has six picks left in the 2011 draft.

Brown could be the solution at right tackle for the Redskins, who are rebuilding the line under new coach Mike Shanahan after last year's 4-12 season.

Washington took Trent Williams of Oklahoma with the No. 4 overall pick in April's draft to replace retired six-time Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels. Artis Hicks has worked with the first-string unit at right tackle during the offseason, but he could move to right guard to make room for Brown.

Brown started 58 games for the Saints in five seasons before the injuries sidelined him last year. Bushrod, nicknamed "Big Neck," started 15 games in place of Brown during the 2009 regular season, when the Saints allowed only 20 sacks, fourth-fewest in the NFL.

The 6-foot-4, 325-pound Bushrod was a fourth-round choice in the 2007 draft from Towson. He did not play a regular-season snap on the offensive line during his first two seasons.

Brown, 29, was the No. 13 overall selection in the 2005 draft from Oklahoma. The 6-foot-6, 313-pounder was selected to the Pro Bowl following the 2006 and 2008 seasons. He has only one year remaining on his contract, but the Redskins ultimately want to keep him.
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Gives us a lil lagniappe to pull for redskins to break even at 8-8;I know what non saints games I'll be following
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Old 06-20-2010, 10:15 PM   #59
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You know, I don't understand this infatuation with Brown, from some of the fans on here. He hasn't played a game, since 08, what exactly makes this guy so irreplaceable? Our best offensive lineman? With Bushrod last year, the Saints gave up the fewest sacks in the league I do believe. While leading the number one offense to a superbowl win. When we were discussing the re-signing of Sharper, people were jumping on him with both feet in here, calling him old and greedy, and "re-placeable", while sitting in the Jammal Brown section, talking about what a great player he is, and how we should keep him, no matter what the cost. DIDN'T PLAY THE ENTIRE SUPERBOWL SEASON, but he is the best o-linemen on the team. Am I the only one that finds this reasoning completely ludicrous? Good riddance, good bye Brown, and have a nice life. Should have been done before the draft this year.

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Reminds me of Lecharles Bentley and where is he now?
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