Saints SS Harper not interested in hometown discount

07-16-2011, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by strato

Ok FF maybe its time for you to manage me..lol..15% off the top for you...and getting back to Harper..love the guy..but he scares the crap out of me in coverage...i think teams will try and expose that this year.G.W will have to game plan to make sure he gets help or it might get ugly..

He wasn't exposed for 16 games last year. He covered very well for a SS.

Danno · 07-16-2011, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by strato

That was smart game planning by G.W...we all know Harper lacks the speed to cover a fast TE or WR..bout like Shanle...I would like Weddle also.

Most NFL SS's lack the speed to cover fast TE's and WR's.

But Harper didn't have any trouble covering Shianco, Vernon Davis, Tony Gonzalez, Kellen Winslow, or Jason Whitten . All pretty fast TE's in my book.

the-commish · 07-16-2011, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I think Usama's time here is done. He hasn't improved much from year to year and has been burned consistently over the past couple of seasons. I no longer feel comfortable with him getting snaps at corner... and he hasn't showed me much of anything at safety either. He's also invisible on special teams.

The safety crop at SS in my opinion isn't strong... so I personally do not agree with you saying Harper is a guy that is really replaceable. He excels in our system and has gone to multiple Pro Bowls. It's not as easy replacing that as you seem to make it out to be.

I'd love to have Weddle here... who in my opinion is a better overall safety and can play both spots along with spot nickel duty in some packages. But, he's going to get a massive contract on the open market this offseason.

I think Usama Young will be re-signed, and for basically one reason... he can play multiple positions. He has played some at FS, and CB, and SS, so he is versatile. That means he would likely give the team an extra position on the roster. Guys like that do wonders for your team, even though they do not excel anywhere, and are not great players. Usama will be re-signed.

Jack Vegas · 07-17-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I think Usama's time here is done. He hasn't improved much from year to year and has been burned consistently over the past couple of seasons. I no longer feel comfortable with him getting snaps at corner... and he hasn't showed me much of anything at safety either. He's also invisible on special teams.

I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper.

Danno · 07-17-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper.

You are correct. He had a great game, in fact he got a gameball for the 1st one.

He has a future at FS/SS, just not at CB. Whenever he's gotten burned, its been at CB.

Jack Vegas · 07-17-2011, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by strato

I like Young ,,and he does posses better speed at SS than Harper...he might get his shot..i mean if the Hometown discount aint enough...but i hope if Harper walks we bring in a good vet to man that spot..what SS FAs are out there?

Quintin Mikell is probably the best player out there but he's going to make bank just like Harper. I like Melvin Bullitt from the Colts myself, being in Indy I've seen a lot of him and he's a complete safety. Very underrated player.

papz · 07-17-2011, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper.

I'm sorry but a good game against the gaudy Carolina Panthers doesn't show me he's capable of replacing our Pro Bowler Roman Harper. Why should I forget about everything else he's done here for the past few years? It's relevant to how much he's grown as a player. He hasn't. I'm fine with him being a reserve here because the talent is there... well at least the measureables.

Jack Vegas · 07-17-2011, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm sorry but a good game against the gaudy Carolina Panthers doesn't show me he's capable of replacing our Pro Bowler Roman Harper.

He played another great game against the Seahawks, against an offense that clearly took advantage of Roman Harper in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by papz

Why should I forget about everything else he's done here for the past few years?

Pray tell, what has he done that's so awful, besides being a good backup and special teamer? We can't fault him for being burned at the corner when he's NOT A CORNER.

BTW, that play in the Super Bowl everybody always talks about to illustrate how bad he is? He got no safety help, and guess whose side it was on? Hint: he wears #41.

Originally Posted by papz

It's relevant to how much he's grown as a player. He hasn't.

That's merely your opinion, don't state it as fact. Regardless, if you keep an open mind and judge him on his performance at safety, you'll find you're wrong.

papz · 07-18-2011, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

He played another great game against the Seahawks, against an offense that clearly took advantage of Roman Harper in the playoffs.

"Great game"... well that's quite an exaggeration. They threw the ball all over us. If Lynch didn't lose two fumbles, they scoring in that game would have been higher.

So basically one "great game" against mighty Carolina Panthers and "great game" against the Seahawks and sudden now he's ready to take over for Roman Harper. This does not compute.

