Saints Draft

jeanpierre · 01-09-2011, 05:37 AM

I believe in the BPA philosophy, but when you have glaring needs you can get equal value moving up or down and drafting in that new slot the BPA now at your need...

I usually don't like to get down on a player; Shanle gets alot of grief here but personally, I like him, his effort, and his actually pretty solid...

Now, I've been critical of Roman Harper; I still have visions of his pass coverage/pass interference in Chicago; then there was this year when he was "gassed" and got caught from behind by the Rams Rookie Bradford; on his Wikipedia page he has a picture of him swinging for the green rather than play football...he should get use to this...

We had some of our best defensive football this season when Sharper and Jenkins were teamed at the Safeties...

With Sharper's age, and Harper's inability, Safety is now a definite need for the draft...

jeanpierre · 01-09-2011, 05:50 AM

Also, we haven't had many draft picks pan-out nearly as much as the league average and this is starting to concern me; I've been critical of the Saints FO and this is why...

Our no. 1 picks in the current regime are:

2006 Reggie Bush - I still like the pick; but has the returns yield a No. 2 overall pick? Grade - B

2007 Robert Meachem - Clearly a bust; came in out of shape - as a rookie; his play has showed only moderate improvement and he seems to regress two games at a time after a one game wonder... Grade - D

2008 Sedrick Ellis - another bust when you consider moving up to get 'em and the returns received and the BS of his holdout; he's definitely a guy like a Warren Sapp who's only able to put up numbers when he's teamed with a larger dominant DT who can occupy blockers...Grade - D

2009 Malcolm Jenkins - I wanted Clay Matthews (even changed my avatar at the time because of my man-crush for the USC linebacker); but I didn't believe Jenkins would be this good; aside from passing on Matthews, this pick was a good one and he was definitely missed for the Seahawks playoff game...Grade - A-

2010 Patrick Robinson - really wanted to geaux need, thought there were worthy DL and RB picks at that position, but we'll allow another season for this guy to develop...Grade B

...Thing is, when you draft No. 1's they should be ready to start...

...but looking at the names, it's a rather disappointing group...

jcp026 · 01-09-2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Also, we haven't had many draft picks pan-out nearly as much as the league average and this is starting to concern me; I've been critical of the Saints FO and this is why...

Our no. 1 picks in the current regime are:

2006 Reggie Bush - I still like the pick; but has the returns yield a No. 2 overall pick? Grade - B

2007 Robert Meachem - Clearly a bust; came in out of shape - as a rookie; his play has showed only moderate improvement and he seems to regress two games at a time after a one game wonder... Grade - D

2008 Sedrick Ellis - another bust when you consider moving up to get 'em and the returns received and the BS of his holdout; he's definitely a guy like a Warren Sapp who's only able to put up numbers when he's teamed with a larger dominant DT who can occupy blockers...Grade - D

2009 Malcolm Jenkins - I wanted Clay Matthews (even changed my avatar at the time because of my man-crush for the USC linebacker); but I didn't believe Jenkins would be this good; aside from passing on Matthews, this pick was a good one and he was definitely missed for the Seahawks playoff game...Grade - A-

2010 Patrick Robinson - really wanted to geaux need, thought there were worthy DL and RB picks at that position, but we'll allow another season for this guy to develop...Grade B

...Thing is, when you draft No. 1's they should be ready to start...

...but looking at the names, it's a rather disappointing group...

If Ellis and Meachem are busts, then Reggie is the biggest bust of all time. I say this and I'm a fan of Reggie Bush.

WVSaint · 01-09-2011, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by jcp026

If Ellis and Meachem are busts, then Reggie is the biggest bust of all time. I say this and I'm a fan of Reggie Bush.

i agree with this, plus how do you give the robinson pick a better grade than the ellis pick?

jeanpierre · 01-10-2011, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

i agree with this, plus how do you give the robinson pick a better grade than the ellis pick?

As it stands right now, it was a quality value at that pick; look Porter is going be a FA after 2011; so he's got a year to learn the system and take hold...

And don't misunderstand, I'd like to keep Porter, but they were smart to take a talented DB at that position, allowing a year of development...

When you consider we moved up for Ellis, Seventh Pick, and the Bullshinski with his Rookie holdout, the expectations are higher (Twelve sacks in Three Seasons, Two Fumbles/Minimal Impact)...

At least Bush has given us some moments with the big play...

jcp026 · 01-11-2011, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

As it stands right now, it was a quality value at that pick; look Porter is going be a FA after 2011; so he's got a year to learn the system and take hold...

And don't misunderstand, I'd like to keep Porter, but they were smart to take a talented DB at that position, allowing a year of development...

When you consider we moved up for Ellis, Seventh Pick, and the Bullshinski with his Rookie holdout, the expectations are higher (Twelve sacks in Three Seasons, Two Fumbles/Minimal Impact)...

At least Bush has given us some moments with the big play...

Bush's big plays have been few and far between. He was the second pick in the draft. We passed on Ngata and Vernon Davis for this guy. We also passed on everyone else in the draft that wasn't Mario Williams. HE WAS THE SECOND PICK! I like Bush and would like to keep him around at a good price, but he's a bust and he's the biggest bust of the Payton/Loomis era.

D_it_up · 01-09-2011, 02:05 PM

I just voted on every category except WR.

AllSaints · 01-09-2011, 03:37 PM

pass rushing DE.... LB.... RB....

Ashley · 01-09-2011, 07:35 PM

once again... defense, defense, defense. thats what i would like to see.

