Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes,

blake6900 · 11-30-2003, 05:22 PM

Somebody needs to paint targets on the receivers' hands...maybe then he could throw a pass to somewhere other than their feet.

At this point he oughtta try tossin' it left-handed...or underhand...or maybe (here's a novel thought) Haslett oughtta bench him and get some money's worth outta Bouman.

blake6900 · 11-30-2003, 05:36 PM

BEHOLD! Aaron Brooks has remembered what legs are for. Now, how \'bout that arm?

All kidding aside, his inconsistency is killing this team.

blake6900 · 11-30-2003, 06:26 PM

I just listened to an after-the-game interview on the radio with Brooks. He was asked by Kenny Wilkerson how he felt winning this game after struggling in the first half. His answer was astonishing. He said he didn\'t think he struggled at all and, in fact, \"they\'re a good football team\".

So...he didn\'t think he struggled at all. I tell ya, the guy is simply oblivious to reality. What first half was he in? I\'m glad they won, I\'m glad he started running but until he wakes up I don\'t see him as the longterm solution.

rich006 · 11-30-2003, 06:52 PM

I was also surprised at his nonchalance about the first half. Man-ning! Man-ning!

JKool · 12-01-2003, 02:13 AM

I\'m not sure I want to get hauled into the animosity here, but I\'ll take a crack at why Brooks has a somewhat nonchallant attitude.

First, everyone deals with stress differently. People who have commented on his similing et cetera , obviously have a different method. What difference does it make if he scowls, or frowns, or smiles for that matter as long as he goes back on the field and gives it his all. Some people just lead by doing. I don\'t think I\'ve seen Brooks \"just give up\" - even if he has looked stupid on the sideline.

Second, what do you want your leader to say, \"Yeah, I sucked it up out there. If I had played better, we\'d be winning.\" Boy, I bet that would make him a player favorite in the locker room? Perhaps in the same way every good Corner has to have a short memory, so too does a Quarterback? That is, it is the coaches\' job to get the QB to see what he is not seeing, but if a QB gets all down on himself he will only second guess himself over and over again. Of course, this is just a suggestion, and I wouldn\'t want Brooks beating me with his eyes (ha ha).

At any rate, that is just some food for thought. I\'ve always felt that is the guy who leads by example AND leads with his voice who is the best leader. Thus, Brooks is, at best, half a leader. However, it seems to me that what he says in interviews is being blown a bit out of proportion - he has trouble handling himself in front of the media (and on the sideline), but really the QB is only one of many possible leaders on a team. Why is it ok for Duece, or Fontenot, or Horn (ha ha) to be the strong silent type?

Those are just some thoughts. Please don\'t take it as though I\'m defending Brooks as a leader. However, I do think this focus on Brooks\' oddities of demeanor is nothing more than a red-herring for actual problems... and I\'m sure that most won\'t disagree that the real problem must be more than his mere inability to impress the fans by grimacing appropriately, rather than flashing the pearlies, on the sidelines.

[Edited on 1/12/2003 by JKool]

saintfan · 12-01-2003, 09:07 AM

FINALLY, someone willing to see the WHOLE picture. There is intelligent life on this planet afterall, there just ain\'t much of it on this board.

Saints lose and this entire board (with very few exceptions) blames Brooks

Saints win and this entire board (with very few exceptions) seldom gives credit where it\'s due

People on this board speak of continuity from one side of their mouth and scream \"cut \'em all\" from the other. The logic, if there is any, is weak Monday morning arm chair QB\'ing at it\'s finest. I actaully read a post in another thread where several of our \"esteemed\" members are trying to prove pentalties don\'t kill drives!

You\'re right on the money with your \"red-herring\" theory JKool, but don\'t expect it to fly on this board. This board is for the sarcastic anti-Brooks folks who really wanted Jake Delhomme as their QB.

[Edited on 1/12/2003 by saintfan]

saintz08 · 12-01-2003, 10:22 AM

Second, what do you want your leader to say, \"Yeah, I sucked it up out there.

Yes.....

In the post game interview before the media , Matt Hasselbeck made it a clear point that there were some plays he wishes he had done better on and that those around him had played well .

A man playing frisbee on a beach 2 weeks ago , had the courage to stand up and say the buck starts and stops with this position and I will get better .

Haslett when asked about Brooks first half performance , said Brooks was a little shy about throwing with the knee and we had to tell him just to go out and throw it in the second half .

Brooks is a second half player that needs a lot of reminding .....

blake6900 · 12-01-2003, 05:16 PM

Saintfan said: You\'re right on the money with your \"red-herring\" theory JKool, but don\'t expect it to fly on this board. This board is for the sarcastic anti-Brooks folks who really wanted Jake Delhomme as their QB.

You need to go back and reread JKool\'s entire post. If you had comprehended what he said you wouldn\'t have been so quick to wave your \"somebody agrees with me\" flag.

