Maybe we need a new kicker.....

pherein · 09-26-2010, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He missed 40% of his FG's before today.

I'd call that shaky.

so seriously Danno, are we N.E. and letting go a vinatieri go? I know it hurts, and hes messing up, but that the answer. I hate hartley today, because we won easy, and SP made the write call and we lost.

in 2009 vinatieri got colts into the SB, this the road we want to take?

hartley Fd up, we lost, it was an easy kick, he Fd up

st thomas · 09-26-2010, 04:24 PM

pound the rock till the clowns stop us, thats all i expected from coach. pound pt. till we are 4th down or td the hell with kicking it. we saw what could have happened from the last few games. and guess what were 2-1 not a crucial 3-0 and still ahead of the clowns. my take any way.

pherein · 09-26-2010, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

pound the rock till the clowns stop us, thats all i expected from coach. pound pt. till we are 4th down or td the hell with kicking it. we saw what could have happened from the last few games. and guess what were 2-1 not a crucial 3-0 and still ahead of the clowns. my take any way.

hartley should have made that kick, its that simple

21Hilliard · 09-26-2010, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

hartley should have made that kick, its that simple

The defense should have played better all around. Run defense was porous. Atlanta killed us on 3rd down (something like 50% conversions), and the Falcons converted TWO 4th and 2s on that late 2nd quarter touchdown drive. The secondary was RAPED by the big play. Gonzales had a field day catching the ball, mostly in the first half, but the damage had been done.

Offense looked inoffensive at times. We didn't run the ball very much or very effectively- 16 attempts for 43 yards. We lived and died by the home run ball, and that killed us. Yes, Lance Moore had an 80 yard grab for a TD, but Brees also gave up an INT on a deep pass, which just killed the drive, and a couple more missed/dropped deep balls which led to 3 and outs.

Penalties! Stupid penalties all over the field. How man pass interference calls were there on us? Ayodele's horse collar tackle on 2-1 from our 1, it would have been 3rd-1 instead of 1-1.

Time of Possession: ATL 45:50 NOR 27:15. If you can't continue drives, you can't score points.

We beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame, NOT JUST the kicker.

The return game was kind of our only bright spot. Moore's return in the 1st quarter set us up for an easy 6 yard drive to score.

21Hilliard · 09-26-2010, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by strato

But despite all that ..we gave the game to Hartley and he choked..right?

But that's my point Strato, if we had taken care of things, we wouldn't have had to give the game to Hartley in the first place. Twice. Yes, Hartley blew it, but his was only the last in a string of failures all game long.

breesfan27 · 09-26-2010, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I disagreed with kicking on 1st down. We were moving the ball well. Why put it in the hands of a kicker who's looked bad all year?

Originally Posted by Cory9289

True, never know, Chris or PT coulda broke one for a TD.

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

1st down on the 11 and moving the ball well; should have just kept giving PT the ball...

Originally Posted by st thomas

they were giving up man, why not keep pounding the freakin ball they thru the damn towel in a few plays before.

Originally Posted by Crusader

No. The loss is on the team. The Saints couldn't run the ball, Brees threw 2 picks and one of the was really stupid. Ivory still has fumbling problems and the D couldn't stop anything. This loss was a team effort.

Originally Posted by 21Hilliard

The defense should have played better all around. Run defense was porous. Atlanta killed us on 3rd down (something like 50% conversions), and the Falcons converted TWO 4th and 2s on that late 2nd quarter touchdown drive. The secondary was RAPED by the big play. Gonzales had a field day catching the ball, mostly in the first half, but the damage had been done.

Offense looked inoffensive at times. We didn't run the ball very much or very effectively- 16 attempts for 43 yards. We lived and died by the home run ball, and that killed us. Yes, Lance Moore had an 80 yard grab for a TD, but Brees also gave up an INT on a deep pass, which just killed the drive, and a couple more missed/dropped deep balls which led to 3 and outs.

Penalties! Stupid penalties all over the field. How man pass interference calls were there on us? Ayodele's horse collar tackle on 2-1 from our 1, it would have been 3rd-1 instead of 1-1.

Time of Possession: ATL 45:50 NOR 27:15. If you can't continue drives, you can't score points.

We beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame, NOT JUST the kicker.

The return game was kind of our only bright spot. Moore's return in the 1st quarter set us up for an easy 6 yard drive to score.

ALLLLLLLL of this!

Don't put this all on Hartley, we lost as a TEAM!

foreverfan · 09-26-2010, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by breesfan27

ALLLLLLLL of this!

Don't put this all on Hartley, we lost as a TEAM!

Face it... you have a crush on him. You just think he's cute.

Halo · 09-26-2010, 04:34 PM

I have to say, regardless of the circumstance, I'm a little "shakey" when it comes to Hartley this season.

He just has not looked as solid as last season.

Yes he won it for us last week, but as someone pointed out, that kick looked tipped.

He could be our weakness this season.

st thomas · 09-26-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I have to say, regardless of the circumstance, I'm a little "shakey" when it comes to Hartley this season.

He just has not looked as solid as last season.

Yes he won it for us last week, but as someone pointed out, that kick looked tipped.

He could be our weakness this season.

all true halo but we know coach payton does'nt like to part with his draft picks.

st thomas · 09-26-2010, 04:35 PM

its hard to believe that payton lost faith in us holding on to the ball. it was a rookie he trusted to put in the game. ivory loss it. okay thats ivory not pt not evans not betts. on the other hand hartly missed more than we put the ball on the ground. and he went hartly and we missed it and were mad because of it. and it will all go away next week. but we can be upset. and should we bring in another kicker.

