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Taken from another site :

Guess that Jake Conspiracy theory is getting some validation ...... ;)

Haslett tanked the season due to Brooks fragile ego , and people wonder about those players that quit on Hazbeen and those he deems cancerous .

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Who cares, Duece and Aaron were both banged up at the end of 2002, and the defense was horrible. Even if the Saints would have stumbled into the playoffs, they would have been blown out in the first round.

I love the logic some Jake supporters use, during AB and Jake debates.

Aaron, Saints 8-8.

Jake, Panthers 11-5.

Jake is better.

How about

Duece, Saints 8-8.

Stephen Davis, Panthers 11-5.

Davis is better.

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Hindsight is always 20/20 and I\'m sure Jim Haslett is kicking himself in the cahonies right now. Who cares? I care. As a Saints fan, everyone should be happy they at least make the playoffs and Haz screwed us out of it by letting Brooks play hurt and not giving Jake the chance. Now Jake is showing what he can do as a field general. I, for one, I\'m extremely happy for what Jake is doing (and proving) in Carolina. It just chaps my hide that he was never given that opportunity in New Orleans.

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Jim Haslet, 8-8

John Fox, 11-5

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Board across board the point is being made :

Who cares ??? Would that question exclude those making these posts ???

Who cares ??

Most likely anyone that can see beyond the quarterback comparison to some other glaring problems .

Like Hasletts commitment to winning in New Orleans .
Hasletts ability to judge talent on the football field .
And how big of a liar is Haslett .

Who cares ?? Any Saints fan that wants to see the Saints in the play offs ....... ;)

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It at least has to make you wonder. I mean, what was Haslett thinking?

At the beginning of the season (\'02) he comes out talking about how happy he is about the Saints QB situation. He says that Aaron will be a star and that Jake could start a lot of other places in the league. What we saw from Jake in preseason and Aaron in the first 7 games certainly supported that claim.

Fast forward two months and Brooks is a better option than Delhomme with an injury to his throwing arm that is clearly effecting his throwing motion and velocity? Sounds like Haslett is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Jake is good enough to start a lot of places in this league... Aaron at 70% or worse is a better option than Delhomme.... WHAT?!

I guess maybe that would be true if Brooks were a Peyton Manning type player, or had shown the sucess and built the legend that Favre has. But that\'s not the case. Delhomme\'s year this year in his FIRST as a starter was about as good as Brooks\' year, and this was his third FULL year as a starter.

That\'s fine by me. The further Delhomme goes and the more praise he receives the higher the pressure on Haslett to suceed or else.

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Hey Who Dat

Got one question for you , are you feeling wrong ???

Just wondering , because I am not feeling wrong are you ???...... :P

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This one is hysterical
The Jim Beam kicks in about the half way point and the spelling goes out the window ..

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Jake plays well for what he is asked to do. I\'ll give Jake credit where credit is due. But, let\'s be honest, Jake isn\'t asked to do that much. Bill Parcells says that the less you have to rely on the QB, the better off you are. It seems like John Fox follows that same belief.

The Panthers seem to be a team of destiny and someone seems to make a play when they need it. I thought their luck would have run out a long time ago, but they are still on the \"magical mystery tour.\"

Anyway, y\'all can look at the Panther\'s record and proclaim Jake\'s greatness and compare him to Brooks, but Jake\'s done something that it took Peyton 6-years to do. So, instead of comparing him to Brooks, let\'s compare him to Peyton. That\'s fair, RIGHT?

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Not takin\' anything away from Delhomme 08, but you continue to bring it up so here we go again...

Jake failed to crack the starting lineup in New Orleans...you say it was a conspiracy...I say it was definately not a conspiracy. Jake also failed to crack the starting lineup in NFL Europe as I recall. He was also undrafted. The great Bill Parcells had a chance to sign him last year and, being the great coach and great judge of talent we all know him to be opted not to.

