Stephen Paea suffered torn meniscus to the right knee during Senior Bowl week; so he's out as a first round option...

In high school high school he finished as the number 2 rated dual threat quarterback in the country. In junior college, he was the number 1 rated JUCO prospect in the country. In the SEC, he finished as the Heisman trophy winner in all of the land. It's not like this success has come out of nowhere... so what if it's only been 1 year in the SEC.




Every college football teams have teams like this on their schedule. Should colege football change the way they record statistics depending on opponents?

So about 2,000 yards and a 3:1 TD to INT ratio against the best competition in college football. What's the point here exactly? I'm positive I missed it. You're also ignoring all the rushing statistics and touchdowns he put up against these teams... which just makes it even more impressive.

This is your first valid point... but, this still has nothing to do with our conversation of how his skills are not going to translate in the NFL.

While he may or may not be a moron, I'm sure having a great Wonderlic score is directly correlated to having success in the NFL.

What you read was that he has a similiar throwing motion to Vince Young. That doesn't make him Vince Young redux. I've also mentioned earlier in this thread that he's been working with Big Ben's quarterback tutor and the reviews have been excellent. He has mechanical issues... a lot of young quarterbacks do. He's already taking the steps to correct them.

You did read the whole report right? You picked his one flaw and you're harboring on it. Forgive me if I continue to believe you are absolutely bias on the matter.

Shows your bias again by conviently leaving out the first part...
Newton rarely put his receivers in bad position and didn't throw the ball a lot into double coverage. He just needs to get faster making decisions in the passing game.

We'll address that with your next statement as well... as it's virtually the same thing.
So essentially you are faulting him for doing what his coaches wanted as far as running the offense is concerned. If his first option wasn't there, he was told to tuck and run. He's an idiot for listening... he only won a national title and the Heisman trophy for doing so. As far as not seeing complex coverages... that's his fault too? He's playing college football against college defenses... how exactly can anyone knock him for that?

He's 21 years old... there aren't many, if any, quarterbacks that come straight into the NFL without many flaws. Look at Jimmy Clausen who scored a good Wonderlic, ran a pro style offense in college, was able to do a hell of a job improvising and making his reads... yet was a complete failure in his first season in the NFL. He didn't have all these so-called mechanical issues either. Just saying.

If I needed a quarterback...
...I'd definitely consider drafting Newton.

And just to point out, I never once pointed out where he should be drafted. My point is that he has all the physical tools one would want to be a successful NFL quarterback. His size, strength, speed, and athleticism are what people drool for... which obviously to one, the recipe for failure.

Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young both had great physical tools; there game just doesn't translate to the NFL Game...

As was pointed out in the scouting report we're discussing, Newton's passing success was to pass to the wide open receiver or pull it down and run...

Look the scouting report you cited says he'll be the most polarizing player coming out because of the physical tools he possesses but he that he has struggled when some of the college defenses schemed complex defenses similiar to a pro-style D...

I didn't cite/quote all the negatives or questions about his game from your report due to length, but there are too many red flags to warrant a draft pick on this guy...

Twenty-one or not, you come ready to play or you're gone...

I will say this though, it was a good scouting report you cited...

Highsight is 20/20. On paper, their skill set suggested they'd have productive NFL careers. No one can tell what's going to happen once they get there. Who knew JaMarcus was going to balloon over 300 pounds, get addicted to sizzurp, lazy, and have a piss poor work ethic. I find that to be more of a mental than physical thing... his physical skill set is everything you'd want in a NFL player. Unless one was a die hard Longhorn fan, I think Young turned out to be exactly what we thought he would be. He's had mild success and no one could have predicted his mental problems either. Both had more problems mentally than physically.
I have a problem with this. If one is going to knock him throwing to a wide open receiver, why not credit him for eluding defenders allowing his receivers extra time to create separation? We've all watched Newton play... I'm sure we all can see why his receivers are wide open.

As there is with almost every prospect every year in every draft. I think "too many" is being exaggerated here.

Which isn't the case. Some teams have the luxury of developing their players over time. It took 3 years before Roddy White became a productive player. If we were going by your mindset, he'd already be out of this league. Aaron Rodgers had the luxury to develop and learn off the bench before he was thrown into the fire. Robert Meachem wouldn't be on this team right now if we thought like that. The majority of players that come into the league need good coaching and time to develop. It's not as cut and dry like you say.

It's one of his better ones. That said, I honestly don't see the Vince Young mechanical similarities. I've youtube some videos and I just don't see it.

A little more on how much of a freak Cam Newton is...

If he doesn't succeed in the NFL, I'd venture to say it definitely won't be because of his God given physical talent.

I thought this was telling, and supported by the back and forth on the matter...

More polarizing than Mount Cody?!?!?

LOL I know whom you are talking of but did I miss something last season?!?

The Tim Tebow of the 2011 draft then.

R1/24 Mikel Leshoure RB - Illinois (HT: 6-0 - WT: 230)

Best Size/Speed Combination in the draft; got his act together after altercation in 2009 displaying maturity and focus; capable of monster games and carrying the load; willing blocker in pass protection


R2/56 Muhammad Wilkerson, DT - Temple (HT: 6-5 - WT: 305)

Athletic Big Man who would be a natural DE in a 3-4 alignment; but with his athletic ability could be a freak at the 5-technique positon; moving up draft boards into the first round now...


R3/72 Quinton Carter, S - Oklahoma (HT: 6-0⅝ - WT: 211)

Go to Roman Harper's Wikipedia page and you'll see 'em swinging a golf club; picking Carter would help 'em stay there; he has excellent coverage skills at S: Fluid, Good Angles, Smart and has excellent community track record; not sure he's be there this late but would be a steal at this slot ...

R3/88 Mark Herzlich OLB - Boston College (HT: 6-3⅝ - WT: 250)

Natural fiery leader/linebacker; survived serious illness to return and play at high level; playmaker who likes to be in on every play, but disciplined and stays in assignments...