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jeanpierre 01-29-2011 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 282992)
I don't know much about Havili's blocking ability, but he is an interesting weapon... the type of toy likes to have out of the backfield. He can pick up short yardage and has always been a good receiver out of the backfield.

This is an old scouting report on him.
2011 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Stanley Havili, USC « NFL Mocks | Covering the 2011 NFL Draft & Your #1 NFL Mock Draft Database

Good Info; only flag was this guy was declared academically ineligible at the end of his 2009 season. Like that he was a co-captain on his team.

saintsfan1976 01-29-2011 08:40 AM

We have GOT to impact opposing QB's more effectively. Speedy, edge rusher please!!!

papz 01-29-2011 08:41 AM

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Comparable sized quarterbacks would be Daunte Culpepper, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve McNair; while they can take some hits, their size also makes them a big target, thereby easier to be hit; and as the hits mount, they will take their toll he will break down...
How many ProBowls did Culpepper go to before eating himself out the league? How many Superbowls has Big Ben been to? How many years did Steve McNair play in the NFL? Not good examples on why he's not going to succeed in the NFL.

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The LSU-Auburn game was about as close to the speed and style of play he will face in the NFL and with his style of play, he won't be able make those two-three same difference making plays in the NFL.
If that was as close to a pro game as he played all year, he showed why he has the talent to play in the pros. He absolutely demolished LSU single handily.

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Let the Redskins draft him and you'll see.
Only time can tell... but nothing about his play suggest he can't succeed at the next level. You come off as a bitter LSU fan... the guy is a monster.

jeanpierre 01-29-2011 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 283068)
How many ProBowls did Culpepper go to before eating himself out the league? How many Superbowls has Big Ben been to? How many years did Steve McNair play in the NFL? Not good examples on why he's not going to succeed in the NFL.

If that was as close to a pro game as he played all year, he showed why he has the talent to play in the pros. He absolutely demolished LSU single handily.

Only time can tell... but nothing about his play suggest he can't succeed at the next level. You come off as a bitter LSU fan... the guy is a monster.

Very presumptuous of you, actually not an LSU fan; more an SEC fan and I grew up pulling for the underdog Tulane Green Wave...

The example was that his conventional style of play was not good enough to beat LSU at home; it was his runs that made the difference for Auburn that day; that won't cut it in the NFL (Not For Long).

My opinion, and I am confident of this, is that I hope he goes to a team I loathe, like the Redskins or 49'ers, so that they can suck it for another three years...

FYI phrase(s) that begin with "you come off" are inappropriate, antagonistic and arrogant; not what I consider has been the general good spirit and discussion of the black and gold...

jeanpierre 01-29-2011 10:47 AM

For those thinking DL with the R1 pick...

Cameron Jordan is moving up draft boards; doesn't look like he'll make it to No. 24...

Not sold on Cameron Heyward out of Ohio State; not enough consistency...

Drake Nevis out of LSU is holding at the end of R1; would be intriguing pair with Sedrick Ellis...

Corey Liuget DT Illinois is gaining some momentum as an underclassman entry...

Ryan Kerrigan, DE, another Boilermaker, has made a strong showing in workouts as well, though he is only 262 lbs...

Danno 01-29-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 283086)
For those thinking DL with the R1 pick...

Cameron Jordan is moving up draft boards; doesn't look like he'll make it to No. 24...

Not sold on Cameron Heyward out of Ohio State; not enough consistency...

Drake Nevis out of LSU is holding at the end of R1; would be intriguing pair with Sedrick Ellis...

Corey Liuget DT Illinois is gaining some momentum as an underclassman entry...

Ryan Kerrigan, DE, another Boilermaker, has made a strong showing in workouts as well, though he is only 262 lbs...

Looks like only a few elite DL's in this years draft. May as well wait till round two if the all the elite DL's are gone at 24.

I'm afraid BPA at 24 might end up being an OL, TE, DB or WR. None of which are huge needs. I just hope we don't reach too far.

jeanpierre 01-29-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 283088)
Looks like only a few elite DL's in this years draft. May as well wait till round two if the all the elite DL's are gone at 24.

I'm afraid BPA at 24 might end up being an OL, TE, DB or WR. None of which are huge needs. I just hope we don't reach too far.

Actually the DL elites are quite numerous, just not to 24...

We'd probably have to give up our No. 3 (the latter one/not redskin compensation pick) and trade our No. 1 to move up to the 13-16 area...