Even his current coach didn\'t have him in the starting lineup at the beginning of the year. Having said all that, I think Jake has done an exceptional job this year. He\'s also playing on a team with an incredible defense...at team that gets more breaks than Evil Kenieval. Carolina was a dropped pass (Tory Holt I think it was) from going home. They\'ve been on the brink all year. To their credit they keep on winning, and to his creadit Jake seems to be getting better and better...I\'m all about credit where credit is due...but why do you think it took Jake so long?

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The Panther\'s offensive line impresses me just as much as their defensive line. They open up huge holes for their running backs and Delhomme has all kinds of time to throw the ball.

I\'d love to have the Panther\'s offenisve and defensive lines. They can keep Jake and let\'s give the Panthers our offensive and defensive lines. I would take Jake, but I wouldn\'t want to take the one thing that makes them so successful.

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Jake knows to stay in bounds when the team is trying to take time off the clock , cannot teach it and it does not show up on a stat sheet ......

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Let me rephrase the original question.

Why, in your opinion, did Jake go undrafted, fail to start in NFL Europe, and get passed over by one of the (generally considered) great talent evaluators (Bill Parcells) in the game today?

(a) the great Jake Delhomme conspiracy theory
(b) Jake doesn\'t practice well
(c) Cajun Accent
(d) other

**if you answer \"D\", please explain**

Now, before people (you know who you are) jump in here and try and get me banned for debating this topic, let me say the following:

1. I didn\'t start it
2. It\'s a legitimate quesiton directed at the artist of the \"Great Jake Delhomme Conspiracy Theory\"

:P

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Billy why do you refuse to give credit where credit is due. Delhomme has put the same sort of numbers Brooks did in his first year as starter and more importantly has time and time again put his team in a position to win when they needed to. Delhomme as a starter is now 2-0 in the post season; however, you continue to provide excuses for his success. First it was Stephen Davis, but when you add that we have Duece that argument doesn\'t float. Now it is the oline. How about you just confess that Delhomme has had a good season and stop trying to combat that? He hasn\'t been great but I think that his first year as a starter was a pretty good one.

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seraph33 --

I gave credit where credit was due. I posted EXACTLY what I feel the truth is. Nothing more, nothing less. Carolina would be just as successful with Trent Dilfer at QB? Do you argree with that?

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As poetically put by Eminem .

Why does Montana fall to the third round before being picked ??

Why does Warner have to walk on and try out , before leading one of the most prolific offenses in N.F.L. history .

Why is Brett Favre a misfit til he lands in Green Bay .

The cases and the names go on and on .

The answer is simple , we learn it before we ever walk into a classroom .

Square pegs do not go in round holes ......

Delhomme never fit the Dallas system , that would have been a terrible career mistake for Jake .

What is the biggest difference on offense between the 2000 season and the 2003 season Saintsfan ???

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As per your usual 08 you still haven\'t answered the question....and it\'s not really a hard one. Try to answer it...really...just try. No harm in giving it a shot. I even made it multiple choice in an attempt to keep you from doin\' what you just did. It was really an honest attempt to get you to actually come on out and answer the very simple question.

My guess is you don\'t/can\'t answer it straight up because the very simple and quite obvious answer flies directly in the face of your conspiracy theory...unless, of course you think the Conspiracy wasn\'t limited to Haz and in fact the entire NFL (to include NFLE) was in on the conspiracy.

Still waitin\' on that answer...

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D. Square pegs do not go in round holes ......

Would Jeff Garcia make a great Raider quarterback ???

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I think Garcia would do OK in the Raiders system. Obviously you don\'t. Why not? Please spread the knowledge?

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08\'s response:
Is this an answer? Lets see...
Jake went undrafted because...square pegs do not go in round holes...
Jake failed to start in NFL Europe because...square pegs do not go in round holes...
Bill Parcells (we all agree I think is a solid evaluator of talent) overlooked Jake because...square pegs do not go in round holes...

Yeah, 08, ok. (rolling my eyes in complete disbelief)






[Edited on 12/1/2004 by saintfan]

[Edited on 12/1/2004 by saintfan]

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Brooks best game in the 2003 season ???

