NFL's profitability data offer rejected

Crusader · 03-10-2011, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

If the players don't watch out, the fans are going to turn them into the bad guys in this deal.

I already do that. Not that I don't think the players should get paid well, but they are paid well already. All of them.

SapperSaint · 03-10-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I already do that. Not that I don't think the players should get paid well, but they are paid well already. All of them.

I agree with you Crusader. There are plenty of guys that would play for $20 an hour, just to have the opportunity to play again. I just really don't dig on all the money grubbing. On both sides.

iceshack149 · 03-10-2011, 02:30 PM

I say raise the price for tickets, merchandise and anything else that that can bring more money to the millionaires and billionaires. WE NEED TRILLIONAIRES!

foreverfan · 03-10-2011, 08:26 AM

I just want less commercials.

SapperSaint · 03-10-2011, 01:05 PM

I wanna meet your Avatar, FF. And talk about CBA issues personally.

hitta · 03-12-2011, 03:09 PM

The whole employer/employee opinion is based on a relative view point of looking at a business exchange as a 1 tiered street. Money is just a symbol of value, and the only thing that makes it special is the liquidity of it. Business exchange is always a 2 tiered street. Both entities are exchanging values with each other, the players bring their talents to the game; the owners bring their financial backing.

The reason that the players can ask for these things in collective bargaining is that they have leverage. They aren't just some employee off the street that is easily terminate-able. The leverage they have is created by the scarcity of the resource that they offer. If the NFL were to replace them with 2nd tier players at cheaper salaries, the profits of the NFL would drop drastically because a lot fewer people would be willing to watch them on a regular basis; which is exactly why they haven't done it.

Basically what the NFL has done is tell them that they are going to take money off the top of the split that they proposed; citing economic hardships. According to the NFLPA, this would have actually left them with less money then in the past. The logical step for anyone willing to consent to this would be able to see the economic data from the NFL to back up their claim(to make sure that they aren't lying about the economic decline).

lynwood · 03-12-2011, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

The whole employer/employee opinion is based on a relative view point of looking at a business exchange as a 1 tiered street. Money is just a symbol of value, and the only thing that makes it special is the liquidity of it. Business exchange is always a 2 tiered street. Both entities are exchanging values with each other, the players bring their talents to the game; the owners bring their financial backing.

The reason that the players can ask for these things in collective bargaining is that they have leverage. They aren't just some employee off the street that is easily terminate-able. The leverage they have is created by the scarcity of the resource that they offer. If the NFL were to replace them with 2nd tier players at cheaper salaries, the profits of the NFL would drop drastically because a lot fewer people would be willing to watch them on a regular basis; which is exactly why they haven't done it.

Basically what the NFL has done is tell them that they are going to take money off the top of the split that they proposed; citing economic hardships. According to the NFLPA, this would have actually left them with less money then in the past. The logical step for anyone willing to consent to this would be able to see the economic data from the NFL to back up their claim(to make sure that they aren't lying about the economic decline).

I say don't show anyone anything and see what the second tier players have to offer and see how the fan base reacts. I'm sure there are a bunch of college players getting ready to enter a draft where they don't belong to any union and all they have is an agent working out salary negotiations.

Who says you should belong to a usnion to be able to play ball? That's just silly. If you like the money but not the benefits then make a choice. Play or sell cars.

st thomas · 03-10-2011, 03:20 PM

why would they decline 05-09 it has to show huge enough nos to evaluate , this could have pushed things forward a little. the players should watch there backs because its our wallets that fill theres

st thomas · 03-10-2011, 04:05 PM

we have cameras in court rooms on murder trials etc, but zip on a national pastime. we all know why. its all about money and it would ensicken the general public on how greedy these rich owners and not so rich but well paid players are. and all wanting more more more. i worked hard for 30 yrs for 1 company slowly climbing the wage scale and then being let go after owners knowingly could hire college grads out of school for 1/2 what i was making . i could do nothing but pack my s--t and leave. i know nfl football won't be the same with scabs but it might be no other way to let the players know that employers will be employers and not there daddy's.

Beastmode · 03-10-2011, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

we have cameras in court rooms on murder trials etc, but zip on a national pastime. we all know why. its all about money and it would ensicken the general public on how greedy these rich owners and not so rich but well paid players are. and all wanting more more more. i worked hard for 30 yrs for 1 company slowly climbing the wage scale and then being let go after owners knowingly could hire college grads out of school for 1/2 what i was making . i could do nothing but pack my s--t and leave. i know nfl football won't be the same with scabs but it might be no other way to let the players know that employers will be employers and not there daddy's.

I've never been in that position but I understand your point. My postion on it is to never let myself get into that position. Find a niche on the side and never let one person or company decide your fate.

These players should focus on life after football since the average NFL career is 2 years. They make good money but it's not that much over the course of a lifetime if that's all you ever did. The only thing I'm with them on is the 18 game schedule and lingering medical concerns. Nobody wants the 18 games except for the owners and if they have lingering medical isssues the NFL needs to take care of them. If the owners want more of the profits then so be it, just take care of these guys when they are in pain after football. They have plenty of money to make that a reality.