Pray tell, what has he done that's so awful, besides being a good backup and special teamer? We can't fault him for being burned at the corner when he's NOT A CORNER.

Since I have not called him an awful player, I couldn't explain this to you. Usama Young is an average backup and special teams player. A so-called 2 "great games" does not disclude what he's done over past couple of seasons. You can keep not calling him a corner, but that's the position where he was drafted and played at for the past 5 seasons. Now while this may not the best position for him, I'm sorry but that's where plays for the most part.

BTW, that play in the Super Bowl everybody always talks about to illustrate how bad he is? He got no safety help, and guess whose side it was on? Hint: he wears #41.

It's happened on more than one occasion where he has been caught looking into the backfield. I'm not excluding Harper from any blame... we all know he's not exactly the best cover guy out there. He's a box safety.
Yes he's upgradeable... but the money it'll cost to do so isn't worth it especially with our own free agents looming. I'm not blind and bias into thinking he's an all world safety. I'm also not blind into thinking Usama Young is the answer because he had two "great games".

That's merely your opinion, don't state it as fact. Regardless, if you keep an open mind and judge him on his performance at safety, you'll find you're wrong.

It seems to me that you're the one pushing Harper as being easily replaceable and Young as a more than adequte replacement for him. I am open minded... I'm aware he has talent and the measureables to succeed there. I'm aware Young plays better with the ball in front of him. But in 5 years, he hasn't shown much. And that... is a FACT.

If you're going to continue to sit there and use his "great game" against Carolina to reason that he'll be a good replacement for Harper than you my friend... need to take off the blinders and think logically.

jeanpierre · 07-18-2011, 05:27 PM

How bout this brothers, Young and Harper beg for an upgrade at the Strong Safety position...

Both Dawan Landry and Quintin Mikell are two free agents that would be awesome in the Saints scheme...

Donte Whitner is also available...

07-16-2011, 11:49 AM	#21
Threaded by Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by strato Ok FF maybe its time for you to manage me..lol..15% off the top for you...and getting back to Harper..love the guy..but he scares the crap out of me in coverage...i think teams will try and expose that this year.G.W will have to game plan to make sure he gets help or it might get ugly.. He wasn't exposed for 16 games last year. He covered very well for a SS.
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07-16-2011, 12:19 PM	#22
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by strato That was smart game planning by G.W...we all know Harper lacks the speed to cover a fast TE or WR..bout like Shanle...I would like Weddle also. Most NFL SS's lack the speed to cover fast TE's and WR's. But Harper didn't have any trouble covering Shianco, Vernon Davis, Tony Gonzalez, Kellen Winslow, or Jason Whitten . All pretty fast TE's in my book.

07-16-2011, 01:29 PM	#23
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	Originally Posted by papz I think Usama's time here is done. He hasn't improved much from year to year and has been burned consistently over the past couple of seasons. I no longer feel comfortable with him getting snaps at corner... and he hasn't showed me much of anything at safety either. He's also invisible on special teams. The safety crop at SS in my opinion isn't strong... so I personally do not agree with you saying Harper is a guy that is really replaceable. He excels in our system and has gone to multiple Pro Bowls. It's not as easy replacing that as you seem to make it out to be. I'd love to have Weddle here... who in my opinion is a better overall safety and can play both spots along with spot nickel duty in some packages. But, he's going to get a massive contract on the open market this offseason. I think Usama Young will be re-signed, and for basically one reason... he can play multiple positions. He has played some at FS, and CB, and SS, so he is versatile. That means he would likely give the team an extra position on the roster. Guys like that do wonders for your team, even though they do not excel anywhere, and are not great players. Usama will be re-signed.

07-17-2011, 12:08 PM	#24
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by papz I think Usama's time here is done. He hasn't improved much from year to year and has been burned consistently over the past couple of seasons. I no longer feel comfortable with him getting snaps at corner... and he hasn't showed me much of anything at safety either. He's also invisible on special teams. I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper.
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07-17-2011, 12:15 PM	#25
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper. You are correct. He had a great game, in fact he got a gameball for the 1st one. He has a future at FS/SS, just not at CB. Whenever he's gotten burned, its been at CB.