Personal opinion , no stats ....

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This is another attempt at turning this into a Brooks debate, and I won\'t bite. No sense in that 08. I think we can see your answer was something less than a complete one(that it was anything at all related to the question is questionable). In my opinion it didn\'t even address the question. But that\'s ok.

I\'m not addressing which QB had the better game this year or which one might have the better game next year. I\'m on record as saying I have nothing against Jake. I\'m on record saying I think Jake has done well and continues to get better. What I\'m attempting to ask you is a very simple (in my opinion) question about why Jake went undiscovered for so long. The root of the question is centered around your attempt to push this ridiculous (in my opinion) idea of some sort of conspiracy theory that you say Haz had against Jake. If you don\'t want to answer then that\'s fine. If you\'d like to honestly answer then that\'s fine too. If you wanna turn this into a Brooks vs. Delhomme debate you\'re welcome to try, but for me, your refusal to give a complete, relative answer is really all the answer I need. ;)

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Not really .

The Haz / Delhomme conspiracy actually goes back to his days as a defensive coordinator for the Steelers .

Brooks best game in the 2003 season ???

Personal opinion , no stats and no Delhomme comparisons to your opinion .

Feel better ????

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Do I \"feel better\"? Not really, because this isn\'t really an answer...

and neither is this...

...but thank you for playing...







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Uh, Saintfan, can I see some proof that says that Parcells decided Delhomme was not good enough to pursue? Can you show me some quotes or news reports?

How do you know that Carolina didn\'t offer more or offer first? How do you know that Parcells didn\'t like Delhomme, but had more glaring needs on a bad team? How do you know Jake didn\'t just decide that he would rather be in Carolina?


Let\'s get to the root of the argument... actually there have been two thus far:

1. Some of us say that Haslett\'s decision NOT to play Delhomme at the end of the \'02 season was a mistake. Some may say it is a conspiracy while others, like myself, simply think that Haslett misdiagnosed Brooks\' injury and didn\'t want a quarterback controversy. While no one can say with certainty that the Saints WOULD have made the playoffs with Delhomme at the helm you can\'t argue that playing Brooks certainly didn\'t get us there.

2. Many of us feel now, or have felt in the past, that Delhomme is a better option for the Saints. We cite his leadership, intelligence, and obvious ability to learn and improve as reasons, and believe that those qualities outweigh Brooks\' athleticism. We also cite Brooks\' leadership, \"apparent\" focus/dedication questions, and inability to progess as problems. If you believe BillyC, which we all know I do (at least in his ability to accurately quote Bill Parcells ;) ), then the better quarterback is one who quickly distributes the ball to the true playmakers on the team (WRs, RBs, and TEs), and understands his job is not to be THE playmaker. I, for one, have argued exactly that when talking about the type of QB I think the Saints need. I can find quotes if you would like. Additionally, I have suggested that leadership, dedication, smarts, and selflessness are not amongst Brooks\' strong points.

Would you care to comment?

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The answer is :

D. Square pegs do not go in round holes.....

Which you obviously do not understand .

To get you to understand , answer :

Brooks best game in the 2003 season ???

For a slightly more complicated question :

The original Packers draft commentary I use sometimes

What the scouts are saying . . .

AFC scout: \"He\'s not a detail guy. I get the feeling that Brooks isn\'t a worker or a studier. That scares you for a guy who\'s going to get barely any practice reps and will have to learn in the classroom.\"

NFC scout: \"Maybe there\'s some hope for him as a wide receiver. He\'s a great athlete. Horrible quarterback.\"

Any ideas on where they got the scout comments ??

Ever heard the term L-11 route ???