BTW...in case you haven\'t seen the standings lately, the Panthers are in first place...and Delhomme is their starter. Does he have the raw talent Brooks has? No. Is he a leader? Yes. Case closed.

Perhaps your blind faith of Brooks will actually reach fruition but, for the most part, this offense has gotten worse the longer he sets up behind center. You can argue forever but facts is facts...

All the injuries in the world (on offense or defense) cannot explain why Aaron Brooks continues to throw 8 yard passes at the receiver\'s feet when he\'s not under pressure. Perhaps you can...

JKool · 12-01-2003, 06:27 PM

Ok, let me clarify slightly.

Missed passes: of course, the QB is to blame for that.

Leadership: how exactly do you evaluate that? It is clear to me, as I noted before, that Brooks is AT BEST half a leader, since clearly he isn\'t the guy everyone rallies around on the sideline, who gives the emotional speech, or even utters the battle cry. However, it is not clear to me that he doesn\'t lead by example. He plays hurt (unlike Vick), he plays to the last wistle, he runs with the ball, and he never gives up, even when we (the fans) have. Does he lead by example? These things tell me that he might. This indicates that he might be HALF A LEADER; until someone offers something otherwise, I think that Brooks \"non-leadership\" is an open question - that is, it has NOT been shown that he is NO LEADER AT ALL.

Red-Herrings: what I meant was that it is not clear to me that Brooks leadership, or lack thereof, has much to do with anything. Missed passes, those have something to do with something.

Saintz08: good point. What about my theory that a QB should have a short memory? This isn\'t a challenge, but a real question to which I\'m interested in the answer. Do you think that Hasselbeckwill last long or be a good leader if he reapeats those comments week after week? At some point, he will have to put the focus on other guys needing to get the job done or they\'ll just scapegoat him, and no one will play better as a result of his speeches. If the coaches can get Brooks fired up (as they seem to have in the second half), then they need to get on him sooner and quit praying that he\'ll develop that skill on his own.

At least that\'s what I think I was saying... but don\'t hold that against me.

P.S. When the defense stops the run, then, and maybe then, I\'ll consider Brooks beating people with his eyes and smiling like a dumb-a-- to be a first rate problem for our boys in the black and gold.

JOESAM2002 · 12-01-2003, 06:59 PM

So what you\'re saying about Brooks is? If he\'s not fast and he\'s not slow, he\'s half -fast? :P

11-30-2003, 05:22 PM	#1
blake6900 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 182	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, Somebody needs to paint targets on the receivers' hands...maybe then he could throw a pass to somewhere other than their feet. At this point he oughtta try tossin' it left-handed...or underhand...or maybe (here's a novel thought) Haslett oughtta bench him and get some money's worth outta Bouman.
blake6900 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 182

11-30-2003, 05:36 PM	#2
blake6900 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 182	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, BEHOLD! Aaron Brooks has remembered what legs are for. Now, how \'bout that arm? All kidding aside, his inconsistency is killing this team.
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11-30-2003, 06:26 PM	#3
blake6900 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 182	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, I just listened to an after-the-game interview on the radio with Brooks. He was asked by Kenny Wilkerson how he felt winning this game after struggling in the first half. His answer was astonishing. He said he didn\'t think he struggled at all and, in fact, \"they\'re a good football team\". So...he didn\'t think he struggled at all. I tell ya, the guy is simply oblivious to reality. What first half was he in? I\'m glad they won, I\'m glad he started running but until he wakes up I don\'t see him as the longterm solution.
blake6900 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 182

11-30-2003, 06:52 PM	#4
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, I was also surprised at his nonchalance about the first half. Man-ning! Man-ning!
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12-01-2003, 02:13 AM	#5
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, I\'m not sure I want to get hauled into the animosity here, but I\'ll take a crack at why Brooks has a somewhat nonchallant attitude. First, everyone deals with stress differently. People who have commented on his similing et cetera , obviously have a different method. What difference does it make if he scowls, or frowns, or smiles for that matter as long as he goes back on the field and gives it his all. Some people just lead by doing. I don\'t think I\'ve seen Brooks \"just give up\" - even if he has looked stupid on the sideline. Second, what do you want your leader to say, \"Yeah, I sucked it up out there. If I had played better, we\'d be winning.\" Boy, I bet that would make him a player favorite in the locker room? Perhaps in the same way every good Corner has to have a short memory, so too does a Quarterback? That is, it is the coaches\' job to get the QB to see what he is not seeing, but if a QB gets all down on himself he will only second guess himself over and over again. Of course, this is just a suggestion, and I wouldn\'t want Brooks beating me with his eyes (ha ha). At any rate, that is just some food for thought. I\'ve always felt that is the guy who leads by example AND leads with his voice who is the best leader. Thus, Brooks is, at best, half a leader. However, it seems to me that what he says in interviews is being blown a bit out of proportion - he has trouble handling himself in front of the media (and on the sideline), but really the QB is only one of many possible leaders on a team. Why is it ok for Duece, or Fontenot, or Horn (ha ha) to be the strong silent type? Those are just some thoughts. Please don\'t take it as though I\'m defending Brooks as a leader. However, I do think this focus on Brooks\' oddities of demeanor is nothing more than a red-herring for actual problems... and I\'m sure that most won\'t disagree that the real problem must be more than his mere inability to impress the fans by grimacing appropriately, rather than flashing the pearlies, on the sidelines. [Edited on 1/12/2003 by JKool]
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

