NFL's profitability data offer rejected

Halo · 03-09-2011, 11:12 AM

A person familiar with the negotiations tells The Associated Press that the NFL offered to turn over five years of profitability data to the players' union - an offer that was rejected.

The person spoke on condition of anonymity Wednesday because the mediator overseeing the labor talks has told participants to not discuss details publicly.

According to the person who spoke to the AP, the NFL's proposal to the union included:

audited league-wide profitability data from 2005-09;
the number of teams that have seen a shift in profitability in that span;
an independent auditor to examine the data.

The NFL Players Association has long demanded that the league give it full access to financial data. The union didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

"We've made more information available in the course of this negotiation than has ever been made available in decades of collective bargaining with the NFLPA," Pash said. "Far more information. And we've offered to make even more information (available), including information that we do not disclose to our own clubs."

The current collective bargaining agreement was set to expire last week, but two extensions now have pushed the cutoff to the end of Friday.

Although progress has been made, both sides have stuck to their stances when it comes to two central issues: The NFLPA has not agreed to any major economic concessions; the NFL has not agreed to the union's long-held demand that the league completely open its books.

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saintfan · 03-09-2011, 12:44 PM

Interesting. Very interesting indeed...

Beastmode · 03-09-2011, 12:48 PM

The owners are not required by law to justify why players salaries are going to be cut. End of story. The PA needs to let this issue go because they will never win. It doesn't matter what the owners make. They can do whatever they want. If they want more of the profits then it's their right.

the-commish · 03-10-2011, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

The owners are not required by law to justify why players salaries are going to be cut. End of story. The PA needs to let this issue go because they will never win. It doesn't matter what the owners make. They can do whatever they want. If they want more of the profits then it's their right.

If the NFLPA de-certifies, and the issue goes to court, the owners WILL open their books.

They can either open them now, or wait until the court orders them to. Their choice.

Beastmode · 03-10-2011, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by the-commish

If the NFLPA de-certifies, and the issue goes to court, the owners WILL open their books.

They can either open them now, or wait until the court orders them to. Their choice.

There is an article by a Tulane professor floating around here. He explains why the NFL does not have to open the books. It's not going to happen.

SapperSaint · 03-09-2011, 02:28 PM

It really seems as though neither side wants this to work.

To the Players;

You are EMPLOYEES, NOT EMPLOYERS. No employee is allowed to demand to see the "Books" of the company it works for. Stop dragging this out and work on what YOU as PLAYERS said you wanted fixed and quit digging up more and more BS.

CheramieIII · 03-12-2011, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

It really seems as though neither side wants this to work.

To the Players;

You are EMPLOYEES, NOT EMPLOYERS. No employee is allowed to demand to see the "Books" of the company it works for. Stop dragging this out and work on what YOU as PLAYERS said you wanted fixed and quit digging up more and more BS.

Ditto P and I still can't believe that 5 years of data wasn't enough. Just makes the players look like real greedy SOB's.

Beastmode · 03-09-2011, 08:20 PM

Even if the NFL disclosed everything it would not matter. It would be like the employee at Taco Bell telling the owner hey, you make a lot more money than I thought. Give me some of that. The owner would simply tell him to leave his uniform and get out.

Crusader · 03-10-2011, 06:11 AM

I agree with you guys. Thre are a ton of guys out there who would gladly take the place of the current players in the NFL, for half the price.

SapperSaint · 03-10-2011, 07:30 AM

If the players don't watch out, the fans are going to turn them into the bad guys in this deal.

03-09-2011, 11:12 AM	#1
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,890 Blog Entries: 45	NFL's profitability data offer rejected A person familiar with the negotiations tells The Associated Press that the NFL offered to turn over five years of profitability data to the players' union - an offer that was rejected. The person spoke on condition of anonymity Wednesday because the mediator overseeing the labor talks has told participants to not discuss details publicly. According to the person who spoke to the AP, the NFL's proposal to the union included: audited league-wide profitability data from 2005-09; the number of teams that have seen a shift in profitability in that span; an independent auditor to examine the data. The NFL Players Association has long demanded that the league give it full access to financial data. The union didn't immediately respond to requests for comment. "We've made more information available in the course of this negotiation than has ever been made available in decades of collective bargaining with the NFLPA," Pash said. "Far more information. And we've offered to make even more information (available), including information that we do not disclose to our own clubs." The current collective bargaining agreement was set to expire last week, but two extensions now have pushed the cutoff to the end of Friday. Although progress has been made, both sides have stuck to their stances when it comes to two central issues: The NFLPA has not agreed to any major economic concessions; the NFL has not agreed to the union's long-held demand that the league completely open its books. READ FULL STORY AT NEWORLEANS.COM Attached Thumbnails

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	The owners are not required by law to justify why players salaries are going to be cut. End of story. The PA needs to let this issue go because they will never win. It doesn't matter what the owners make. They can do whatever they want. If they want more of the profits then it's their right.
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03-10-2011, 07:20 PM	#4
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	Originally Posted by Beastmode The owners are not required by law to justify why players salaries are going to be cut. End of story. The PA needs to let this issue go because they will never win. It doesn't matter what the owners make. They can do whatever they want. If they want more of the profits then it's their right. If the NFLPA de-certifies, and the issue goes to court, the owners WILL open their books. They can either open them now, or wait until the court orders them to. Their choice.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by the-commish If the NFLPA de-certifies, and the issue goes to court, the owners WILL open their books. They can either open them now, or wait until the court orders them to. Their choice. There is an article by a Tulane professor floating around here. He explains why the NFL does not have to open the books. It's not going to happen.
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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by SapperSaint It really seems as though neither side wants this to work. To the Players; You are EMPLOYEES, NOT EMPLOYERS. No employee is allowed to demand to see the "Books" of the company it works for. Stop dragging this out and work on what YOU as PLAYERS said you wanted fixed and quit digging up more and more BS. Ditto P and I still can't believe that 5 years of data wasn't enough. Just makes the players look like real greedy SOB's.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Interesting. Very interesting indeed...

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SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	It really seems as though neither side wants this to work. To the Players; You are EMPLOYEES, NOT EMPLOYERS. No employee is allowed to demand to see the "Books" of the company it works for. Stop dragging this out and work on what YOU as PLAYERS said you wanted fixed and quit digging up more and more BS.

03-09-2011, 08:20 PM	#8
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Even if the NFL disclosed everything it would not matter. It would be like the employee at Taco Bell telling the owner hey, you make a lot more money than I thought. Give me some of that. The owner would simply tell him to leave his uniform and get out.
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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,040	I agree with you guys. Thre are a ton of guys out there who would gladly take the place of the current players in the NFL, for half the price.

03-10-2011, 07:30 AM	#10
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	If the players don't watch out, the fans are going to turn them into the bad guys in this deal.