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59.2 completion %
3219 yards
80.6 passer rating

in playoffs vs. St. Louis
61.5 completion %
290 yards passing
1 TD
1 Int
he didn\'t have S. Davis

I\'m sorry but I think Jake is doing alot better than Dilfer. You never wanted to put the game in Dilfer\'s hands, and couple of times this year when the Panthers were down late they went to the air and Jake put them in a position to win. Delhomme has done alot better than some on this board give him credit for. Notice: I am not saying we should have him at QB b/c there is no point to it. Brooks will be our QB for another year and that\'s the fact and I\'m living with that; however, I can help but feel that some are just trying to find excuses not to give him the credit he deserves. I guess the next one will be that John Fox is an offensive guru.

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You know what, guys like Saintfan are right. 08 and I obviously have an agenda. Apparently, so does the NFL. Just look at the story on their home page today.

http://www.superbowl.com/playoffs/story/7000310

Delhomme is no secret

By Pat Kirwan

(Jan. 12, 2004) -- An NFL team never drafted him, but now he\'s on the verge of leading his team to the Super Bowl. Before I get into why was it possible that the league could pass on this kid back in the 1997 draft, it appears that others have passed on this young man along the way. Of course, I\'m talking about Jake Delhomme, the Carolina Panthers quarterback who has to be considered the best offseason acquisition of 2003.

Born on Jan. 10, 1975 in Lafayette, La., the 6-foot-2, 210-pound Delhomme came out of Teurlings Catholic High School (his hometown school), where he was an all-state defensive back -- even though he threw for 6,703 yards and 65 touchdown passes.

Did he get a major college scholarship? There wasn\'t a Louisiana State University, Texas, Southern Cal or Florida in his decision-making process. So Delhomme headed to the closest college -- Louisiana-Lafayette -- to his home, where he was the only true freshman to start for the Division I-A school in 1993. He finished up his college career with 9,216 yards and 64 touchdowns. Delhomme was even a better college QB than he was a high school signal-caller. But the NFL draft came and went and no one thought he was even worth a seventh-round pick. I\'m telling you, NFL evaluators still don\'t know how to measure character, leadership and toughness properly. But along came Saints general manager Bill Kuharich, who offered him a free-agent contract.

Long before Delhomme was a household name, Kuharich would talk to me about this natural-born leader he signed after the draft. He said the kid had something magical about him. I once spoke with Kuharich after he had left the Saints organization and he told me, \"If ever I get another chance to run an NFL franchise, I\'m going to build it around Jake Delhomme.\" That was back in 2000 after a young Delhomme had a grand total of two NFL starts with three touchdown passes and five interceptions.

All Delhomme had ever asked for was a chance to start and that\'s why he chose the Panthers and head coach John Fox one week after he was granted unconditional free agency on Feb. 28, 2003. He didn\'t start in the opener this season, but Delhomme came off the bench at halftime and threw three touchdown passes to lead his team to victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Fox didn\'t get much consideration for Coach of the Year in 2003, but if you had considered his team being in the NFC Championship Game in only his second year and factored in the trust level he has in Delhomme, who hadn\'t started a game since 1999 and only threw 10 passes in three years before joining the Panthers, you might want to reconsider your vote.

What this story is about is how much Delhomme has grown since he got the chance to start. Unlike a lot of rookie quarterbacks who get thrown on the field as high-priced draft picks and crumble under the pressure and expectations, Delhomme just keeps getting stronger.

After that remarkable second half to launch his Panthers career, he was asked to be a caretaker of a team with a good running game and a solid defense. But from the first month of the season until the last month, Delhomme has become much more than that and the Eagles are his next stop along his incredible journey. Let\'s compare his numbers from the first month when his team won all four games to his last four games, which includes playoff wins over Dallas and St. Louis, the first- and 12th-ranked pass defenses in the league.