But I agree with the reaching fear...

papz 01-29-2011 01:38 PM

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Very presumptuous of you, actually not an LSU fan; more an SEC fan and I grew up pulling for the underdog Tulane Green Wave...
My condolences.

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The example was that his conventional style of play was not good enough to beat LSU at home; it was his runs that made the difference for Auburn that day; that won't cut it in the NFL (Not For Long).
That doesn't make any sense. He completed 66% of his passes this season for almost 3,000 yards with an excellent TD:INT ratio. He's proven he can not only do it with his feet, he more than a capable quarterback.

Here is Newton's scouting report.
Cam Newton NFL Draft scouting report - Mocking The Draft

That says failure all over it doesn't it?

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My opinion, and I am confident of this, is that I hope he goes to a team I loathe, like the Redskins or 49'ers, so that they can suck it for another three years...
That's great. You still have not provided anything credible to why his skill set will not translate to the NFL. You seem clearly bias towards him.

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FYI phrase(s) that begin with "you come off" are inappropriate, antagonistic and arrogant; not what I consider has been the general good spirit and discussion of the black and gold...
I'm just point out how you sound... I didn't say you were a ignorant jerk off who has no idea what you are talking about while trying to give me a lesson in life. "You come off" isn't "you are"... neither is that phrase inappropriate, antagonistic, or arrogant. I've clearly hit a nerve... but you will get no apology for taking it the way you have. You're a big boy, you'll get over it.

All I see are poor examples and empty excuses to why he's going to fail. I don't care if you don't like him... I don't either. But if you're going to sit behind your computer and have a knowledgeable debate about a player, at least bring something to the table.

jeanpierre 01-30-2011 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 283102)

That doesn't make any sense. He completed 66% of his passes this season for almost 3,000 yards with an excellent TD:INT ratio. He's proven he can not only do it with his feet, he more than a capable quarterback.

Here is Newton's scouting report.
Cam Newton NFL Draft scouting report - Mocking The Draft

That says failure all over it doesn't it?

That's great. You still have not provided anything credible to why his skill set will not translate to the NFL. You seem clearly bias towards him.

In only one season after transferring from Junior College this is what you have...

Dropping the patsy opponents from the schedule he Passed for the following yards againts the following quality opponents, dropping such PowerHouses like Arkansas St, Louisiana Monroe, and Chattanooga...

v. Mississippi St 136 Payds, 2 PaTd-1 Int
v. Clemson - 203 Payds, 2 PaTd - 2 Int
v. Kentucky - 210 Payds, 0 PaTd - 1 Int
v. Arkansas - 140 PaYds, 1 PaTd - 0 Int
v. LSU - 86 PaYds, 0 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Ole Miss 0 209 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Georgia 148 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 1 Int
v. Alabama 216 PaYds, 3 PaTd - 0 Int
v. S Carolina 335 PaYds, 4 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Oregon 265 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 1 Int

Quality Opponents Stats PYds 1948, PaTd 18, 6 Int...

Granted a nice 3:1 PaTD - Int ratio - but only 18 PaTd, mostly with 8-9 defenders in the box...

Against 10 quality opponents he has avg 194.8 PaYds...

That's what I'm looking at statitically; and if you watched the games, the film tape, there's no way I'd draft this bum in the first round...

Compounded with the fact of character - He left Florida to avoid being kicked out for cheating/academic fraud; then there's the Ms State shakedown that he and his father are involved...

Sure like to get a look at his Wonderlic Score, but we want to maintain players privacy and allow them to remove all doubt they're morons until they are interviewed on television...

This is Vince Young Redux, speaking of which...

You mentioned Mocking the Draft - This is what I read from the Scouting Report

Decision making: ...Comes out of Gus Malzahn's spread option where he doesn't have to make multiple reads. Doesn't anticipate a receiver's route that well.

Field vision: Here is where Newton is going to need the work. A lot of Auburn's passes came on receivers running double moves and deep crosses. ...a lot of Newton's passes come on the first read. When it's not there, the offense called for him to pull the ball and run. Since teams stacked the box... Newton didn't see a lot of complex coverages...He did early against Oregon ...got into trouble. He'll have to spend a lot of time in the film room to learn how to pass against defenses with good secondary play and an array of coverages.

Mechanics: Has an awkward throwing motion and will need to adjust his release point. Has a throwing motion very similar to Vince Young's...

And that's quoting Your citation, my friend...

Yeah, you draft this guy in Round 1...


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