Will we have a new HC?

rich006 · 11-10-2003, 04:50 PM

Canucksaint,
Nobody here hates the Saints. Some of us are just looking for one big change that will result in success (i.e. change coaches or QB\'s). My opinion is that a lot of little changes would make the difference (a few key players start doing some things better, some changes in play-calling, etc.), but NOBODY knows how to make that happen. If some coach/GM had that kind of ability, that coach/GM\'s team would be in the playoffs every year.

On to the subject of underachieving. Last year, we saw the Saints consistently play to the level of their opponents. That tells you that when they weren\'t beating Tampa, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and other future playoff teams, they were underachieving. Or were they overachieving in those big victories last year? Either way, it would be nice to see the team rising to the same level nearly every week, as champions do. Can the coach make that happen on his own? If you think so, then Haslett should be blamed for the team\'s inconsistency. If you don\'t think so, then you have to think we need more leadership from the players, as demonstrated by Ray Lewis, Steve McNair, or any number of players on other teams. I don\'t believe the coach can do it on his own.

We don\'t need to fire Haslett; we need a leader to step up from among the players. I hear Deuce has been doing that lately; I hope it\'s true and will continue.

rich006 · 11-10-2003, 04:53 PM

Sorry Canucksaint,
That should have been addressed to saintfan. My bad.

BlackandBlue · 11-10-2003, 04:55 PM

In other words BandB, your speculating.

Don\'t we all?

I liken this argument to a sales manager position. If a sales rep underachieves, he gets his ass canned. If a sales team underachieves, the sales manager gets his ass canned, because he is in charge of the team. Is that real hard to understand? Joe Horn may have dropped some passes, and if he were the only one, I would have him benched. But the \"dropped passes\" seem to be a trend amongst almost everyone on the team...see where I\'m going?

you\'re, not your

[Edited on 10/11/2003 by BlackandBlue]

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-10-2003, 05:05 PM

If they do well we credit Mueller. We ONLY credit Jim for the talent on this team if they do poorly.

Exactly !! You see it. I see it. And, anyone that is willing to look at the truth can see it. It\'s called an AGENDA. Which is the reason I agree with saintfan, that it\'s a damn good thing the fans don\'t make these decisions.

The FACT is that Mueller is responsible for about 75% of the players on this current roster. So , be sure that you are calling for Mueller to never be a GM in this league again, if you want to be fair. And don\'t forget that it was Mueller that hired Haslett.

Mike Holmgren would have damn sure been fired from the Seahawks job using the same criteria that is being used for Haslett. Does this make Holgren a bad coach? Of course not !! It just mean that the plan just didn\'t go exactly like the FANS wanted it to. Which is exacly the reason the owner of the Seahawks didn\'t listen to the fans last year and fire Holmgren.

I think everytime someone on here calls for Haslett to be fired it should be followed with the fact that none of you are qualified to be making that statement. Oh, and I\'ve already admitted I\'m not.

BlackandBlue · 11-10-2003, 05:10 PM

I think everytime someone on here calls for Haslett to be fired it should be followed with the fact that none of you are qualified to be making that statement. Oh, and I\'ve already admitted I\'m not.

If you want to stiffle contradictory opinions, just email Halo a list of people you think should be banned from the site, and save yourself the headache.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-10-2003, 05:15 PM

If you want to stiffle contradictory opinions, just email Halo a list of people you think should be banned from the site, and save yourself the headache.

How you managed to come up with that statement from what I posted, I have no idea. I\'m just stating the facts. I liken it to an auto machenic calling for a sales rep. to be fired.
Of course B&B maybe you might be qualified to be a GM. I don\'t know.

I don\'t care if everyone on here is calling for Haslett to be fired. As far as I\'m concerned, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I enjoy reading EVERYONE of them.

saintfan · 11-10-2003, 05:35 PM

If the only thing you can safely corrrect about a post is a typo (ala Saintz08) then why bother? Keep drinkin\' that 08er-aid bandb...sooner or later it\'ll be your downfall.

saintfan · 11-10-2003, 05:40 PM

If you want to stiffle contradictory opinions, just email Halo a list of people you think should be banned from the site, and save yourself the headache.

I don\'t want to stifle (that\'s with ONE \"F\" and not two

) anyone\'s opinion. My only hope is to point out over zealous short-sighted ones.

:P

BlackandBlue · 11-10-2003, 05:55 PM

How long did it take you to comb over my posts until you found that one?

If the only thing you can safely corrrect about a post is a typo

Webster\'s called, it wants the 3rd \"R\" you used in \"correct\" back.

This is fun, let\'s try some others.

saintfan · 11-10-2003, 05:57 PM

Actually BandB, I saw it right away...just returning the favor.

Unfortunately, there\'s only so much I can do. The rest is up to you.