Delhomme by the numbers
Weeks W/L Attempts Completions YDs. TDs INTs
1-4 4-0 93 53 542 4 4
16-19 4-0 120 79 1,014 6 3

[NOTE - yeah, that stat above shows that in his first 4 games of the season he threw for 542 yards, 4 TDs, and 4 INTs. In his last 4 games (including 2 playoff games and two very good pass defenses) he\'s thrown for over 1000 yards, 6 TDs, and 3 INTs. Show me that kind of improvement from Brooks EVER - hell show me that kind of consistency out of Brooks ever]


Notice that the Panthers coaches now have him averaging 30 passes per game as compared to the 23 passes per game back in September. With those seven extra attempts per game, Delhomme increased his yards per game from 135 to 253. He has arrived as a legitimate NFL quarterback who can carry his weight and win games with his arm, if and when he has to. If Delhomme goes into 2004 as productive as he is ending the 2003 season, he will throw for over 4,000 yards and 24 touchdowns.

In an era where salary-cap issues, ages of players and the intangibles are all critical factors for a team, it is refreshing to see the Jake Delhomme story happen. As for Fox, it might be too late for the Coach of the Year award, but it\'s not too late for him to be named Talent Evaluator of the Year. The challenge Delhomme presents to the talent evaluators around the NFL as they watch the college all-star practices the next few weeks is to not let the next Delhomme slip through the cracks, or they might find themselves watching the playoffs on TV back home.



Geez 08, what in God\'s name were we thinking? Saintfan was right, we clearly only like the guy b/c we have an agenda. Oh, and Billy, remember all that crap you gave me about saying Delhomme will be a franchise QB? Well, apparently the former GM of OUR TEAM agrees... show me one who doesn\'t. Seems to me like an agenda has, in fact, been exposed. The BillyC/Saintfan Brooks-loving agenda. To quote a certain member of this board.... \"EXPOSED!\"

[Edited on 13/1/2004 by WhoDat]

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Who Dat

Another fine post but you missed one little item ......

The one stat Brookians cannot compare Delhomme to this year ......

Post season ratings .....

Passer Rating
Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating
Peyton Manning IND 681 56 44 8 0 87 156.9
Jake Delhomme CAR 563 55 34 2 1 70 100.8
Brett Favre GB 499 66 41 3 1 44 94.2
Trent Green KC 212 30 18 1 0 25 92.6
Donovan McNabb PHI 248 39 21 2 0 45 90.5
Jake Plummer DEN 181 30 23 1 2 34 74.4
Tom Brady NE 201 41 21 1 0 41 73.3
Steve McNair TEN 369 49 32 2 4 49 67.5
Matt Hasselbeck SEA 305 45 25 0 1 34 67.4
Anthony Wright BAL 214 37 20 1 2 35 57.7
Quincy Carter DAL 154 36 21 0 1 28 56.9
Marc Bulger STL 332 46 27 0 3 28 53.9


Manning and Delhomme the 2 highest rated passers in the post season .... ;)

For those select few Delhomme bashers may I suggest :

Fried Crow

Can either fry on the bone or filet the meat. To tenderize the meat
you need to cook in a pressure cooker for 15 minutes at 10 pounds
or boil in water with a tablespoon of salt until tender to being stuck
with a fork. Remove the breast or filets from the pressure cooker or
boiling pot. Flour and shallow fry in a pan until golden brown. The
filets are great fun to pass off to your friends as chicken gizzards.

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I do also think I remember seeing a stat that showed that he had the second highest QB rating in the league when his team was trailing... and what was it? 7 wins decided by three or less? 4-1 in overtime games this season, including a playoff game? I can\'t WAIT to hear how BC and the Sunshine Band crawfish outta this one.

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Micky Spagnola went on the radio and stated that the Cowboys offered Delhomme a contract that was similar to the one he received from Carolina. Delhomme thought he had a better shot at starting with the Panthers.
But maybe it was job security. Honestly, if I was Delhomme and I was comparing the Cowboys and the Panthers offense, I would probably lean towards Carolina, especially since they signed Stephen Davis, and he wouldn\'t have to shoulder the load.

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Well I thank you Whodat. That\'s a damn good response to the question that was asked of 08. It doesn\'t really answer the question, but it\'s a lot better than 08\'s \"square peg / round hole\" response. You just can\'t seem to get me dude. My participation in this thread is not to drag Jake through the mud. My intention (quite plainly) was to get 08 to back his \"Conspiracy Theory\". My contention is Jake, for whatever the reason, was unable to show his coaches (plural -- meaning not just Jim) what he had.