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12-01-2003, 09:07 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, FINALLY, someone willing to see the WHOLE picture. There is intelligent life on this planet afterall, there just ain\'t much of it on this board. Saints lose and this entire board (with very few exceptions) blames Brooks Saints win and this entire board (with very few exceptions) seldom gives credit where it\'s due People on this board speak of continuity from one side of their mouth and scream \"cut \'em all\" from the other. The logic, if there is any, is weak Monday morning arm chair QB\'ing at it\'s finest. I actaully read a post in another thread where several of our \"esteemed\" members are trying to prove pentalties don\'t kill drives! You\'re right on the money with your \"red-herring\" theory JKool, but don\'t expect it to fly on this board. This board is for the sarcastic anti-Brooks folks who really wanted Jake Delhomme as their QB. [Edited on 1/12/2003 by saintfan]
	C'mon Man...

12-01-2003, 10:22 AM	#7
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, Second, what do you want your leader to say, \"Yeah, I sucked it up out there. Yes..... In the post game interview before the media , Matt Hasselbeck made it a clear point that there were some plays he wishes he had done better on and that those around him had played well . A man playing frisbee on a beach 2 weeks ago , had the courage to stand up and say the buck starts and stops with this position and I will get better . Haslett when asked about Brooks first half performance , said Brooks was a little shy about throwing with the knee and we had to tell him just to go out and throw it in the second half . Brooks is a second half player that needs a lot of reminding .....
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

12-01-2003, 05:16 PM	#8
blake6900 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 182	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, Saintfan said: You\'re right on the money with your \"red-herring\" theory JKool, but don\'t expect it to fly on this board. This board is for the sarcastic anti-Brooks folks who really wanted Jake Delhomme as their QB. You need to go back and reread JKool\'s entire post. If you had comprehended what he said you wouldn\'t have been so quick to wave your \"somebody agrees with me\" flag. BTW...in case you haven\'t seen the standings lately, the Panthers are in first place...and Delhomme is their starter. Does he have the raw talent Brooks has? No. Is he a leader? Yes. Case closed. Perhaps your blind faith of Brooks will actually reach fruition but, for the most part, this offense has gotten worse the longer he sets up behind center. You can argue forever but facts is facts... All the injuries in the world (on offense or defense) cannot explain why Aaron Brooks continues to throw 8 yard passes at the receiver\'s feet when he\'s not under pressure. Perhaps you can...
blake6900 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 182

12-01-2003, 06:27 PM	#9
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, Ok, let me clarify slightly. Missed passes: of course, the QB is to blame for that. Leadership: how exactly do you evaluate that? It is clear to me, as I noted before, that Brooks is AT BEST half a leader, since clearly he isn\'t the guy everyone rallies around on the sideline, who gives the emotional speech, or even utters the battle cry. However, it is not clear to me that he doesn\'t lead by example. He plays hurt (unlike Vick), he plays to the last wistle, he runs with the ball, and he never gives up, even when we (the fans) have. Does he lead by example? These things tell me that he might. This indicates that he might be HALF A LEADER; until someone offers something otherwise, I think that Brooks \"non-leadership\" is an open question - that is, it has NOT been shown that he is NO LEADER AT ALL. Red-Herrings: what I meant was that it is not clear to me that Brooks leadership, or lack thereof, has much to do with anything. Missed passes, those have something to do with something. Saintz08: good point. What about my theory that a QB should have a short memory? This isn\'t a challenge, but a real question to which I\'m interested in the answer. Do you think that Hasselbeckwill last long or be a good leader if he reapeats those comments week after week? At some point, he will have to put the focus on other guys needing to get the job done or they\'ll just scapegoat him, and no one will play better as a result of his speeches. If the coaches can get Brooks fired up (as they seem to have in the second half), then they need to get on him sooner and quit praying that he\'ll develop that skill on his own. At least that\'s what I think I was saying... but don\'t hold that against me. P.S. When the defense stops the run, then, and maybe then, I\'ll consider Brooks beating people with his eyes and smiling like a dumb-a-- to be a first rate problem for our boys in the black and gold.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

12-01-2003, 06:59 PM	#10
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Horn drops 1, Brooks throws the usual number of bad passes, So what you\'re saying about Brooks is? If he\'s not fast and he\'s not slow, he\'s half -fast? :P