09-26-2010, 04:45 PM	#1
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno He missed 40% of his FG's before today. I'd call that shaky. so seriously Danno, are we N.E. and letting go a vinatieri go? I know it hurts, and hes messing up, but that the answer. I hate hartley today, because we won easy, and SP made the write call and we lost. in 2009 vinatieri got colts into the SB, this the road we want to take? hartley Fd up, we lost, it was an easy kick, he Fd up
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09-26-2010, 04:26 PM	#3
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by st thomas pound the rock till the clowns stop us, thats all i expected from coach. pound pt. till we are 4th down or td the hell with kicking it. we saw what could have happened from the last few games. and guess what were 2-1 not a crucial 3-0 and still ahead of the clowns. my take any way. hartley should have made that kick, its that simple

09-26-2010, 04:48 PM	#4
21Hilliard 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Raised on the Bayou - living in DFW Posts: 136	Originally Posted by pherein hartley should have made that kick, its that simple The defense should have played better all around. Run defense was porous. Atlanta killed us on 3rd down (something like 50% conversions), and the Falcons converted TWO 4th and 2s on that late 2nd quarter touchdown drive. The secondary was RAPED by the big play. Gonzales had a field day catching the ball, mostly in the first half, but the damage had been done. Offense looked inoffensive at times. We didn't run the ball very much or very effectively- 16 attempts for 43 yards. We lived and died by the home run ball, and that killed us. Yes, Lance Moore had an 80 yard grab for a TD, but Brees also gave up an INT on a deep pass, which just killed the drive, and a couple more missed/dropped deep balls which led to 3 and outs. Penalties! Stupid penalties all over the field. How man pass interference calls were there on us? Ayodele's horse collar tackle on 2-1 from our 1, it would have been 3rd-1 instead of 1-1. Time of Possession: ATL 45:50 NOR 27:15. If you can't continue drives, you can't score points. We beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame, NOT JUST the kicker. The return game was kind of our only bright spot. Moore's return in the 1st quarter set us up for an easy 6 yard drive to score.
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09-26-2010, 04:54 PM	#5
21Hilliard 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Raised on the Bayou - living in DFW Posts: 136	Originally Posted by strato But despite all that ..we gave the game to Hartley and he choked..right? But that's my point Strato, if we had taken care of things, we wouldn't have had to give the game to Hartley in the first place. Twice. Yes, Hartley blew it, but his was only the last in a string of failures all game long.

09-26-2010, 09:03 PM	#6
breesfan27 Mrs. Drew Brees Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Who Dat Nation (by way of South Dakota) Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by Danno I disagreed with kicking on 1st down. We were moving the ball well. Why put it in the hands of a kicker who's looked bad all year? Originally Posted by Cory9289 True, never know, Chris or PT coulda broke one for a TD. Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| 1st down on the 11 and moving the ball well; should have just kept giving PT the ball... Originally Posted by st thomas they were giving up man, why not keep pounding the freakin ball they thru the damn towel in a few plays before. Originally Posted by Crusader No. The loss is on the team. The Saints couldn't run the ball, Brees threw 2 picks and one of the was really stupid. Ivory still has fumbling problems and the D couldn't stop anything. This loss was a team effort. Originally Posted by 21Hilliard The defense should have played better all around. Run defense was porous. Atlanta killed us on 3rd down (something like 50% conversions), and the Falcons converted TWO 4th and 2s on that late 2nd quarter touchdown drive. The secondary was RAPED by the big play. Gonzales had a field day catching the ball, mostly in the first half, but the damage had been done. Offense looked inoffensive at times. We didn't run the ball very much or very effectively- 16 attempts for 43 yards. We lived and died by the home run ball, and that killed us. Yes, Lance Moore had an 80 yard grab for a TD, but Brees also gave up an INT on a deep pass, which just killed the drive, and a couple more missed/dropped deep balls which led to 3 and outs. Penalties! Stupid penalties all over the field. How man pass interference calls were there on us? Ayodele's horse collar tackle on 2-1 from our 1, it would have been 3rd-1 instead of 1-1. Time of Possession: ATL 45:50 NOR 27:15. If you can't continue drives, you can't score points. We beat ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame, NOT JUST the kicker. The return game was kind of our only bright spot. Moore's return in the 1st quarter set us up for an easy 6 yard drive to score. ALLLLLLLL of this! Don't put this all on Hartley, we lost as a TEAM!
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09-26-2010, 04:24 PM	#2
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	pound the rock till the clowns stop us, thats all i expected from coach. pound pt. till we are 4th down or td the hell with kicking it. we saw what could have happened from the last few games. and guess what were 2-1 not a crucial 3-0 and still ahead of the clowns. my take any way.

09-26-2010, 09:23 PM	#7
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by breesfan27 ALLLLLLLL of this! Don't put this all on Hartley, we lost as a TEAM! Face it... you have a crush on him. You just think he's cute.

09-26-2010, 04:34 PM	#8
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,867 Blog Entries: 45	I have to say, regardless of the circumstance, I'm a little "shakey" when it comes to Hartley this season. He just has not looked as solid as last season. Yes he won it for us last week, but as someone pointed out, that kick looked tipped. He could be our weakness this season.

09-26-2010, 04:41 PM	#9
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Originally Posted by Halo I have to say, regardless of the circumstance, I'm a little "shakey" when it comes to Hartley this season. He just has not looked as solid as last season. Yes he won it for us last week, but as someone pointed out, that kick looked tipped. He could be our weakness this season. all true halo but we know coach payton does'nt like to part with his draft picks.

09-26-2010, 04:35 PM	#10
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	its hard to believe that payton lost faith in us holding on to the ball. it was a rookie he trusted to put in the game. ivory loss it. okay thats ivory not pt not evans not betts. on the other hand hartly missed more than we put the ball on the ground. and he went hartly and we missed it and were mad because of it. and it will all go away next week. but we can be upset. and should we bring in another kicker.

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