Interesting fact thread.

BlackandBlue · 12-18-2003, 04:38 PM

This defense has held opponents to 20 or less points in 9-games this year. I call that JUST FINE.

That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine.

BillyC · 12-18-2003, 04:40 PM

That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine.

By all means, do that. I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way?

BayouCajun · 12-18-2003, 04:55 PM

I think the one thing that will help this team the most is a little consistency in personnel, coaches, and system.
I think a new coaching staff is gonna mean RE-BUILD and we\'re looking at another 7-9, at best. Unless we can land a Parcells type. FAT CHANCE!
But thats my personal opinion. I\'m sure some will disagree.

I feel the same way some times. What if things are just starting to come together. Again the next two games should tell us something. If we start playing inconsist again Has, should go.

[Edited on 18/12/2003 by BayouCajun]

BlackandBlue · 12-18-2003, 04:56 PM

I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way?

Wouldn\'t suprise me. Heaven forbid you judge AB under the same light.

BillyC · 12-18-2003, 05:02 PM

Wouldn\'t suprise me. Heaven forbid you judge AB under the same light.

Oh, I have. You and others just choose to focus on \"parts\" of what I say about Brooks. I don\'t know what else to say about Brooks to please some folks. Unless, I call for him to get traded or cut. Then I would need to call him stupid, ignorant, blah, blah, blah, .....

Nope. I\'ll tell the WHOLE story and you believe what you want to. Everyone\'s got their opinion B&B. I just see things a little different than you and the masses on here. Believe me, it ain\'t like that everywhere. Only here!!

BayouCajun · 12-18-2003, 05:02 PM

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That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine.
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By all means, do that. I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way?

If you did that the defense, AB, and Deuce would all be equal because they all do play on the same team.

WhoDat · 12-19-2003, 05:06 PM

Thank you Billy, you proved my point fully.

Tweek said:

I think we\'ll have a very good year next year with some basic assumptions...
1. We don\'t have an inordinate (excessive) amount of injuries.
2. We address both CB and LB via free-agency/draft with an above average player.
3. We re-sign Darren Howard. Re-signing Boo wouldn\'t hurt either.

I believe all 3 of those assumptions are necessary for a stellar year next year.

I responded by trying to show that I had assumptions for this year too, and although they all came true (to varying degrees) that it still didn\'t change the outcome of this season. Did it?

COming into this season, did you NOT say that the defense would get better, that AB would get better, and that Deuce would have another great year? I believe you did. Now, you argue that all of those things happened - what\'s our record? Did all of those things that YOU and even I said needed to happen for the Saints to be good actually make us good? No. So from where I\'m sitting, as long as Haslett is the coach, I\'m going to have a hard time believing that this team will get to the next level. Why? B/c even when they do what they need to in order to get better, they find a way to drop the ball somewhere else (AB pun completely intended) and fall short of the playoffs. So if all of those things that Tweeky thinks need to happen for us to be better next season come true, will we be in the playoffs? Only if all of our strengths this season don\'t turn into weaknesses next season... but as long as Haslett is the coach, I\'ll have a hard time believing that will happen.

BillyC · 12-19-2003, 05:26 PM

WhoDat --

I don\'t like to agree with you too often

, but I do agree with you about Haslett. No matter who we sign, I will have BIG doubts if Haslett WILL get the job done. I THINK he can, if we sign the right players. But, like I said, I think the smart money is on getting a NEW coach. However, as Danno brought up, that could turn into another rebuilding program.

WhoDat · 12-19-2003, 05:35 PM

Yeah... it COULD. But it could also turn into a Jon Gruden a la TB Bucs Super Bowl year. This team is stacked with talent. Some smart personnel moves in the offseason and while we might hit some speed bumps in the beginning of the season, I think a good coach could keep us in striking distance and have us making a run at year end.

Yeah, a rebuilding year would suck... BUT... give me a rebuilding year followed by years of competitiveness and playoffs over years and years of squandered talent and mediocrity any time.

JKool · 12-19-2003, 07:27 PM

Wasn\'t this a re-building year? We revamped the entire defense. If we are in favor of a rebuilding year followed by a year of competitiveness, then we ought to shut up about how things are going this year.

Now, I\'ve been on the get-rid-of-Haz bandwagon this week, but what if we play two more great games and consider this a rebuilding year (let alone make the playoffs)? Should we keep Haz next year then?

I have to agree with Danno, the chance that a new coach will send us into yet another rebuilding year is pretty scary to me. I think it would depend on what coaches we were considering to replace Haz (I\'m sure we could check their track record for purging players when the move in). If we could find a coach that is unlikely to purge a bunch o\' the boys, then I might be in favor of that. This team has too many quality guys to just dump a bunch so we can get a new coach.

12-18-2003, 04:38 PM	#31
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Interesting fact thread. This defense has held opponents to 20 or less points in 9-games this year. I call that JUST FINE. That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine.

