Will we have a new HC?

canucksaint · 11-07-2003, 10:49 AM

I saw on CBS Sportsline an article talking about how safe HC's jobs are this season.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6811312
And I was wondering what people are now thinking about our coaches and their stability? A couple of weeks ago many people were talking about getting rid of Haz, Venturi and McCarthy. Is this still what people feel would be best? If it is, then who, based on the Sportsline article (and names mentioned there) would be the best to fill the shoes, and what would be the probablity of getting them?

tweeky · 11-07-2003, 10:56 AM

It looks like this staff is getting it together. If we play lights out for the rest of the season I don\'t think a change will be made, or should be.

If we tank again, heads will roll, and they should.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-07-2003, 11:08 AM

A couple of weeks ago many people were talking about getting rid of Haz, Venturi and McCarthy. Is this still what people feel would be best?

Most of the folks that were screaming to get rid of Haslett and company, not only wanted the coaches gone, but about half of the players. Back in \"the day\" coaches were allowed more time to build a winning team. Now days it seems that a coach must have instant success or the fans want him gone. With free agency being what it is, it has changed the fan\'s expectations.

I\'ve had some to tell me that Haslett has had enough time and he will never be able to get the job done. This may or may not be true. There have certainly been coaches that didn\'t get the job done in their first 4-years that later went on to win the super bowl, so I can\'t buy into that theory. There is much more than just coaching that is responsible for the success of a team. Just look at Dan Reeves. He has been to multiple super bowls and everyone is calling for his head this year. I don\'t think this is a result of Reeves\' coaching skills. But, he get\'s blamed none-the-less.

Maybe I\'m more loyal to the coaches than most, but I\'m in favor or Haslett returning. I want to see him finish what he has started here in New Orleans and I believe he deserves the chance.

[Edited on 7/11/2003 by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-]

BlackandBlue · 11-07-2003, 11:28 AM

Haslett has had enough time. We know that this team is loaded with talent and is underachieving (overall). If he does not make the playoffs this year, consider it a failure, and the coaching staff should be purged. I\'ve already gone on record by stating that I would like to see Maurice Carthon brought in to be the head coach. If it is true that he is a Parcell\'s clone, that can only be a good thing. Let him hire his own coaching staff- no remnants from staffs of the past.
And nothing should be done with the current roster. Leave it for Carthon to decide what direction he wants to go.

[Edited on 7/11/2003 by BlackandBlue]

canucksaint · 11-07-2003, 11:31 AM

Billy, IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m not saying get rid of Haz yet, but IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ll reserve that call till the end of the season. But I have to wonder how long you want to give him to prove himself? When we have a loosing season? When we lose 4 in a row to crap teams? When we go 1-15? His record has been on a steady decline since he came in. Yea, I know in his first year we won our first play off game, but was that not essentially DitkaÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s team? Why has McCarthy not been able to put up the points with all the talent we have? In the past couple weekÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s people are now jumping behind Venturi. Where previously no one supported him. Was the defense that amazing by letting TB get back into the game in the 4th? How about the loss to Carolina? DonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t get me wrong. I think the D has improved, but is it where it should be? Would it be better with a different D coordinator?

deadflatbird · 11-07-2003, 11:37 AM

Well... I think there will at least be some staff changes. I think Venturi is gone... it will take a near miricle for the organization to keep him.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-07-2003, 11:38 AM

canucksaint -- Everyone seems to want to base their decision whether or not to fire Haslett on wins/losses. Not me. I have to look at the reasons for those losses. Were they a result of coaching decisions? Were they the result of injuries? Were they the result of losing against the better team? Most want to point out the collapses of the last two seasons and I understand that. But, the truth is, to effectively evaluate Haslett, you would need to go back and watch every game tape, of every game and weigh everything. At least that\'s what I would do. Maybe it would show that Haslett was most responsible. I don\'t know and I don\'t think any of you do either. Can any of you tell me what games coaching cost us to lose?

