Should Saints be looking for WRs?

strato · 08-14-2011, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

This from the guy who thinks Ivory is our best RB?

To a guy who makes no sense...lol...and as pure runner im sure im not the only one..

Beastmode · 08-14-2011, 11:22 PM

Receiving to me has more to do with timing. The receivers the Saints have have been together for a good stretch and know where they need to be. Are they among the best talent wise? No. They all have their limitiations from a physical standpoint. But there is no factor for character. Willingness to do what is best for the team without all the glory. Add to that the accuracy of Brees...I don't see how bringing in another receiver talent wise would make this group any better. Our receivers are about as on time on taget as it gets in the NFL as a whole.

saintsfan1976 · 08-14-2011, 11:24 PM

Pure runner? lol Okay, strat...

SAINT_MICHAEL · 08-14-2011, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Having an elite receiver added to our group of WR's certainly wouldn't shorten his career.

You could be right. I think he is the type of QB who would go through his progressions regardless, so I would think it negligable. But who knows. You could also argue that an "elite" receiver might break bigger plays more often and therby over a season reduce the number of overall offensive snaps a QB would have to take. Again possible. But it could be that having a #1 guy would make a QB hold the ball longer to wait for him to get open as well. All speculation with too many variables.

But on the issue strictly of adding to a QBs longevity, the WR talent has very little to do with things IMO. More likely it is the other way around; a bad QB can quickly shorten a career by leaving a pass over the middle for a WR. OLine and even running backs controling a run game and picking up the blitz have much more impact.

Again, I think they should watch the waiver wire as rosters get cut. I don't know who, but I'm guessing that they could possibly pick up some team's #2 guy from the last few seasons who was let go for cap reasons. A guy with skills and experience could thrive with this team should someone go down.

Seer1 · 08-15-2011, 12:44 AM

Ha ha ha! I hear Ochocinco might soon be available....

SAINT_MICHAEL · 08-15-2011, 01:11 AM

I say

Crusader · 08-15-2011, 01:44 AM

I think we have a good group and don't see the need for an "elite" reciever, whatever that is. We have a group comitted to working as a group for the good of the team and not for their own stats i'd like it best if we don't start messing with that.

Memnoch_TP · 08-15-2011, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Probably the one thing we disagree on...

We lack a "true" #1.

Before you answer "Colston" - where would he be without Brees?

Moore is good. But can he survive outside the slot?

Meachem is good. But is he anything more than a younger Devery Henderson???

I'm beginning to think that our WR's succeeded more from the presence of Reggie Bush than without.

Just a thought...

Colston. If it was all Brees, Meatchump and Devery would be awesome. They aren't bad, but they aren't great. It shows in their play. In an offense that spreads the ball around so much, Colston consistently pulls in 1000+ yards and 9-10 TDs a season, year in and year out.

If he wasn't a great receiver, he wouldn't stand out like he does. With a crap QB his height and sure hands would end up seeing him with as good or better numbers than he gets every season, year in and year out, with Drew Brees and the Saints.

Memnoch_TP · 08-15-2011, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Devil's advocate here...

So that's why Colston was drafted so high??

That is a great argument, if you are Canton Legend. What he does on the field is irrelevant, because he was drafted in the 7th round and that limits his ability. Being drafted late makes him just a little slower, and a little dumber, and makes it harder for him to catch a ball.

Poor PT23, being undrafted he obviously can't play at all. Just ignore that Super Bowl ring of his, he is stuck on a list with a bunch of other undrafted nobodies who suck just because they were undrafted.

I mean, how did those idiots on the Hall of Fame committee elect Night Train Lane or Warren Moon? Their play was irrelevant, they weren't even drafted so they obviously bite. Night Train's record for INTs by a rookie has only stood for almost 60 years... Get back to me when it stands for 160, you undrafted loser! Kurt Warner? Trash. John Randall? Garbage. Antonio Gates? Rubbish. Jeff Saturday? WORST CENTER EVER! Don't even get me started on Wes Welker. Shoddy wanna-be. The fact that he has a record for most catches in a Super Bowl is a disgrace to every 1st round WR like Meachem out there! Those records should belong to people who are drafted high, not people who go out there and actually perform on the field.

What is the NFL coming to?

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Remember that Colston's first training camp in New Orleans was almost his last.

Another brilliant point. Remember 6 years ago, when he was a rookie coming from a small school, and almost didn't (but did) make the team. Right before he pulled in 70 receptions for 1,038 yards and 8 TDs? I mean, what take into consideration years of consistently excellent play? He had a rough camp 6 years ago! The guys sucks!

saintsfan1976 · 08-15-2011, 07:56 AM

LOL. Nice rant... You're acting like I said Colston isn't a talented receiver. Not at all what I said. He's been an extremely productive player, a hard worker, great character and I'm glad we have him.