11-10-2003, 04:50 PM	#41
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Will we have a new HC? Canucksaint, Nobody here hates the Saints. Some of us are just looking for one big change that will result in success (i.e. change coaches or QB\'s). My opinion is that a lot of little changes would make the difference (a few key players start doing some things better, some changes in play-calling, etc.), but NOBODY knows how to make that happen. If some coach/GM had that kind of ability, that coach/GM\'s team would be in the playoffs every year. On to the subject of underachieving. Last year, we saw the Saints consistently play to the level of their opponents. That tells you that when they weren\'t beating Tampa, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and other future playoff teams, they were underachieving. Or were they overachieving in those big victories last year? Either way, it would be nice to see the team rising to the same level nearly every week, as champions do. Can the coach make that happen on his own? If you think so, then Haslett should be blamed for the team\'s inconsistency. If you don\'t think so, then you have to think we need more leadership from the players, as demonstrated by Ray Lewis, Steve McNair, or any number of players on other teams. I don\'t believe the coach can do it on his own. We don\'t need to fire Haslett; we need a leader to step up from among the players. I hear Deuce has been doing that lately; I hope it\'s true and will continue.
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	"I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain."

11-10-2003, 04:53 PM	#42
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Will we have a new HC? Sorry Canucksaint, That should have been addressed to saintfan. My bad.
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11-10-2003, 04:55 PM	#43
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Will we have a new HC? In other words BandB, your speculating. Don\'t we all? I liken this argument to a sales manager position. If a sales rep underachieves, he gets his ass canned. If a sales team underachieves, the sales manager gets his ass canned, because he is in charge of the team. Is that real hard to understand? Joe Horn may have dropped some passes, and if he were the only one, I would have him benched. But the \"dropped passes\" seem to be a trend amongst almost everyone on the team...see where I\'m going? you\'re, not your [Edited on 10/11/2003 by BlackandBlue]

11-10-2003, 05:05 PM	#44
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? If they do well we credit Mueller. We ONLY credit Jim for the talent on this team if they do poorly. Exactly !! You see it. I see it. And, anyone that is willing to look at the truth can see it. It\'s called an AGENDA. Which is the reason I agree with saintfan, that it\'s a damn good thing the fans don\'t make these decisions. The FACT is that Mueller is responsible for about 75% of the players on this current roster. So , be sure that you are calling for Mueller to never be a GM in this league again, if you want to be fair. And don\'t forget that it was Mueller that hired Haslett. Mike Holmgren would have damn sure been fired from the Seahawks job using the same criteria that is being used for Haslett. Does this make Holgren a bad coach? Of course not !! It just mean that the plan just didn\'t go exactly like the FANS wanted it to. Which is exacly the reason the owner of the Seahawks didn\'t listen to the fans last year and fire Holmgren. I think everytime someone on here calls for Haslett to be fired it should be followed with the fact that none of you are qualified to be making that statement. Oh, and I\'ve already admitted I\'m not.

11-10-2003, 05:10 PM	#45
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Will we have a new HC? I think everytime someone on here calls for Haslett to be fired it should be followed with the fact that none of you are qualified to be making that statement. Oh, and I\'ve already admitted I\'m not. If you want to stiffle contradictory opinions, just email Halo a list of people you think should be banned from the site, and save yourself the headache.

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11-10-2003, 05:15 PM	#46
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? If you want to stiffle contradictory opinions, just email Halo a list of people you think should be banned from the site, and save yourself the headache. How you managed to come up with that statement from what I posted, I have no idea. I\'m just stating the facts. I liken it to an auto machenic calling for a sales rep. to be fired. Of course B&B maybe you might be qualified to be a GM. I don\'t know. I don\'t care if everyone on here is calling for Haslett to be fired. As far as I\'m concerned, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I enjoy reading EVERYONE of them.

11-10-2003, 05:35 PM	#47
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Will we have a new HC? If the only thing you can safely corrrect about a post is a typo (ala Saintz08) then why bother? Keep drinkin\' that 08er-aid bandb...sooner or later it\'ll be your downfall.

11-10-2003, 05:40 PM	#48
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Will we have a new HC? If you want to stiffle contradictory opinions, just email Halo a list of people you think should be banned from the site, and save yourself the headache. I don\'t want to stifle (that\'s with ONE \"F\" and not two ) anyone\'s opinion. My only hope is to point out over zealous short-sighted ones. :P

11-10-2003, 05:55 PM	#49
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Will we have a new HC? How long did it take you to comb over my posts until you found that one? If the only thing you can safely corrrect about a post is a typo Webster\'s called, it wants the 3rd \"R\" you used in \"correct\" back. This is fun, let\'s try some others.

11-10-2003, 05:57 PM	#50
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Will we have a new HC? Actually BandB, I saw it right away...just returning the favor. Unfortunately, there\'s only so much I can do. The rest is up to you.