BillyC

I\'m not sure he\'s THAT much better either. But, who\'s to say he\'s not? I can realistically see a good receiver coach making a big difference. How \'bout we give the man a chance?

There\'s a lot that\'s changed since Haslett arrived. Even though our offense didn\'t meet the level of play from the previous year, our offense is still pretty damn good. Our special team units have a chance to be special again. The defense did improve some.

Now, let me be the first to say, I don\'t like the job that Haslett and co. have done the last couple of years, but, I feel like we are only two or three players away from being an uppper team. With a little luck and and some improved coaching (it does happen) we can be very good. Will that happen? I don\'t know, but I\'m going to look at the facts and not view EVERYTHING as being negitive, even though I wanted a new coach too.

BillyC

You\'re assuming that the reason he replaced the receiver coach was ONLY because of dropped passes. Maybe route running, adjusting routes, learning to play press coverage better, etc, ect,... was part of the reason also. Ever think of that? Of course you DIDN\'T!!
It\'s also mentioned that Robinson is BIG on discipline. Sounds good to me.

[Edited on 15/1/2004 by BillyC]

saint5221

I like this hire and Billy you touched on why it was proably made. This is from Pro Football weekly posted 10 days ago
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...HI/default.htm

Sound like they got what they were looking for, someone better suited to work with Stallworth after the horrendous year he had.

It was also very good to hear Horn smooth over the crap storm of his earlier outburst. One less distraction for a team with enough issues to contend with.


[Edited on 1/15/2004 by saint5221]

saintz08

Great cuzz here is what you like :

Fred Graves receivers - 58.4 completion percentage and 19 drops
Alexander Hubbard - 58.7 completion percentage and 26 drops
Jimmy Robinson - 55.8 completion percentage and 32 drops

Disciplinarian ??

Would that be that he disciplines his receivers after they drop more balls then Hubbards unit and do not create the separation for the completion ???

Wait wait , I got it . The disciplinarian part comes in from the fact that Horn pulled the cellphone gag against Robinson\'s Giants .... :casstet:

[Edited on 15/1/2004 by saintz08]

BillyC

saintz08 --

Are your stats for dropped passes OFFICIAL stats? Do ya have a LINK? If so, please provide one for me?? I don\'t mean to be to put you to any trouble, but you make me wonder about the credibility of your information sometimes. Ok, all the time, but that\'s another story.

Now, I must ask you something 08!! Why are we to believe that because some team had more dropped passes than another team, that it makes their receiver coach not qualified? Furthermore, oh nevermind........

saintz08

http://www.stats.com/

You are gonna have to pay the piper , to verify . And yes they are the official stat keeper to the N.F.L. .

Is the primary function of a receiver to catch balls ???

SFinAustin

As far as I remember, Price played in Atlanta this season. Not sure if you were paying attention.

Robinson has coached Toomer, Hilliard, Harrison (Marvin), Andre Rison, and Michael Haynes among others.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe, half of those drops came from Tiki Barber? He\'s known for his great hands! Furthermore, I\'m sure Shockey and the rookie TE never dropped a pass this year! Never!

[Edited on 15/1/2004 by SFinAustin]

saintfan

That would mean that 08 would have to look at something from a perspective that isn\'t entirely negative, and since Haz hired the man you can bet that isn\'t gonna happen.

saintz08

Roflmao - That would have been a pretty long pass from scrimmage , Buffalo to Atlanta . My writing must have looked like something Saintsfan would have written .Supposed to be Once featured , OMG I have been reading Saintsfans posts to long I am typing like him ..lol

Not sure How many drops Barber has but according to this write up below in week 12 , Shockley is the bumble artist in New York and last I checked he is also a receiver .

Week 12 - Monday Night
Nov 24, 2003,

New York Giants vs. Tampa Bay


The Giants’ Offense really hasn’t consistently clicked all year, there have been spurts of production from Kerry Collins who has put up several 300 yard passing games, but the production is far from the prolific offense we expected to see in New York this year. Collins has thrown for 2655 yards but only 12 TDs in comparison to 13 interceptions giving him a barely passable QB rating of 74.0. Amani Toomer is still stretching defenses on the outside, hauling in 43 balls for 750 yards. The downside, Toomer has only 2 touchdowns. The teams red zone threat, if you could say they have one, has been Ike Hilliard who has 6 TD catches. To make matters worse, the much anticipated maturation of Jeremy Shockey at TE has been hampered by injuries, dropped passes, and an occasion homophobic remark. He’s been a solid Tight End but hasn’t drawn coverage like he did in his rookie year. All of this aside, the greatest problem the Giants have had is on there offense line. The line has three new starters and has allowed 17 sacks this year. Not quite Texanesque, but hardly the base for a high powered passing game. The running game, while still strong behind Tiki Barber, has been hampered by a cas of the fumbles. Barber better learn to hold onto the ball or the team may quickly forget his dual threat potential. Coming into the game with Tampa Bay, the Giants had better get well quick. Shockey is listed as questionable and will play if Fassel determines it won’t reaggravate his injury. Ike Hilliard is also questionable. If he doesn’t play, keep an eye on rookie David Tyree who broke out for 106 yards last game. Look for the Giants to take it slow this game and try to get off to a solid start behind Tiki and then open up the passing game in the second quarter. I expect the Giants offense to get on track against a Tampa defense that has been more bark than bite this year.

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

saintfan

May I ask just what it is, exactly, that 08 has against posting a link?

And I\'m still waitin\' on somebody to loan me their decoder ring.

:P

[Edited on 15/1/2004 by saintfan]