08 now contends Haz conspired to keep Jake off the field back when he was the Pittsburg Defensive coordinator ?!? :o If you wanna support that theory that\'s your business. I\'d submit that most of us know better. I\'d submit that you know better too. I\'d submit that 08 know\'s better as well. My guess is most of what he posts is tounge-in-cheek, so take him seriously and defend him if you feel it necessary. In other words...knock yo self out buddy. If it feels good do it! ;)

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And my contention is that he did show many current and former Saints coaches and executives what he was capable of. Those people all said he was good enough to build a team around, or at least, good enough to start in a lot of places around the league. Haslett, being one of those people, was right in that assessment. However, when it came time to backup those claims, he did not. Was it a simple mistake that even Haslett kicks himself about now? Maybe. I still contend that Haslett did not make a change b/c he had too much invested in Aaron Brooks, was being pigheaded, and did not want the second QB controversy in two years. If you feel that Haslett\'s actions were justified, hey good for you. I think they demonstrated a big problem a long time ago. I called Haslett for that and continued to say that I preferred Jake over Brooks (something I said BEFORE Brooks\' injury). Now, a little over a year later almost everyone agrees that Haslett is not doing a great job as a coach and the AB vs. Delhomme argument is starting to regain momentum as Jake continues to prove that he is capable of being as good a QB as Aaron Brooks, if not better.

In essence, you\'ve argued that Haslett was fair in his assessment and treatment of Delhomme - I disagree. You\'ve argued that Brooks is the better QB. Maybe he was at the time b/c of playing experience, but after this season that statement no longer holds true. It looks to me like they\'re in a dead heat - too bad for Brooks that Delhomme has progressed more in this one season than he has in three and a half.

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WhoDat --

Delhomme has progressed more in one year than Brooks in 3? Care to back that up? Is that because you feel that Delhomme has played so well and that\'s the reason the Panthers are in the NFC championship game? We both know better than that. Let\'s look at strictly the play of both QB\'s?

Here\'s my arguement for Brooks:

1. Led the league in fewest interceptions.
2. Plays for an inadequete coaching staff.
3. Has been playing with a team that has an inadequete defense.
4. Delhomme has a better offensive line, that allows him all day in the pocket.
5. Our play calling is terrible at times and because of that, Deuce has been absolutely shut down. Has the Panthers running game been shut down like ours? If you\'re answer is no -- Why not?

Anyway, Delhomme is more vocal and seems to be more of a vocal leader, but that\'s about all you can say. Delhomme has made a BUNCH of bone-headed decisions this year. A BUNCH!!

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One last repsonse to this thread and then I\'m done here.

Whether it was a mistake or not is a matter of opinion, and I\'m not saying your wrong whodat. It\'s commonplace around here to think Brooks cost the Saints a shot at the playoffs at the end of last year. I can\'t tell you he was the same QB in those last three games, but I will tell you that Jake Reed, in my opinion, did far more to cost the Saints a playoff spot. Go back and watch the Carolina game from that year and you\'ll see Brooks hit Reed dead in his hands with two different \"would be\" touchdown passes that he dropped. Jim\'s contention wasn\'t that Delhomme couldn\'t play, it was that Brooks could. That will be debated here and elsewhere and that\'s fine.

I want to make it perfectly clear that it seems this thread has been turned into yet another Brooks/Delhomme debate. The very debate YOU said you were tired of many months ago. Yet, here we are again. I didn\'t start it. Billy didn\'t start it. Go figure huh?

