Will Smith arrested in Lafayette - Domestic abuse (Updated)

11-27-2010, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

There's no excuse to hit a women

Yes there is.

Halo · 11-27-2010, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by 504state

How can someone MAKE someone do something like that. He has control of his actions whatever he did or didnt do he did or didnt do on his own. The statement that a woman can make a man hit her is one of the most backwoods, unintelligent things I have ever heard.

When did I make a "statement that a woman can make a man hit her"??

I asked if anyone knew what happened to make him go bizzerk. She may have done nothing but Will Smith isn't known for just beating his wife up, unless I'm wrong.

jnormand · 11-27-2010, 03:18 PM

Ok, some of you know what I do so I'll chime in on this one....

First: The police witnessed the two arguing. Then they saw it "escalate" and they saw him grab her by the hair and drag her.

Now, I don't know Louisiana state law, but I know Idaho law and most states have similar domestic abuse laws. In some states, police don't have to witness a battery (especially domestic battery) actually occur to make and arrest. They just have to have enough evidence to show cause for an arrest. As someone suggested earlier, police cannot arrest someone on a charge of domestic battery (or any other charge) if they don't have the evidence to show that a crime occurred and the suspect is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I find it hard to believe that there is any state or local agency that would advocate the arrest of an individual after a "non-violent family fight" or "arguement". That is against the U.S. Constitution. What they can do is have one party leave or "suggest" that one party leave to let things cool down.

In Idaho (again not sure about Louisiana), the victim of domestic abuse does not have to press charges on the suspect. If the police have enough evidence to show that the suspect did indeed commit the crime, they can arrest and the state charges the suspect. This is because of the "battered wife syndrome" as some call it, in which the victim is too afraid of retalitation to actually press charges.

Bottom line is this: From what I read on NFL.com, the police witnessed the battery occur. Which probably means they arrested Will for a crime that they witnessed occur. This means, the charges may or may not have been pressed by Will's wife and it also means that he will not get a plea bargain or deal. The fact the officers witnessed it makes it that much stronger of a case.

CheramieIII · 11-27-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by 504state

How can someone MAKE someone do something like that. He has control of his actions whatever he did or didnt do he did or didnt do on his own. The statement that a woman can make a man hit her is one of the most backwoods, unintelligent things I have ever heard.

Ditto 504. I just don't see the logic around getting physical with a girl and in Halo's defense I think he meant he just wanted to know what she did or said to make him that angry? Maybe it was the Dixie

jnormand · 11-27-2010, 03:23 PM

I'm not trying to get into a big hoopla with anyone...just wanted to let everyone know what I gathered from the report on NFL.com and what the legal situation might be.

504state · 11-27-2010, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Ditto 504. I just don't see the logic around getting physical with a girl and in Halo's defense I think he meant he just wanted to know what she did or said to make him that angry? Maybe it was the Dixie

I wasnt talking about Halo in particular, his statement reminded me of hearing people say that.

Halo · 11-27-2010, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Ditto 504. I just don't see the logic around getting physical with a girl and in Halo's defense I think he meant he just wanted to know what she did or said to make him that angry? Maybe it was the Dixie

There's never a reason to hit a women. I do know there's sometimes two sides to a story and the press is going to jump on the most sensational side. Later we find out there was ANOTHER story but that usually isn't told.

I agree with Jnormand, the cops saw it happen then they know "what happened" ya know.

Halo · 11-27-2010, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by 504state

I wasnt talking about Halo in particular, his statement reminded me of hearing people say that.

I understand. I've made that mistake before too. After reading the whole thread the vibe felt like that.

Srgt. Hulka · 11-27-2010, 03:54 PM

All I know is that Sean Payton will not tollerate this behavior.

504state · 11-27-2010, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

All I know is that Sean Payton will not tollerate this behavior.

Yes he will. As long as Will doesnt cause problems in the locker room Smith is fine.

