ESPN Top Ranked Safeties (Harper 13, Jenkins 15)

jeanpierre · 05-06-2011, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Let's not forget the 98 tackles and 6 forced fumbles.

From a statistical standpoing, 98 tackles, 6 FF, 8 PD, 3 sacks, and 1 INT from the SS position is really damn good. Your use of his numbers does nothing to prove he's a terrible player and holds no water.

Roman Harper is not an elite player... but to say he flat out sucks just once again reiterates to me that you are terrible at evaluating talent.

Do you watch Saints football; obviously not...

He was clearly isolated and targeted in the Seattle Playoff game because He Can't Cover Schiott...

How is 8 PD defensed pretty good from the Safety position?

How is 1 Int pretty damned good from the Safety position?

His talent by those numbers is obviously for his teammates to hold an opposing ball runner up so he can wheelchair over and strip them...

How is it that when numbers are clearly presented that show he's a subpar player you can't see the obvious when it stares you in the face...

And you obviously didn't see him caught from behind by a quarterback when he clearly had a jump (that's a large advantage).

How you become a moderator is beyond me...

jeanpierre · 05-06-2011, 07:53 AM

VIDEO Evidence Exhibit A

YouTube - Sam Bradford runs Roman Harper Down

papz · 05-06-2011, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Do you watch Saints football; obviously not...

No but it's become apparent that you don't.

He was clearly isolated and targeted in the Seattle Playoff game because He Can't Cover Schiott...

How is 8 PD defensed pretty good from the Safety position?

How is 1 Int pretty damned good from the Safety position?

From a statistical standpoint, this shows you're oblivious to what the other guy's numbers are. If you go back and re-read my statement, yes... those numbers are very good for a strong safety who plays close to the line.

His talent by those numbers is obviously for his teammates to hold an opposing ball runner up so he can wheelchair over and strip them...

Bias. Some strange reason why I keep attaching your name with this word... odd.

How is it that when numbers are clearly presented that show he's a subpar player you can't see the obvious when it stares you in the face...

David R. Tran, OD
Optometrist - Metairie
3501 Holiday Dr Suite 201
New Orleans , LA - 70114
Phone: 504-368-7081

He's a good friend of mine... just tell him I sent you there.

And you obviously didn't see him caught from behind by a quarterback when he clearly had a jump (that's a large advantage).

Because this automatically makes you a bad player.

How you become a moderator is beyond me...

Aw... your feelings get hurt again?

jeanpierre · 05-06-2011, 08:02 AM

VIDEO Exhibit B (Listen, Safety Play Awful, Roman Harper Physically can't get it done)

YouTube - Saints vs Seahawks Highlights 2010-2011 Wild Card Playoffs

papz · 05-06-2011, 08:04 AM

And he keeps bringing up this game.

No no... he's not bias. Of course not.

He bad he bad.

Contrary to popular belief, people do have bad games.

jeanpierre · 05-06-2011, 08:07 AM

Video Evidence and you still post showing you can't admit you're wrong...

Obviously your moderator complex is compensation from you lacking in other areas...

Not sure your Optometrist is getting a ringing endorsement right now...

Danno · 05-06-2011, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Video Evidence and you still post showing you can't admit you're wrong...

I like your insight; but on Harper, well look at the production...

How is it that when numbers are clearly presented that show he's a subpar player you can't see the obvious when it stares you in the face...

Do you watch Saints football; obviously not...

.

Gregg Williams does, and liked what he saw to the tune of 9 gameballs, more than any player on his team.

At one point midway through the season he was being talked about as possibly a Saints defensive MVP.

He's not a great SS, but he is a good one. And a lot of NFL coaches and NFL players agree, since they helped to send him to the pro-bowl, twice.

horsebot · 05-06-2011, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Do you watch Saints football; obviously not...

He was clearly isolated and targeted in the Seattle Playoff game because He Can't Cover Schiott...

How is 8 PD defensed pretty good from the Safety position?

How is 1 Int pretty damned good from the Safety position?

His talent by those numbers is obviously for his teammates to hold an opposing ball runner up so he can wheelchair over and strip them...

How is it that when numbers are clearly presented that show he's a subpar player you can't see the obvious when it stares you in the face...

And you obviously didn't see him caught from behind by a quarterback when he clearly had a jump (that's a large advantage).

How you become a moderator is beyond me...

So Harper's stats aren't that great?

Let's see how he compares to Wilson, the best SS on the list;

Wilson

total tackles - 88
sacks - 2
ints - 2
forced fumbles - 0
passes defended - 9

Harper

total tackles - 98
sacks - 3
ints - 1
forced fumbles - 6
passes defended - 8

Stacks up pretty well for a terrible player!

papz · 05-06-2011, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Video Evidence and you still post showing you can't admit you're wrong...

I have absolutely zero issues with admitting I'm wrong. What's wrong to admit?

He's not a terrible player?

From a numbers standpoint, which you are trying to use to state he is a terrible player, shows he isn't?

He had a bad game in Seattle so couldn't even clean the gum off my shoes?

The more you continue to be in denial, the worse the problems are going to get.

Obviously your moderator complex is compensation from you lacking in other areas...

I admit it... I'm Asian. My peepee probably isn't as big as yours.

Not sure your Optometrist is getting a ringing endorsement right now...

It's a well established franchise that's been there for over 10 years. He doesn't even need it. On that note, you're just hurting yourself.

