Ok, you're the boss...

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-28-2003, 11:47 AM

Tweeky --

I agree completely. It\'s unbeleivable what get\'s posted on here. I think some folks are willing to look at the truth for other teams but CANNOT do the same for the Saints. At least that sure appears that\'s the way it is to me. Just remember what some of the members here were posting before the season ever started. Now, maybe they will get proven right and they don\'t want to hear no excuses. They just want to say: \"See I told ya so.\"

saintfan · 10-28-2003, 12:00 PM

I think some folks are willing to look at the truth for other teams but CANNOT do the same for the Saints.

See ANYTHING posted by Saintz08.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-28-2003, 12:02 PM

See ANYTHING posted by Saintz08.

No thanks -- :P

saintz08 · 10-28-2003, 12:16 PM

Injury reports before the Saints and Panthers game .

NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
Carolina Panthers
Probable RB DeShaun Foster (thumb); S Mike Minter (back)
Questionable LB Brian Allen (groin); DT Brentson Buckner (hip); DT Shane Burton (groin); RB Nick Goings (concussion); WR Karl Hankton (hamstring); LB Dan Morgan (concussion); WR Muhsin Muhammad (concussion)

New Orleans Saints
Probable TE Ernie Conwell (shoulder); WR Michael Lewis (groin)
Questionable LB Sedrick Hodge (knee); DT Grady Jackson (finger); WR Donte\' Stallworth (thigh)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Probable CB Ronde Barber (hamstring); TE Ken Dilger (foot); QB Shaun King (ankle); LB Shelton Quarles (forearm/elbow); DE Simeon Rice (back); G Jason Whittle (shoulder)
Questionable T Roman Oben (hand)
Doubtful WR Joe Jurevicius (knee); S John Lynch (shoulder)

Indianapolis Colts
Probable TE Dallas Clark (foot/hamstring); CB Walt Harris (knee); RB Edgerrin James (back); DT Montae Reagor (knee); RB Dominic Rhodes (knee); C Jeff Saturday (back); RB Detron Smith (head); C Justin Snow (elbow); LB Marcus Washington (foot)
Questionable CB Cliff Crosby (groin); T Ryan Diem (ankle); T Tarik Glenn (knee); CB Joseph Jefferson (pelvis); T Adam Meadows (knee)
Doubtful RB Ricky Williams (ankle)

Kansas City Chiefs
Probable LB Shawn Barber (knee); RB Derrick Blaylock (hamstring/hip); WR Marc Boerigter (toe); DT John Browning (shoulder); QB Trent Green (thigh); RB Priest Holmes (shoulder); LB Kawika Mitchell (hamstring); WR Johnnie Morton (ankle); S Greg Wesley (knee); S Jerome Woods (shoulder)
Questionable LB Fred Jones (foot); CB Dexter McCleon (thigh); DE R-Kal Truluck (ankle)

Injuries are all part of it .

[Edited on 28/10/2003 by saintz08]

[Edited on 28/10/2003 by saintz08]

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-28-2003, 12:25 PM

08 -- Are we supposed to believe that injuries don\'t cause teams to lose games? Sure, injuries are part of it, and everyone has them. But, if injuries don\'t matter, then why do they affect the betting line in Vegas?

[Edited on 28/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-28-2003, 12:40 PM

Injuries play an important factor in determining which teams will make the NFL playoffs. Injuries not only affect the playoffs picks but also influence online football bets from week to week. For example, if a team was favored to win the Super Bowl, however the star quarterback goes down with a season ending injury, the odds will have to change dramatically.

Many teams in the past have not made the playoffs due to unexpected injuries. Many of the writers and odds makers had to change the Super Bowl odds due to these injuries. Pro football betting along with NFL football picks is so very difficult to calculate and predict.

http://www.footballpicksinfo.com/

saintz08 · 10-28-2003, 12:42 PM

Billy ,

Simply because injuries can effect the outcome of a game .

Does not mean they do , just means they can .

Wonder what the point spread went to for the Patriots when Bledsoe went down ??

Then again Warner and Faulk for the Rams ?

Fiedler for the Dolphins ?

James for the Colts ???

[Edited on 28/10/2003 by saintz08]

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-28-2003, 12:46 PM

08 -- Nice try, but.................

Can you name me ANY team that loses 6 starters on defense and it DOESN\'T effect the outcome?

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-28-2003, 12:55 PM

08 --

I see where you edited your previous post to give some examples of injuries where teams won despite those injuries.

First of all, you can attempt to make a case by giving those examples, but it\'s a poor one. There have no doubt been teams that DID NOT make the playoffs because of injuries. So, you can sit there and say that injuries are no excuse for a team not being successful and show me where teams have done well, even with injuries, but to say that injuries DO NOT play a big part in the outcome of a game is RIDICULOS.

[Edited on 28/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

saintfan · 10-28-2003, 12:58 PM

Injuries don\'t make a difference? Is this was the old man of the sea (Saintz08) is trying to argue. Tell ya what 08, get off the Kool-Aid and see the \"Atlanta Flacons\", and then go take your afternoon nap old man.