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07-17-2011, 02:42 PM	#26
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by strato I like Young ,,and he does posses better speed at SS than Harper...he might get his shot..i mean if the Hometown discount aint enough...but i hope if Harper walks we bring in a good vet to man that spot..what SS FAs are out there? Quintin Mikell is probably the best player out there but he's going to make bank just like Harper. I like Melvin Bullitt from the Colts myself, being in Indy I've seen a lot of him and he's a complete safety. Very underrated player. strato likes this.
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07-17-2011, 08:03 PM	#27
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I would challenge you to go back and look at 2 game early in the season when Harper was out and Usama took his place. Usama played lights out from the strong safety spot. Forget about everything else, just watch him play and then try to tell me he isn't capable of replacing Harper. I'm sorry but a good game against the gaudy Carolina Panthers doesn't show me he's capable of replacing our Pro Bowler Roman Harper. Why should I forget about everything else he's done here for the past few years? It's relevant to how much he's grown as a player. He hasn't. I'm fine with him being a reserve here because the talent is there... well at least the measureables.

07-17-2011, 10:10 PM	#28
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by papz I'm sorry but a good game against the gaudy Carolina Panthers doesn't show me he's capable of replacing our Pro Bowler Roman Harper. He played another great game against the Seahawks, against an offense that clearly took advantage of Roman Harper in the playoffs. Originally Posted by papz Why should I forget about everything else he's done here for the past few years? Pray tell, what has he done that's so awful, besides being a good backup and special teamer? We can't fault him for being burned at the corner when he's NOT A CORNER. BTW, that play in the Super Bowl everybody always talks about to illustrate how bad he is? He got no safety help, and guess whose side it was on? Hint: he wears #41. Originally Posted by papz It's relevant to how much he's grown as a player. He hasn't. That's merely your opinion, don't state it as fact. Regardless, if you keep an open mind and judge him on his performance at safety, you'll find you're wrong. strato likes this.
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07-18-2011, 01:32 PM	#29
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Originally Posted by Jack Vegas He played another great game against the Seahawks, against an offense that clearly took advantage of Roman Harper in the playoffs. "Great game"... well that's quite an exaggeration. They threw the ball all over us. If Lynch didn't lose two fumbles, they scoring in that game would have been higher. So basically one "great game" against mighty Carolina Panthers and "great game" against the Seahawks and sudden now he's ready to take over for Roman Harper. This does not compute. Pray tell, what has he done that's so awful, besides being a good backup and special teamer? We can't fault him for being burned at the corner when he's NOT A CORNER. Since I have not called him an awful player, I couldn't explain this to you. Usama Young is an average backup and special teams player. A so-called 2 "great games" does not disclude what he's done over past couple of seasons. You can keep not calling him a corner, but that's the position where he was drafted and played at for the past 5 seasons. Now while this may not the best position for him, I'm sorry but that's where plays for the most part. BTW, that play in the Super Bowl everybody always talks about to illustrate how bad he is? He got no safety help, and guess whose side it was on? Hint: he wears #41. It's happened on more than one occasion where he has been caught looking into the backfield. I'm not excluding Harper from any blame... we all know he's not exactly the best cover guy out there. He's a box safety. Yes he's upgradeable... but the money it'll cost to do so isn't worth it especially with our own free agents looming. I'm not blind and bias into thinking he's an all world safety. I'm also not blind into thinking Usama Young is the answer because he had two "great games". That's merely your opinion, don't state it as fact. Regardless, if you keep an open mind and judge him on his performance at safety, you'll find you're wrong. It seems to me that you're the one pushing Harper as being easily replaceable and Young as a more than adequte replacement for him. I am open minded... I'm aware he has talent and the measureables to succeed there. I'm aware Young plays better with the ball in front of him. But in 5 years, he hasn't shown much. And that... is a FACT. If you're going to continue to sit there and use his "great game" against Carolina to reason that he'll be a good replacement for Harper than you my friend... need to take off the blinders and think logically.
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07-18-2011, 05:27 PM	#30
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	How bout this brothers, Young and Harper beg for an upgrade at the Strong Safety position... Both Dawan Landry and Quintin Mikell are two free agents that would be awesome in the Saints scheme... Donte Whitner is also available...