I just don't think he would be this kind of player had he not landed in New Orleans. And yes, same could be said about PT.

Landing in the right (or wrong) system will make or break a career.

AJ Green has talent. Drafted before Julio Jones. But he'll suffer for the next 5 seasons in Cleveland while Julio makes the probowl.

08-14-2011, 11:19 PM	#31
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 This from the guy who thinks Ivory is our best RB? To a guy who makes no sense...lol...and as pure runner im sure im not the only one..

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Receiving to me has more to do with timing. The receivers the Saints have have been together for a good stretch and know where they need to be. Are they among the best talent wise? No. They all have their limitiations from a physical standpoint. But there is no factor for character. Willingness to do what is best for the team without all the glory. Add to that the accuracy of Brees...I don't see how bringing in another receiver talent wise would make this group any better. Our receivers are about as on time on taget as it gets in the NFL as a whole. \|Mitch\| likes this.
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08-14-2011, 11:24 PM	#34
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Having an elite receiver added to our group of WR's certainly wouldn't shorten his career. You could be right. I think he is the type of QB who would go through his progressions regardless, so I would think it negligable. But who knows. You could also argue that an "elite" receiver might break bigger plays more often and therby over a season reduce the number of overall offensive snaps a QB would have to take. Again possible. But it could be that having a #1 guy would make a QB hold the ball longer to wait for him to get open as well. All speculation with too many variables. But on the issue strictly of adding to a QBs longevity, the WR talent has very little to do with things IMO. More likely it is the other way around; a bad QB can quickly shorten a career by leaving a pass over the middle for a WR. OLine and even running backs controling a run game and picking up the blitz have much more impact. Again, I think they should watch the waiver wire as rosters get cut. I don't know who, but I'm guessing that they could possibly pick up some team's #2 guy from the last few seasons who was let go for cap reasons. A guy with skills and experience could thrive with this team should someone go down.
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Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Probably the one thing we disagree on... We lack a "true" #1. Before you answer "Colston" - where would he be without Brees? Moore is good. But can he survive outside the slot? Meachem is good. But is he anything more than a younger Devery Henderson??? I'm beginning to think that our WR's succeeded more from the presence of Reggie Bush than without. Just a thought... Colston. If it was all Brees, Meatchump and Devery would be awesome. They aren't bad, but they aren't great. It shows in their play. In an offense that spreads the ball around so much, Colston consistently pulls in 1000+ yards and 9-10 TDs a season, year in and year out. If he wasn't a great receiver, he wouldn't stand out like he does. With a crap QB his height and sure hands would end up seeing him with as good or better numbers than he gets every season, year in and year out, with Drew Brees and the Saints.
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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	I think we have a good group and don't see the need for an "elite" reciever, whatever that is. We have a group comitted to working as a group for the good of the team and not for their own stats i'd like it best if we don't start messing with that.

08-15-2011, 03:35 AM	#39
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Devil's advocate here... So that's why Colston was drafted so high?? That is a great argument, if you are Canton Legend. What he does on the field is irrelevant, because he was drafted in the 7th round and that limits his ability. Being drafted late makes him just a little slower, and a little dumber, and makes it harder for him to catch a ball. Poor PT23, being undrafted he obviously can't play at all. Just ignore that Super Bowl ring of his, he is stuck on a list with a bunch of other undrafted nobodies who suck just because they were undrafted. I mean, how did those idiots on the Hall of Fame committee elect Night Train Lane or Warren Moon? Their play was irrelevant, they weren't even drafted so they obviously bite. Night Train's record for INTs by a rookie has only stood for almost 60 years... Get back to me when it stands for 160, you undrafted loser! Kurt Warner? Trash. John Randall? Garbage. Antonio Gates? Rubbish. Jeff Saturday? WORST CENTER EVER! Don't even get me started on Wes Welker. Shoddy wanna-be. The fact that he has a record for most catches in a Super Bowl is a disgrace to every 1st round WR like Meachem out there! Those records should belong to people who are drafted high, not people who go out there and actually perform on the field. What is the NFL coming to? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Remember that Colston's first training camp in New Orleans was almost his last. Another brilliant point. Remember 6 years ago, when he was a rookie coming from a small school, and almost didn't (but did) make the team. Right before he pulled in 70 receptions for 1,038 yards and 8 TDs? I mean, what take into consideration years of consistently excellent play? He had a rough camp 6 years ago! The guys sucks!
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08-15-2011, 07:56 AM	#40
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	LOL. Nice rant... You're acting like I said Colston isn't a talented receiver. Not at all what I said. He's been an extremely productive player, a hard worker, great character and I'm glad we have him. I just don't think he would be this kind of player had he not landed in New Orleans. And yes, same could be said about PT. Landing in the right (or wrong) system will make or break a career. AJ Green has talent. Drafted before Julio Jones. But he'll suffer for the next 5 seasons in Cleveland while Julio makes the probowl.