11-27-2010, 02:54 PM	#41
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11-27-2010, 03:12 PM	#42
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,904 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by 504state How can someone MAKE someone do something like that. He has control of his actions whatever he did or didnt do he did or didnt do on his own. The statement that a woman can make a man hit her is one of the most backwoods, unintelligent things I have ever heard. When did I make a "statement that a woman can make a man hit her"?? I asked if anyone knew what happened to make him go bizzerk. She may have done nothing but Will Smith isn't known for just beating his wife up, unless I'm wrong.

11-27-2010, 03:19 PM	#44
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by 504state How can someone MAKE someone do something like that. He has control of his actions whatever he did or didnt do he did or didnt do on his own. The statement that a woman can make a man hit her is one of the most backwoods, unintelligent things I have ever heard. Ditto 504. I just don't see the logic around getting physical with a girl and in Halo's defense I think he meant he just wanted to know what she did or said to make him that angry? Maybe it was the Dixie
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11-27-2010, 03:30 PM	#46
504state Banned Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 252	Originally Posted by CheramieIII Ditto 504. I just don't see the logic around getting physical with a girl and in Halo's defense I think he meant he just wanted to know what she did or said to make him that angry? Maybe it was the Dixie I wasnt talking about Halo in particular, his statement reminded me of hearing people say that.
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11-27-2010, 03:30 PM	#47
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,904 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by CheramieIII Ditto 504. I just don't see the logic around getting physical with a girl and in Halo's defense I think he meant he just wanted to know what she did or said to make him that angry? Maybe it was the Dixie There's never a reason to hit a women. I do know there's sometimes two sides to a story and the press is going to jump on the most sensational side. Later we find out there was ANOTHER story but that usually isn't told. I agree with Jnormand, the cops saw it happen then they know "what happened" ya know.

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11-27-2010, 03:18 PM	#43
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,779	Ok, some of you know what I do so I'll chime in on this one.... First: The police witnessed the two arguing. Then they saw it "escalate" and they saw him grab her by the hair and drag her. Now, I don't know Louisiana state law, but I know Idaho law and most states have similar domestic abuse laws. In some states, police don't have to witness a battery (especially domestic battery) actually occur to make and arrest. They just have to have enough evidence to show cause for an arrest. As someone suggested earlier, police cannot arrest someone on a charge of domestic battery (or any other charge) if they don't have the evidence to show that a crime occurred and the suspect is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I find it hard to believe that there is any state or local agency that would advocate the arrest of an individual after a "non-violent family fight" or "arguement". That is against the U.S. Constitution. What they can do is have one party leave or "suggest" that one party leave to let things cool down. In Idaho (again not sure about Louisiana), the victim of domestic abuse does not have to press charges on the suspect. If the police have enough evidence to show that the suspect did indeed commit the crime, they can arrest and the state charges the suspect. This is because of the "battered wife syndrome" as some call it, in which the victim is too afraid of retalitation to actually press charges. Bottom line is this: From what I read on NFL.com, the police witnessed the battery occur. Which probably means they arrested Will for a crime that they witnessed occur. This means, the charges may or may not have been pressed by Will's wife and it also means that he will not get a plea bargain or deal. The fact the officers witnessed it makes it that much stronger of a case.

11-27-2010, 03:23 PM	#45
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,779	I'm not trying to get into a big hoopla with anyone...just wanted to let everyone know what I gathered from the report on NFL.com and what the legal situation might be.

11-27-2010, 03:31 PM	#48
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,904 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by 504state I wasnt talking about Halo in particular, his statement reminded me of hearing people say that. I understand. I've made that mistake before too. After reading the whole thread the vibe felt like that.

11-27-2010, 03:54 PM	#49
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	All I know is that Sean Payton will not tollerate this behavior.

11-27-2010, 04:05 PM	#50
504state Banned Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 252	Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka All I know is that Sean Payton will not tollerate this behavior. Yes he will. As long as Will doesnt cause problems in the locker room Smith is fine.
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