It's time ... gotta make a change this week.

BrooksMustGo · 10-06-2003, 08:18 AM

Lovie Smith

saintfan · 10-06-2003, 09:49 AM

I wouldn\'t be against it completely, but I don\'t see Haz gettin the AX anytime this year or at the end of it. I have less of a problem with Haz as I do with our O and D coordinators anyway. Furthermore, you can only play with what you\'ve got and our roster is delpeted. I\'m not makin\' excuses for Rick, and I do think we need another defensive coordinator. It must also be said that when the defense fails to stop anyone and your team is playing catch up ball from the first possession on it makes the offensive coordinator\'s job that much more difficult.

Circumstances must be weighed before ya ax the guy, and with the injury problems the Saints have had this year and the fact that we\'ve had to play to VERY good teams with all those injury problems may not be an \"out\" or an excuse but it really does have to be considered.

Of course 99.9 percent of you will disagree but then this board is infested with Brooks bashers. Again, I\'ll stick to my guns and tell you all there is NO REASON to bench AB. Even the TV announcers caught up to the dropped passes ya\'ll continue to excuse. Brooks made some \"not so good\" throws yesterday and he made some very good ones too. Of course Saintzs08 pops off about the deep ball INT -- but as usual he fails, due to his agenda, to acknowledge the fact that the receiver fell down. We had 344 total years yesterday against a VERY good defense. Pentalites and special temas play killed us. Funny how I\'ve yet to see that mentioned by anyone...oh, I forgot, this is the \"agenda\" board. What the hell did I expect?

TheOriginalSwampdog · 10-06-2003, 10:45 AM

We all have to face facts.Untul we go 1-8, 1-9, Benson won\'t do anything as far as a coaching move. Brooks has got to be benched. Has it ever dawned on Haz or McCarthy that Brooks might actually BENEFIT by sitting for awhile? It happened to Culpepper in Minny and it worked wonders. The basic fact is, when you have a rb that has over 185 yards total offense and you can only manage one td, then you can only come to ONE conclusion. BAD QUARTERBACK PRODUCTION. PERIOD!!!

canucksaint · 10-06-2003, 11:05 AM

I do agree that making a switch at QB might help out things. But at this point I don\'t see any point for it. I don\'t think that AB\'s production is the main reason for our performance this year. I don\'t think that he is one of the top 5 QB\'s (like Billy was trying to tell us preseason). But there are many other reasons to the Saints losing, and it shouldn\'t all be blamed on AB. One of the main problems is the O line. Too bad we can\'t make an O-Line switch...

TheOriginalSwampdog · 10-06-2003, 11:07 AM

EXCUSE ME? The qb not the problem? How many times did AB get sacked yesterday? The offensive line played good enough to win, that\'s for sure. Having a qb throwing balls over the heads of wr\'s and throwing one in the dirt that was a fumble and losing us 8 yards, THAT\'S YOUR PROBLEM! Get a clue already, even the commentators were commenting on Brooks bad play. OPEN YOUR EYES! ELI MANNING-FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING THAT\'S HOLY!

JOESAM2002 · 10-06-2003, 11:14 AM

Talking about Ray Rhodes, It seems to me that last year there was this very wise sage of a man here at B&G that was calling for the Saints to hire Ray as the defensive co-ordinator. Boy was that guy smart. But now it would be impossible to get him to come as D. C. It would have to H.C. or nothing. Dopes anyone remember who that wise man was?

ME!LOLOLOLOLOL

nocloning · 10-06-2003, 11:28 AM

OPEN YOUR EYES! ELI MANNING-FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING THAT\'S HOLY!