03-10-2011, 08:09 AM	#1
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,049	Originally Posted by SapperSaint If the players don't watch out, the fans are going to turn them into the bad guys in this deal. I already do that. Not that I don't think the players should get paid well, but they are paid well already. All of them.

03-10-2011, 01:09 PM	#2
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Originally Posted by Crusader I already do that. Not that I don't think the players should get paid well, but they are paid well already. All of them. I agree with you Crusader. There are plenty of guys that would play for $20 an hour, just to have the opportunity to play again. I just really don't dig on all the money grubbing. On both sides.

03-10-2011, 08:26 AM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	I just want less commercials.
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03-12-2011, 03:09 PM	#6
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,340	The whole employer/employee opinion is based on a relative view point of looking at a business exchange as a 1 tiered street. Money is just a symbol of value, and the only thing that makes it special is the liquidity of it. Business exchange is always a 2 tiered street. Both entities are exchanging values with each other, the players bring their talents to the game; the owners bring their financial backing. The reason that the players can ask for these things in collective bargaining is that they have leverage. They aren't just some employee off the street that is easily terminate-able. The leverage they have is created by the scarcity of the resource that they offer. If the NFL were to replace them with 2nd tier players at cheaper salaries, the profits of the NFL would drop drastically because a lot fewer people would be willing to watch them on a regular basis; which is exactly why they haven't done it. Basically what the NFL has done is tell them that they are going to take money off the top of the split that they proposed; citing economic hardships. According to the NFLPA, this would have actually left them with less money then in the past. The logical step for anyone willing to consent to this would be able to see the economic data from the NFL to back up their claim(to make sure that they aren't lying about the economic decline).
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03-12-2011, 11:00 PM	#7
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Originally Posted by hitta The whole employer/employee opinion is based on a relative view point of looking at a business exchange as a 1 tiered street. Money is just a symbol of value, and the only thing that makes it special is the liquidity of it. Business exchange is always a 2 tiered street. Both entities are exchanging values with each other, the players bring their talents to the game; the owners bring their financial backing. The reason that the players can ask for these things in collective bargaining is that they have leverage. They aren't just some employee off the street that is easily terminate-able. The leverage they have is created by the scarcity of the resource that they offer. If the NFL were to replace them with 2nd tier players at cheaper salaries, the profits of the NFL would drop drastically because a lot fewer people would be willing to watch them on a regular basis; which is exactly why they haven't done it. Basically what the NFL has done is tell them that they are going to take money off the top of the split that they proposed; citing economic hardships. According to the NFLPA, this would have actually left them with less money then in the past. The logical step for anyone willing to consent to this would be able to see the economic data from the NFL to back up their claim(to make sure that they aren't lying about the economic decline). I say don't show anyone anything and see what the second tier players have to offer and see how the fan base reacts. I'm sure there are a bunch of college players getting ready to enter a draft where they don't belong to any union and all they have is an agent working out salary negotiations. Who says you should belong to a usnion to be able to play ball? That's just silly. If you like the money but not the benefits then make a choice. Play or sell cars.

03-10-2011, 02:30 PM	#3
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,426 Blog Entries: 1	I say raise the price for tickets, merchandise and anything else that that can bring more money to the millionaires and billionaires. WE NEED TRILLIONAIRES!

03-10-2011, 01:05 PM	#5
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	I wanna meet your Avatar, FF. And talk about CBA issues personally.

03-10-2011, 03:20 PM	#8
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	why would they decline 05-09 it has to show huge enough nos to evaluate , this could have pushed things forward a little. the players should watch there backs because its our wallets that fill theres

03-10-2011, 04:05 PM	#9
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	we have cameras in court rooms on murder trials etc, but zip on a national pastime. we all know why. its all about money and it would ensicken the general public on how greedy these rich owners and not so rich but well paid players are. and all wanting more more more. i worked hard for 30 yrs for 1 company slowly climbing the wage scale and then being let go after owners knowingly could hire college grads out of school for 1/2 what i was making . i could do nothing but pack my s--t and leave. i know nfl football won't be the same with scabs but it might be no other way to let the players know that employers will be employers and not there daddy's.
	thats the fact jack!!!!!

03-10-2011, 05:47 PM	#10
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by st thomas we have cameras in court rooms on murder trials etc, but zip on a national pastime. we all know why. its all about money and it would ensicken the general public on how greedy these rich owners and not so rich but well paid players are. and all wanting more more more. i worked hard for 30 yrs for 1 company slowly climbing the wage scale and then being let go after owners knowingly could hire college grads out of school for 1/2 what i was making . i could do nothing but pack my s--t and leave. i know nfl football won't be the same with scabs but it might be no other way to let the players know that employers will be employers and not there daddy's. I've never been in that position but I understand your point. My postion on it is to never let myself get into that position. Find a niche on the side and never let one person or company decide your fate. These players should focus on life after football since the average NFL career is 2 years. They make good money but it's not that much over the course of a lifetime if that's all you ever did. The only thing I'm with them on is the 18 game schedule and lingering medical concerns. Nobody wants the 18 games except for the owners and if they have lingering medical isssues the NFL needs to take care of them. If the owners want more of the profits then so be it, just take care of these guys when they are in pain after football. They have plenty of money to make that a reality.
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