SmashMouth · 05-06-2011, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I have absolutely zero issues with admitting I'm wrong. What's wrong to admit?

The more you continue to be in denial, the worse the problems are going to get.

I admit it... I'm Asian. My peepee probably isn't as big as yours.

TMI ... LOL .....!

05-06-2011, 07:51 AM	#11
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz Let's not forget the 98 tackles and 6 forced fumbles. From a statistical standpoing, 98 tackles, 6 FF, 8 PD, 3 sacks, and 1 INT from the SS position is really damn good. Your use of his numbers does nothing to prove he's a terrible player and holds no water. Roman Harper is not an elite player... but to say he flat out sucks just once again reiterates to me that you are terrible at evaluating talent. Do you watch Saints football; obviously not... He was clearly isolated and targeted in the Seattle Playoff game because He Can't Cover Schiott... How is 8 PD defensed pretty good from the Safety position? How is 1 Int pretty damned good from the Safety position? His talent by those numbers is obviously for his teammates to hold an opposing ball runner up so he can wheelchair over and strip them... How is it that when numbers are clearly presented that show he's a subpar player you can't see the obvious when it stares you in the face... And you obviously didn't see him caught from behind by a quarterback when he clearly had a jump (that's a large advantage). How you become a moderator is beyond me...
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05-06-2011, 08:01 AM	#13
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Do you watch Saints football; obviously not... No but it's become apparent that you don't. He was clearly isolated and targeted in the Seattle Playoff game because He Can't Cover Schiott... How is 8 PD defensed pretty good from the Safety position? How is 1 Int pretty damned good from the Safety position? From a statistical standpoint, this shows you're oblivious to what the other guy's numbers are. If you go back and re-read my statement, yes... those numbers are very good for a strong safety who plays close to the line. His talent by those numbers is obviously for his teammates to hold an opposing ball runner up so he can wheelchair over and strip them... Bias. Some strange reason why I keep attaching your name with this word... odd. How is it that when numbers are clearly presented that show he's a subpar player you can't see the obvious when it stares you in the face... David R. Tran, OD Optometrist - Metairie 3501 Holiday Dr Suite 201 New Orleans , LA - 70114 Phone: 504-368-7081 He's a good friend of mine... just tell him I sent you there. And you obviously didn't see him caught from behind by a quarterback when he clearly had a jump (that's a large advantage). Because this automatically makes you a bad player. How you become a moderator is beyond me... Aw... your feelings get hurt again?
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05-06-2011, 08:29 AM	#17
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Video Evidence and you still post showing you can't admit you're wrong... I like your insight; but on Harper, well look at the production... How is it that when numbers are clearly presented that show he's a subpar player you can't see the obvious when it stares you in the face... Do you watch Saints football; obviously not... . Gregg Williams does, and liked what he saw to the tune of 9 gameballs, more than any player on his team. At one point midway through the season he was being talked about as possibly a Saints defensive MVP. He's not a great SS, but he is a good one. And a lot of NFL coaches and NFL players agree, since they helped to send him to the pro-bowl, twice.

05-06-2011, 08:45 AM	#18
horsebot Rookie Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Do you watch Saints football; obviously not... He was clearly isolated and targeted in the Seattle Playoff game because He Can't Cover Schiott... How is 8 PD defensed pretty good from the Safety position? How is 1 Int pretty damned good from the Safety position? His talent by those numbers is obviously for his teammates to hold an opposing ball runner up so he can wheelchair over and strip them... How is it that when numbers are clearly presented that show he's a subpar player you can't see the obvious when it stares you in the face... And you obviously didn't see him caught from behind by a quarterback when he clearly had a jump (that's a large advantage). How you become a moderator is beyond me... So Harper's stats aren't that great? Let's see how he compares to Wilson, the best SS on the list; Wilson total tackles - 88 sacks - 2 ints - 2 forced fumbles - 0 passes defended - 9 Harper total tackles - 98 sacks - 3 ints - 1 forced fumbles - 6 passes defended - 8 Stacks up pretty well for a terrible player!
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05-06-2011, 08:46 AM	#19
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Video Evidence and you still post showing you can't admit you're wrong... I have absolutely zero issues with admitting I'm wrong. What's wrong to admit? He's not a terrible player? From a numbers standpoint, which you are trying to use to state he is a terrible player, shows he isn't? He had a bad game in Seattle so couldn't even clean the gum off my shoes? The more you continue to be in denial, the worse the problems are going to get. Obviously your moderator complex is compensation from you lacking in other areas... I admit it... I'm Asian. My peepee probably isn't as big as yours. Not sure your Optometrist is getting a ringing endorsement right now... It's a well established franchise that's been there for over 10 years. He doesn't even need it. On that note, you're just hurting yourself.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

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05-06-2011, 08:04 AM	#15
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	And he keeps bringing up this game. No no... he's not bias. Of course not. He bad he bad. Contrary to popular belief, people do have bad games.

05-06-2011, 08:07 AM	#16
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Video Evidence and you still post showing you can't admit you're wrong... Obviously your moderator complex is compensation from you lacking in other areas... Not sure your Optometrist is getting a ringing endorsement right now...

05-06-2011, 10:29 AM	#20
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Originally Posted by papz I have absolutely zero issues with admitting I'm wrong. What's wrong to admit? The more you continue to be in denial, the worse the problems are going to get. I admit it... I'm Asian. My peepee probably isn't as big as yours. TMI ... LOL .....!