I asked a very simple question and it still hasn\'t been answered. Clearly it\'s not going to be answered...at least no one seems willing to give it an honest shot. Just asking the question \"Why did so many people seem to fail to recognize what Jake has to offer?\" has generated more comparisons and that wasn\'t the intention. I can\'t believe Jake has to be verified through slamming another player. He surely shouldn\'t have to be. Jake is doing well of his own accord isn\'t he? So why did it take him so long? Why didn\'t his coaches see it sooner? Ditka didn\'t see it right? Haz didn\'t see it either right? Whomever coached him in NFLE didn\'t see it. For that matter neither did John Fox, since Jake was the backup when the season started right? In 08\'s opinion it\'s because \"square pegs do not go in to round holes\". Is that an answer? You might think it is, but I do not. That\'s all. Nothing more. 08 can\'t just answer. I knew he wouldn\'t be able to. I kinda figured you\'d be in here eventaully to back him up...and you arrived right on time. So, maybe you can answer it. Maybe you can\'t. Let me try it ok?

Why did it take so long for Jake to make his big splash?

Hmmmm...maybe he doesn\'t practice well. Maybe he throws a lot of interceptions in practice ( I really don\'t know if he does or doesn\'t). Maybe he\'s not tall enough or doesn\'t have impressive arm strength and coaches are reluctant to give a guy a shot when he\'s not \"prototypical\". I really don\'t know.

OR

There\'s a Conspiracy against Jake designed and executed by Haslett that started when Jim was still with the Steelers with the one goal of keeping Jake Delhomme off the field at any cost.

Which do you think is more likely Whodat? Forget 08 and his silly posts for a minute and tell me, which do you REALLY believe is more likely? Remember this has NOTHING in the world to do with Aaron Brooks ok? Leave Brooks out of it if you can and tell me what you think...which is more likely to be true?

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Brilliant. THE best line I\'ve read about the Brooks debate all year. But its lost on too many Brooks bashers and Jake worshippers.

But I give Jake all the credit in the world for beating out Rodney Peete and Chris Weinkie.

I\'d bet JT O\'Sullivan would be starting for Carolina this Sunday if he had signed with Carolina instead of Jake.

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Saintsfan

Any idea what the connection would be ???

Or are you spoutin out your cake hole ???

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saintfan --

The answer is simple really. It took Jake so long to get on the field because he failed to impress anyone that wasn\'t from Louisiana!! It\'s really that simple. If Jake were from New York, you wouldn\'t see all the Jake supporters. Seriously, what made ANYONE think Jake would be a good QB other than he was from south Louisiana and he had a cajun accent. He never played enough for anyone to think he could do anything. The other reason folks wanted Jake on the field is because of their dislike for Brooks.

The reason Jake became the starting QB in Carolina wasn\'t because he impressed John Fox. Nope!! It because Carolina had no other choice, they had Rodney Peete..NUFF SAID!!

But, Jakes done well. But, to hear some of these folks, he\'s done some incredible things. Which he has not. It amazing to hear the Brooks bashers give Delhomme a free pass. Go figure!!

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Saintsfan spin

;)

FORMER NFL Europe League quarterback JAKE DELHOMME (Amsterdam 1998/Frankfurt 1999) came off the bench to throw three touchdown passes in Carolina Delhomme, who won a World Bowl with the Galaxy in 1999.

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\"But, Jakes done well. But, to hear some of these folks, he\'s done some incredible things. Which he has not.\"

I have to disagree, Billy. I think Jake has done an amazing job this year. Now, I don\'t particularly think he is an outstanding QB at this point and his stats tend to bear that out. But he is winning games as the starting QB and that is important, too.

I think most of us would rather have W\'s than a QB with great stats. My problem with Jake being annointed a QB God is that his good fortune this year might not exist if he were starting for another team.

Compare the Saints and the Panthers and you\'ll see two teams with pretty good offenses. Carolina\'s was actually better than most of us had anticipated. The defenses are a different story especially throughout the first half of the year. The Panther\'s D was just out and out better than the Saints.

Carolina\'s D kept them in their games. Had Jake been playing with the Saints he wouldn\'t have had that cushion.

Lastly, if not for further good fortune from the referees, Jake\'s record as a starter would likely be worse. I know of at least two games this year that Carolina was helped by questionable calls. Had those calls been made correctly, Jake is 9-7 starter. Still good, but not great.