My eyes were open yesterday and there was no Eli on the Saints sideline. That\'s exactly why I\'m against benching Brooks (at least for one more game): We don\'t really have a back-up who is starting QB material. If we still had Jake - maybe (although I\'m not his greatest fan and don\'t think he is the reason Carolina is 4-0). But to put Bouman in there - what\'s the point? \"It can\'t hurt, the Saints are gonna lose anyway\" ... not my approach.
Brooks still gives us the best chance to win a football game. The guy has learned nothing from what happened late last season and all this talk what he has been working on in the off-season - zero improvement. That\'s what annoys me the most. Ship him out of town at the end of the season and DRAFT ELI! But until then he\'ll be our QB. Deal with it.

canucksaint · 10-06-2003, 11:29 AM

Dog, would you read what I said and not what you think I said...

EXCUSE ME? The qb not the problem?

I said that AB was not the MAIN problem.
I\'m not saying that he was perfect. He was far from it. But when you have an O line that has more holes in it than swiss cheese... damn, the boy was running for his life the whole game. Would another QB not have to run? I doubt it. Should we change up the QB\'s? I didn\'t say it was a bad thing, I just didn\'t see a reason for it. But I\'m not ruling it out either. It may be good. We will wait and see.

TheOriginalSwampdog · 10-06-2003, 11:46 AM

3RD, come on guy. I can hear just as well as the next guy. Not one time did I hear one commentator say the offensive line was playing poorly. Quite the contrary, there was many a time that they said, \"Brooks had plenty of time to complete the pass and just didn\'t\". Brooks is playing poorly and he is one of the MAIN reasons we are not scoring right now. There can be NO doubt about that. If Brooks EVER learns how to STEP UP in the pocket, rather than from side to side, he may just have something, but to date, he has yet to show that ability.

saintz08 · 10-06-2003, 12:34 PM

Heard the commentator Say \" Brooks needs to drop the ball into the receiver \"

Saw Horn chew on Brooks a little on the sidelines . Wonder if Horn is going to get the Turley treatment ???

Saintsfan - Horn fell down ??? If at any point , most likely in amazement some one caught a deep pass ..... :P

Speaking of Turley . Does anyone know what Brooks grade was when he took those off season leadership classes ??? Do you think he got a little plaque to hang in his locker ???

10-06-2003, 08:18 AM	#11
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. Lovie Smith

10-06-2003, 09:49 AM	#12
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. I wouldn\'t be against it completely, but I don\'t see Haz gettin the AX anytime this year or at the end of it. I have less of a problem with Haz as I do with our O and D coordinators anyway. Furthermore, you can only play with what you\'ve got and our roster is delpeted. I\'m not makin\' excuses for Rick, and I do think we need another defensive coordinator. It must also be said that when the defense fails to stop anyone and your team is playing catch up ball from the first possession on it makes the offensive coordinator\'s job that much more difficult. Circumstances must be weighed before ya ax the guy, and with the injury problems the Saints have had this year and the fact that we\'ve had to play to VERY good teams with all those injury problems may not be an \"out\" or an excuse but it really does have to be considered. Of course 99.9 percent of you will disagree but then this board is infested with Brooks bashers. Again, I\'ll stick to my guns and tell you all there is NO REASON to bench AB. Even the TV announcers caught up to the dropped passes ya\'ll continue to excuse. Brooks made some \"not so good\" throws yesterday and he made some very good ones too. Of course Saintzs08 pops off about the deep ball INT -- but as usual he fails, due to his agenda, to acknowledge the fact that the receiver fell down. We had 344 total years yesterday against a VERY good defense. Pentalites and special temas play killed us. Funny how I\'ve yet to see that mentioned by anyone...oh, I forgot, this is the \"agenda\" board. What the hell did I expect?
	C'mon Man...

10-06-2003, 10:45 AM	#13
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. We all have to face facts.Untul we go 1-8, 1-9, Benson won\'t do anything as far as a coaching move. Brooks has got to be benched. Has it ever dawned on Haz or McCarthy that Brooks might actually BENEFIT by sitting for awhile? It happened to Culpepper in Minny and it worked wonders. The basic fact is, when you have a rb that has over 185 yards total offense and you can only manage one td, then you can only come to ONE conclusion. BAD QUARTERBACK PRODUCTION. PERIOD!!!