10-28-2003, 11:47 AM	#11
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Ok, you're the boss... Tweeky -- I agree completely. It\'s unbeleivable what get\'s posted on here. I think some folks are willing to look at the truth for other teams but CANNOT do the same for the Saints. At least that sure appears that\'s the way it is to me. Just remember what some of the members here were posting before the season ever started. Now, maybe they will get proven right and they don\'t want to hear no excuses. They just want to say: \"See I told ya so.\"
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10-28-2003, 12:00 PM	#12
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Ok, you're the boss... I think some folks are willing to look at the truth for other teams but CANNOT do the same for the Saints. See ANYTHING posted by Saintz08.

10-28-2003, 12:02 PM	#13
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Ok, you're the boss... See ANYTHING posted by Saintz08. No thanks -- :P
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10-28-2003, 12:16 PM	#14
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Ok, you're the boss... Injury reports before the Saints and Panthers game . NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE Carolina Panthers Probable RB DeShaun Foster (thumb); S Mike Minter (back) Questionable LB Brian Allen (groin); DT Brentson Buckner (hip); DT Shane Burton (groin); RB Nick Goings (concussion); WR Karl Hankton (hamstring); LB Dan Morgan (concussion); WR Muhsin Muhammad (concussion) New Orleans Saints Probable TE Ernie Conwell (shoulder); WR Michael Lewis (groin) Questionable LB Sedrick Hodge (knee); DT Grady Jackson (finger); WR Donte\' Stallworth (thigh) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Probable CB Ronde Barber (hamstring); TE Ken Dilger (foot); QB Shaun King (ankle); LB Shelton Quarles (forearm/elbow); DE Simeon Rice (back); G Jason Whittle (shoulder) Questionable T Roman Oben (hand) Doubtful WR Joe Jurevicius (knee); S John Lynch (shoulder) Indianapolis Colts Probable TE Dallas Clark (foot/hamstring); CB Walt Harris (knee); RB Edgerrin James (back); DT Montae Reagor (knee); RB Dominic Rhodes (knee); C Jeff Saturday (back); RB Detron Smith (head); C Justin Snow (elbow); LB Marcus Washington (foot) Questionable CB Cliff Crosby (groin); T Ryan Diem (ankle); T Tarik Glenn (knee); CB Joseph Jefferson (pelvis); T Adam Meadows (knee) Doubtful RB Ricky Williams (ankle) Kansas City Chiefs Probable LB Shawn Barber (knee); RB Derrick Blaylock (hamstring/hip); WR Marc Boerigter (toe); DT John Browning (shoulder); QB Trent Green (thigh); RB Priest Holmes (shoulder); LB Kawika Mitchell (hamstring); WR Johnnie Morton (ankle); S Greg Wesley (knee); S Jerome Woods (shoulder) Questionable LB Fred Jones (foot); CB Dexter McCleon (thigh); DE R-Kal Truluck (ankle) Injuries are all part of it . [Edited on 28/10/2003 by saintz08] [Edited on 28/10/2003 by saintz08]
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BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Ok, you're the boss... 08 -- Are we supposed to believe that injuries don\'t cause teams to lose games? Sure, injuries are part of it, and everyone has them. But, if injuries don\'t matter, then why do they affect the betting line in Vegas? [Edited on 28/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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10-28-2003, 12:40 PM	#16
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Ok, you're the boss... Injuries play an important factor in determining which teams will make the NFL playoffs. Injuries not only affect the playoffs picks but also influence online football bets from week to week. For example, if a team was favored to win the Super Bowl, however the star quarterback goes down with a season ending injury, the odds will have to change dramatically. Many teams in the past have not made the playoffs due to unexpected injuries. Many of the writers and odds makers had to change the Super Bowl odds due to these injuries. Pro football betting along with NFL football picks is so very difficult to calculate and predict. http://www.footballpicksinfo.com/
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10-28-2003, 12:42 PM	#17
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Ok, you're the boss... Billy , Simply because injuries can effect the outcome of a game . Does not mean they do , just means they can . Wonder what the point spread went to for the Patriots when Bledsoe went down ?? Then again Warner and Faulk for the Rams ? Fiedler for the Dolphins ? James for the Colts ??? [Edited on 28/10/2003 by saintz08]
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10-28-2003, 12:46 PM	#18
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Ok, you're the boss... 08 -- Nice try, but................. Can you name me ANY team that loses 6 starters on defense and it DOESN\'T effect the outcome?
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10-28-2003, 12:55 PM	#19
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Ok, you're the boss... 08 -- I see where you edited your previous post to give some examples of injuries where teams won despite those injuries. First of all, you can attempt to make a case by giving those examples, but it\'s a poor one. There have no doubt been teams that DID NOT make the playoffs because of injuries. So, you can sit there and say that injuries are no excuse for a team not being successful and show me where teams have done well, even with injuries, but to say that injuries DO NOT play a big part in the outcome of a game is RIDICULOS. [Edited on 28/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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10-28-2003, 12:58 PM	#20
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Ok, you're the boss... Injuries don\'t make a difference? Is this was the old man of the sea (Saintz08) is trying to argue. Tell ya what 08, get off the Kool-Aid and see the \"Atlanta Flacons\", and then go take your afternoon nap old man.