QBREES9 · 01-09-2011, 08:41 PM

Cameron Hayward DE

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01-09-2011, 05:37 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	I believe in the BPA philosophy, but when you have glaring needs you can get equal value moving up or down and drafting in that new slot the BPA now at your need... I usually don't like to get down on a player; Shanle gets alot of grief here but personally, I like him, his effort, and his actually pretty solid... Now, I've been critical of Roman Harper; I still have visions of his pass coverage/pass interference in Chicago; then there was this year when he was "gassed" and got caught from behind by the Rams Rookie Bradford; on his Wikipedia page he has a picture of him swinging for the green rather than play football...he should get use to this... We had some of our best defensive football this season when Sharper and Jenkins were teamed at the Safeties... With Sharper's age, and Harper's inability, Safety is now a definite need for the draft...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

01-09-2011, 05:50 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Also, we haven't had many draft picks pan-out nearly as much as the league average and this is starting to concern me; I've been critical of the Saints FO and this is why... Our no. 1 picks in the current regime are: 2006 Reggie Bush - I still like the pick; but has the returns yield a No. 2 overall pick? Grade - B 2007 Robert Meachem - Clearly a bust; came in out of shape - as a rookie; his play has showed only moderate improvement and he seems to regress two games at a time after a one game wonder... Grade - D 2008 Sedrick Ellis - another bust when you consider moving up to get 'em and the returns received and the BS of his holdout; he's definitely a guy like a Warren Sapp who's only able to put up numbers when he's teamed with a larger dominant DT who can occupy blockers...Grade - D 2009 Malcolm Jenkins - I wanted Clay Matthews (even changed my avatar at the time because of my man-crush for the USC linebacker); but I didn't believe Jenkins would be this good; aside from passing on Matthews, this pick was a good one and he was definitely missed for the Seahawks playoff game...Grade - A- 2010 Patrick Robinson - really wanted to geaux need, thought there were worthy DL and RB picks at that position, but we'll allow another season for this guy to develop...Grade B ...Thing is, when you draft No. 1's they should be ready to start... ...but looking at the names, it's a rather disappointing group...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

01-09-2011, 08:27 AM	#3
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 952	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Also, we haven't had many draft picks pan-out nearly as much as the league average and this is starting to concern me; I've been critical of the Saints FO and this is why... Our no. 1 picks in the current regime are: 2006 Reggie Bush - I still like the pick; but has the returns yield a No. 2 overall pick? Grade - B 2007 Robert Meachem - Clearly a bust; came in out of shape - as a rookie; his play has showed only moderate improvement and he seems to regress two games at a time after a one game wonder... Grade - D 2008 Sedrick Ellis - another bust when you consider moving up to get 'em and the returns received and the BS of his holdout; he's definitely a guy like a Warren Sapp who's only able to put up numbers when he's teamed with a larger dominant DT who can occupy blockers...Grade - D 2009 Malcolm Jenkins - I wanted Clay Matthews (even changed my avatar at the time because of my man-crush for the USC linebacker); but I didn't believe Jenkins would be this good; aside from passing on Matthews, this pick was a good one and he was definitely missed for the Seahawks playoff game...Grade - A- 2010 Patrick Robinson - really wanted to geaux need, thought there were worthy DL and RB picks at that position, but we'll allow another season for this guy to develop...Grade B ...Thing is, when you draft No. 1's they should be ready to start... ...but looking at the names, it's a rather disappointing group... If Ellis and Meachem are busts, then Reggie is the biggest bust of all time. I say this and I'm a fan of Reggie Bush.
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01-09-2011, 09:42 AM	#4
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Originally Posted by jcp026 If Ellis and Meachem are busts, then Reggie is the biggest bust of all time. I say this and I'm a fan of Reggie Bush. i agree with this, plus how do you give the robinson pick a better grade than the ellis pick?

01-10-2011, 08:00 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by WVSaint i agree with this, plus how do you give the robinson pick a better grade than the ellis pick? As it stands right now, it was a quality value at that pick; look Porter is going be a FA after 2011; so he's got a year to learn the system and take hold... And don't misunderstand, I'd like to keep Porter, but they were smart to take a talented DB at that position, allowing a year of development... When you consider we moved up for Ellis, Seventh Pick, and the Bullshinski with his Rookie holdout, the expectations are higher (Twelve sacks in Three Seasons, Two Fumbles/Minimal Impact)... At least Bush has given us some moments with the big play...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

01-11-2011, 09:35 AM	#6
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 952	Originally Posted by jeanpierre As it stands right now, it was a quality value at that pick; look Porter is going be a FA after 2011; so he's got a year to learn the system and take hold... And don't misunderstand, I'd like to keep Porter, but they were smart to take a talented DB at that position, allowing a year of development... When you consider we moved up for Ellis, Seventh Pick, and the Bullshinski with his Rookie holdout, the expectations are higher (Twelve sacks in Three Seasons, Two Fumbles/Minimal Impact)... At least Bush has given us some moments with the big play... Bush's big plays have been few and far between. He was the second pick in the draft. We passed on Ngata and Vernon Davis for this guy. We also passed on everyone else in the draft that wasn't Mario Williams. HE WAS THE SECOND PICK! I like Bush and would like to keep him around at a good price, but he's a bust and he's the biggest bust of the Payton/Loomis era.
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01-09-2011, 02:05 PM	#7
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	I just voted on every category except WR.

01-09-2011, 03:37 PM	#8
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	pass rushing DE.... LB.... RB....

01-09-2011, 07:35 PM	#9
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	once again... defense, defense, defense. thats what i would like to see.

01-09-2011, 08:41 PM	#10
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Cameron Hayward DE