Maybe we need a new kicker.....

breesfan27 · 09-26-2010, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

I'm just playing... I couldn't agree with you more. Stuff happens.

Sadly, if you could point to one play, that would be it. Sucks it came down to that. Hartley has the potential to be a good kicker.

It does suck, and I agree he does have potential. There's nothing we can do about it now. The game is over. We just need to focus on how we're going to beat Carolina next week.

foreverfan · 09-26-2010, 11:06 PM

Only one question left to ask....

WHAT WOULD BREESUS DO?

iceshack149 · 09-27-2010, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Only one question left to ask....

WHAT WOULD .....DO?

Choupique · 09-27-2010, 06:29 AM

Some of you are the most whiney, throw the baby out with the bathwater disloyal, crybaby couch potato douchebag whiner fans on the planet. Some of you sound like LSU fans.

Please move to Atlanta and become a dirty bird fan because you SUCK as a Saints fan. You're stripped of your Who Dat Republic citizen status.

I'll leave it to you to decide if you're on the list of whiney beotchfans or not. The following responses will determine that.

Should he have made the kicks? sure. No reason to whine. The season is young.

Try to be a better fan... You remind me of Viqueen fans, some of you.

TheOak · 09-27-2010, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by strato

Hartley make that kick and none of this exsist.....

I would agree with you %100 if this was the only one. He nearly lost the Minnesota game with a shank, he lost the game last night with a 27 yard shank, we lost to Tampa last year due to a missed 37 yarder...

He is at %57.1 for this season! And none of these misses are long field goals. He is missing chip shots.

To the people who want o keep him. How many more do you need?

NOLA54 · 09-27-2010, 12:24 PM

I am not making excuses for Hartley. Who held for him last season? Was is Brunnel? Still the entire thing doesn't rest on his shoulders. We had a chance to win in regulation. That was yesterday and we need to look forward. There is no reason to panic.

TheOak · 09-28-2010, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by strato

I agree.. but he would be safe for now had he made that chipshot...remember he nailed one earlier...

Safe? Only because I do not call the shots.

Do you like having a burn in your gut for EVERY field goal? I do not. I had the same feeling with Gramattica.

SaintsFan1967 · 09-28-2010, 10:35 AM

I agree with danno. We were moving the ball. There D was tired, don't stop pounding them 'til your in the end zone. If you don't make to the end zone and it's 4th down, then kick. This was a hard fought game. And the dirty birds came to play. But we won't underestimate them next time. You can believe dat.

Saint_LB · 09-28-2010, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsFan1967

I agree with danno. We were moving the ball. There D was tired, don't stop pounding them 'til your in the end zone. If you don't make to the end zone and it's 4th down, then kick. This was a hard fought game. And the dirty birds came to play. But we won't underestimate them next time. You can believe dat.

Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it.

fumble
pick
sack
penalties
player injured and out for season
touchdown
kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success

When you kick from that range...it is either good, and we win...or they get the ball from the 20 and the game goes on.

One other thing to consider. I'm pretty sure that a majority of coaches would have made the same call as Payton. If you decide against kicking it when it's a chipshot ...then you could be sending a message to your kicker. It could turn a slight mechanics problem into a huge head-case. I really do think that this entered into Payton's thought process.

Danno · 09-28-2010, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it.

fumble (could also happen on kick)

pick (I doubt Brees would force one at that stage of the game))

sack (not a huge diff in 27 and 34 yard FG either)

penalties (could also happen on kick)

player injured and out for season (could also happen on kick or at practice)

touchdown (likely, the way we were driving)

kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success
(which is why I'd rather give Brees 3 tries to win instead of zero).

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09-26-2010, 10:59 PM	#81
breesfan27 Mrs. Drew Brees Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Who Dat Nation (by way of South Dakota) Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by foreverfan I'm just playing... I couldn't agree with you more. Stuff happens. Sadly, if you could point to one play, that would be it. Sucks it came down to that. Hartley has the potential to be a good kicker. It does suck, and I agree he does have potential. There's nothing we can do about it now. The game is over. We just need to focus on how we're going to beat Carolina next week.

09-27-2010, 03:36 AM	#83
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by foreverfan Only one question left to ask.... WHAT WOULD .....DO?

09-27-2010, 06:29 AM	#84
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	Some of you are the most whiney, throw the baby out with the bathwater disloyal, crybaby couch potato douchebag whiner fans on the planet. Some of you sound like LSU fans. Please move to Atlanta and become a dirty bird fan because you SUCK as a Saints fan. You're stripped of your Who Dat Republic citizen status. I'll leave it to you to decide if you're on the list of whiney beotchfans or not. The following responses will determine that. Should he have made the kicks? sure. No reason to whine. The season is young. Try to be a better fan... You remind me of Viqueen fans, some of you.
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09-27-2010, 08:38 AM	#85
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by strato Hartley make that kick and none of this exsist..... I would agree with you %100 if this was the only one. He nearly lost the Minnesota game with a shank, he lost the game last night with a 27 yard shank, we lost to Tampa last year due to a missed 37 yarder... He is at %57.1 for this season! And none of these misses are long field goals. He is missing chip shots. To the people who want o keep him. How many more do you need?

09-28-2010, 09:01 AM	#87
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by strato I agree.. but he would be safe for now had he made that chipshot...remember he nailed one earlier... Safe? Only because I do not call the shots. Do you like having a burn in your gut for EVERY field goal? I do not. I had the same feeling with Gramattica.

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	I am not making excuses for Hartley. Who held for him last season? Was is Brunnel? Still the entire thing doesn't rest on his shoulders. We had a chance to win in regulation. That was yesterday and we need to look forward. There is no reason to panic.

09-28-2010, 10:35 AM	#88
SaintsFan1967 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 109	I agree with danno. We were moving the ball. There D was tired, don't stop pounding them 'til your in the end zone. If you don't make to the end zone and it's 4th down, then kick. This was a hard fought game. And the dirty birds came to play. But we won't underestimate them next time. You can believe dat.
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09-28-2010, 11:32 AM	#89
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by SaintsFan1967 I agree with danno. We were moving the ball. There D was tired, don't stop pounding them 'til your in the end zone. If you don't make to the end zone and it's 4th down, then kick. This was a hard fought game. And the dirty birds came to play. But we won't underestimate them next time. You can believe dat. Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it. fumble pick sack penalties player injured and out for season touchdown kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success When you kick from that range...it is either good, and we win...or they get the ball from the 20 and the game goes on. One other thing to consider. I'm pretty sure that a majority of coaches would have made the same call as Payton. If you decide against kicking it when it's a chipshot ...then you could be sending a message to your kicker. It could turn a slight mechanics problem into a huge head-case. I really do think that this entered into Payton's thought process.
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Whether you think you can or think you can't...you're right!

09-28-2010, 12:20 PM	#90
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by Saint_LB Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it. fumble (could also happen on kick) pick (I doubt Brees would force one at that stage of the game)) sack (not a huge diff in 27 and 34 yard FG either) penalties (could also happen on kick) player injured and out for season (could also happen on kick or at practice) touchdown (likely, the way we were driving) kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success (which is why I'd rather give Brees 3 tries to win instead of zero). Comments above in red