10-06-2003, 11:05 AM	#14
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. I do agree that making a switch at QB might help out things. But at this point I don\'t see any point for it. I don\'t think that AB\'s production is the main reason for our performance this year. I don\'t think that he is one of the top 5 QB\'s (like Billy was trying to tell us preseason). But there are many other reasons to the Saints losing, and it shouldn\'t all be blamed on AB. One of the main problems is the O line. Too bad we can\'t make an O-Line switch...

10-06-2003, 11:07 AM	#15
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. EXCUSE ME? The qb not the problem? How many times did AB get sacked yesterday? The offensive line played good enough to win, that\'s for sure. Having a qb throwing balls over the heads of wr\'s and throwing one in the dirt that was a fumble and losing us 8 yards, THAT\'S YOUR PROBLEM! Get a clue already, even the commentators were commenting on Brooks bad play. OPEN YOUR EYES! ELI MANNING-FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING THAT\'S HOLY!

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10-06-2003, 11:14 AM	#16
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. Talking about Ray Rhodes, It seems to me that last year there was this very wise sage of a man here at B&G that was calling for the Saints to hire Ray as the defensive co-ordinator. Boy was that guy smart. But now it would be impossible to get him to come as D. C. It would have to H.C. or nothing. Dopes anyone remember who that wise man was? ME!LOLOLOLOLOL

10-06-2003, 11:28 AM	#17
nocloning 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. OPEN YOUR EYES! ELI MANNING-FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING THAT\'S HOLY! My eyes were open yesterday and there was no Eli on the Saints sideline. That\'s exactly why I\'m against benching Brooks (at least for one more game): We don\'t really have a back-up who is starting QB material. If we still had Jake - maybe (although I\'m not his greatest fan and don\'t think he is the reason Carolina is 4-0). But to put Bouman in there - what\'s the point? \"It can\'t hurt, the Saints are gonna lose anyway\" ... not my approach. Brooks still gives us the best chance to win a football game. The guy has learned nothing from what happened late last season and all this talk what he has been working on in the off-season - zero improvement. That\'s what annoys me the most. Ship him out of town at the end of the season and DRAFT ELI! But until then he\'ll be our QB. Deal with it.
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10-06-2003, 11:29 AM	#18
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. Dog, would you read what I said and not what you think I said... EXCUSE ME? The qb not the problem? I said that AB was not the MAIN problem. I\'m not saying that he was perfect. He was far from it. But when you have an O line that has more holes in it than swiss cheese... damn, the boy was running for his life the whole game. Would another QB not have to run? I doubt it. Should we change up the QB\'s? I didn\'t say it was a bad thing, I just didn\'t see a reason for it. But I\'m not ruling it out either. It may be good. We will wait and see.

10-06-2003, 11:46 AM	#19
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. 3RD, come on guy. I can hear just as well as the next guy. Not one time did I hear one commentator say the offensive line was playing poorly. Quite the contrary, there was many a time that they said, \"Brooks had plenty of time to complete the pass and just didn\'t\". Brooks is playing poorly and he is one of the MAIN reasons we are not scoring right now. There can be NO doubt about that. If Brooks EVER learns how to STEP UP in the pocket, rather than from side to side, he may just have something, but to date, he has yet to show that ability.
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10-06-2003, 12:34 PM	#20
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	It's time ... gotta make a change this week. Heard the commentator Say \" Brooks needs to drop the ball into the receiver \" Saw Horn chew on Brooks a little on the sidelines . Wonder if Horn is going to get the Turley treatment ??? Saintsfan - Horn fell down ??? If at any point , most likely in amazement some one caught a deep pass ..... :P Speaking of Turley . Does anyone know what Brooks grade was when he took those off season leadership classes ??? Do you think he got a little plaque to hang in his locker ???
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