12-18-2003, 04:40 PM	#32
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Interesting fact thread. That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine. By all means, do that. I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way?
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12-18-2003, 04:55 PM	#33
BayouCajun Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26	Interesting fact thread. I think the one thing that will help this team the most is a little consistency in personnel, coaches, and system. I think a new coaching staff is gonna mean RE-BUILD and we\'re looking at another 7-9, at best. Unless we can land a Parcells type. FAT CHANCE! But thats my personal opinion. I\'m sure some will disagree. I feel the same way some times. What if things are just starting to come together. Again the next two games should tell us something. If we start playing inconsist again Has, should go. [Edited on 18/12/2003 by BayouCajun]
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12-18-2003, 04:56 PM	#34
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Interesting fact thread. I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way? Wouldn\'t suprise me. Heaven forbid you judge AB under the same light.

12-18-2003, 05:02 PM	#35
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Interesting fact thread. Wouldn\'t suprise me. Heaven forbid you judge AB under the same light. Oh, I have. You and others just choose to focus on \"parts\" of what I say about Brooks. I don\'t know what else to say about Brooks to please some folks. Unless, I call for him to get traded or cut. Then I would need to call him stupid, ignorant, blah, blah, blah, ..... Nope. I\'ll tell the WHOLE story and you believe what you want to. Everyone\'s got their opinion B&B. I just see things a little different than you and the masses on here. Believe me, it ain\'t like that everywhere. Only here!!
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12-18-2003, 05:02 PM	#36
BayouCajun Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26	Interesting fact thread. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That\'s cool. Meanwhile, I\'ll sit over here and judge our defense based on the only thing that matters, overall record. Oh yeah, just fine. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By all means, do that. I\'ll judge Deuce and our running game the same way? If you did that the defense, AB, and Deuce would all be equal because they all do play on the same team.
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12-19-2003, 05:06 PM	#37
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Interesting fact thread. Thank you Billy, you proved my point fully. Tweek said: I think we\'ll have a very good year next year with some basic assumptions... 1. We don\'t have an inordinate (excessive) amount of injuries. 2. We address both CB and LB via free-agency/draft with an above average player. 3. We re-sign Darren Howard. Re-signing Boo wouldn\'t hurt either. I believe all 3 of those assumptions are necessary for a stellar year next year. I responded by trying to show that I had assumptions for this year too, and although they all came true (to varying degrees) that it still didn\'t change the outcome of this season. Did it? COming into this season, did you NOT say that the defense would get better, that AB would get better, and that Deuce would have another great year? I believe you did. Now, you argue that all of those things happened - what\'s our record? Did all of those things that YOU and even I said needed to happen for the Saints to be good actually make us good? No. So from where I\'m sitting, as long as Haslett is the coach, I\'m going to have a hard time believing that this team will get to the next level. Why? B/c even when they do what they need to in order to get better, they find a way to drop the ball somewhere else (AB pun completely intended) and fall short of the playoffs. So if all of those things that Tweeky thinks need to happen for us to be better next season come true, will we be in the playoffs? Only if all of our strengths this season don\'t turn into weaknesses next season... but as long as Haslett is the coach, I\'ll have a hard time believing that will happen.
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12-19-2003, 05:26 PM	#38
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Interesting fact thread. WhoDat -- I don\'t like to agree with you too often , but I do agree with you about Haslett. No matter who we sign, I will have BIG doubts if Haslett WILL get the job done. I THINK he can, if we sign the right players. But, like I said, I think the smart money is on getting a NEW coach. However, as Danno brought up, that could turn into another rebuilding program.
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12-19-2003, 05:35 PM	#39
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Interesting fact thread. Yeah... it COULD. But it could also turn into a Jon Gruden a la TB Bucs Super Bowl year. This team is stacked with talent. Some smart personnel moves in the offseason and while we might hit some speed bumps in the beginning of the season, I think a good coach could keep us in striking distance and have us making a run at year end. Yeah, a rebuilding year would suck... BUT... give me a rebuilding year followed by years of competitiveness and playoffs over years and years of squandered talent and mediocrity any time.
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12-19-2003, 07:27 PM	#40
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Interesting fact thread. Wasn\'t this a re-building year? We revamped the entire defense. If we are in favor of a rebuilding year followed by a year of competitiveness, then we ought to shut up about how things are going this year. Now, I\'ve been on the get-rid-of-Haz bandwagon this week, but what if we play two more great games and consider this a rebuilding year (let alone make the playoffs)? Should we keep Haz next year then? I have to agree with Danno, the chance that a new coach will send us into yet another rebuilding year is pretty scary to me. I think it would depend on what coaches we were considering to replace Haz (I\'m sure we could check their track record for purging players when the move in). If we could find a coach that is unlikely to purge a bunch o\' the boys, then I might be in favor of that. This team has too many quality guys to just dump a bunch so we can get a new coach.
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