[Edited on 7/11/2003 by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-]

saintfan · 11-07-2003, 11:39 AM

A special teams Breakdown cost us the first Carolina game. The refs cost us the second one. The team didn\'t play that well in the opener and have fought adversity all season long. The team appears to be behind coach Haz from what I can see and read. I think you have to give Jim the rest of this year and next. I know that ya don\'t make an excuse out of injury, but this team was really crippled with all the injuries on defense early this year, and as McCarthy has said, it\'s difficult to run your game plan when you\'re always playing from behind. Right or wrong, I think Jim gets at least one more year here, and honestly I think he deserves it.

canucksaint · 11-07-2003, 11:47 AM

He admitted to being out coached for a couple games this year (Titans and Panthers I think). I agree that basing it off win/loss record may not be the best judge. We also have to look at which games we lost to better teams. Like last year... Det. Car. Chi. Cin. Min?? I guess those were all standout teams? This year injuries have really cripplied us. But that is part of the game. I agree with saintfan in giving Haz one more year. As for McCarthy and Venturi...don\'t let the door hit you on the way out.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-07-2003, 11:55 AM

He admitted to being out coached for a couple games this year (Titans and Panthers I think). I agree that basing it off win/loss record may not be the best judge. We also have to look at which games we lost to better teams. Like last year... Det. Car. Chi. Cin. Min?? I guess those were all standout teams? This year injuries have really cripplied us. But that is part of the game. I agree with saintfan in giving Haz one more year. As for McCarthy and Venturi...don\'t let the door hit you on the way out.

The only game Haslett admited to being out coached was the Titans game. Also, we did not lose to Chicago last year. The loss against Carolina.....well, Carloina was playing as good as anyone at the end of last year. The Bengals game and Detroit game we should have won but I beleive Deuce was hurt in those games. That old cliche\' that injuries is no excuse is BS in my opinion. Every teams loses games that they should have won. Just look around the league this year. I beleive the Panthers lost to the Huston last week?

I\'ll be the first to admit that I really am not the best one to be calling for coaches to be fired. I don\'t have the knowledge or the resourses to be making those decisions.

11-07-2003, 10:49 AM	#1
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Will we have a new HC? I saw on CBS Sportsline an article talking about how safe HC's jobs are this season. http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6811312 And I was wondering what people are now thinking about our coaches and their stability? A couple of weeks ago many people were talking about getting rid of Haz, Venturi and McCarthy. Is this still what people feel would be best? If it is, then who, based on the Sportsline article (and names mentioned there) would be the best to fill the shoes, and what would be the probablity of getting them?

11-07-2003, 10:56 AM	#2
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Will we have a new HC? It looks like this staff is getting it together. If we play lights out for the rest of the season I don\'t think a change will be made, or should be. If we tank again, heads will roll, and they should.

11-07-2003, 11:08 AM	#3
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? A couple of weeks ago many people were talking about getting rid of Haz, Venturi and McCarthy. Is this still what people feel would be best? Most of the folks that were screaming to get rid of Haslett and company, not only wanted the coaches gone, but about half of the players. Back in \"the day\" coaches were allowed more time to build a winning team. Now days it seems that a coach must have instant success or the fans want him gone. With free agency being what it is, it has changed the fan\'s expectations. I\'ve had some to tell me that Haslett has had enough time and he will never be able to get the job done. This may or may not be true. There have certainly been coaches that didn\'t get the job done in their first 4-years that later went on to win the super bowl, so I can\'t buy into that theory. There is much more than just coaching that is responsible for the success of a team. Just look at Dan Reeves. He has been to multiple super bowls and everyone is calling for his head this year. I don\'t think this is a result of Reeves\' coaching skills. But, he get\'s blamed none-the-less. Maybe I\'m more loyal to the coaches than most, but I\'m in favor or Haslett returning. I want to see him finish what he has started here in New Orleans and I believe he deserves the chance. [Edited on 7/11/2003 by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-]

11-07-2003, 11:28 AM	#4
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Will we have a new HC? Haslett has had enough time. We know that this team is loaded with talent and is underachieving (overall). If he does not make the playoffs this year, consider it a failure, and the coaching staff should be purged. I\'ve already gone on record by stating that I would like to see Maurice Carthon brought in to be the head coach. If it is true that he is a Parcell\'s clone, that can only be a good thing. Let him hire his own coaching staff- no remnants from staffs of the past. And nothing should be done with the current roster. Leave it for Carthon to decide what direction he wants to go. [Edited on 7/11/2003 by BlackandBlue]
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

11-07-2003, 11:31 AM	#5
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Will we have a new HC? Billy, IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m not saying get rid of Haz yet, but IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ll reserve that call till the end of the season. But I have to wonder how long you want to give him to prove himself? When we have a loosing season? When we lose 4 in a row to crap teams? When we go 1-15? His record has been on a steady decline since he came in. Yea, I know in his first year we won our first play off game, but was that not essentially DitkaÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s team? Why has McCarthy not been able to put up the points with all the talent we have? In the past couple weekÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s people are now jumping behind Venturi. Where previously no one supported him. Was the defense that amazing by letting TB get back into the game in the 4th? How about the loss to Carolina? DonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t get me wrong. I think the D has improved, but is it where it should be? Would it be better with a different D coordinator?

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11-07-2003, 11:37 AM	#6
deadflatbird 100th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 255	Will we have a new HC? Well... I think there will at least be some staff changes. I think Venturi is gone... it will take a near miricle for the organization to keep him.

11-07-2003, 11:38 AM	#7
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? canucksaint -- Everyone seems to want to base their decision whether or not to fire Haslett on wins/losses. Not me. I have to look at the reasons for those losses. Were they a result of coaching decisions? Were they the result of injuries? Were they the result of losing against the better team? Most want to point out the collapses of the last two seasons and I understand that. But, the truth is, to effectively evaluate Haslett, you would need to go back and watch every game tape, of every game and weigh everything. At least that\'s what I would do. Maybe it would show that Haslett was most responsible. I don\'t know and I don\'t think any of you do either. Can any of you tell me what games coaching cost us to lose? [Edited on 7/11/2003 by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-]

11-07-2003, 11:39 AM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Will we have a new HC? A special teams Breakdown cost us the first Carolina game. The refs cost us the second one. The team didn\'t play that well in the opener and have fought adversity all season long. The team appears to be behind coach Haz from what I can see and read. I think you have to give Jim the rest of this year and next. I know that ya don\'t make an excuse out of injury, but this team was really crippled with all the injuries on defense early this year, and as McCarthy has said, it\'s difficult to run your game plan when you\'re always playing from behind. Right or wrong, I think Jim gets at least one more year here, and honestly I think he deserves it.
	C'mon Man...

11-07-2003, 11:47 AM	#9
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Will we have a new HC? He admitted to being out coached for a couple games this year (Titans and Panthers I think). I agree that basing it off win/loss record may not be the best judge. We also have to look at which games we lost to better teams. Like last year... Det. Car. Chi. Cin. Min?? I guess those were all standout teams? This year injuries have really cripplied us. But that is part of the game. I agree with saintfan in giving Haz one more year. As for McCarthy and Venturi...don\'t let the door hit you on the way out.

11-07-2003, 11:55 AM	#10
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? He admitted to being out coached for a couple games this year (Titans and Panthers I think). I agree that basing it off win/loss record may not be the best judge. We also have to look at which games we lost to better teams. Like last year... Det. Car. Chi. Cin. Min?? I guess those were all standout teams? This year injuries have really cripplied us. But that is part of the game. I agree with saintfan in giving Haz one more year. As for McCarthy and Venturi...don\'t let the door hit you on the way out. The only game Haslett admited to being out coached was the Titans game. Also, we did not lose to Chicago last year. The loss against Carolina.....well, Carloina was playing as good as anyone at the end of last year. The Bengals game and Detroit game we should have won but I beleive Deuce was hurt in those games. That old cliche\' that injuries is no excuse is BS in my opinion. Every teams loses games that they should have won. Just look around the league this year. I beleive the Panthers lost to the Huston last week? I\'ll be the first to admit that I really am not the best one to be calling for coaches to be fired. I don\'t have the knowledge or the resourses to be making those decisions.