Why the Colts QB?

WhoDat · 01-23-2004, 02:26 PM

I am saying two things here.

1. Haslett and Loomis have had the money and opportunity to sign good defensive players and they haven\'t. That\'s their bad and has nothing to do with Brooks.

2. Even with that being said, value is important in football. I don\'t think anyone on this board is dumb enough to say that you should pay a guy more than he is worth. Aaron Brooks is not worth $36 million. Period. The other players we could get for that money, whether that\'s one Woodson or four Chris Claibornes, or even a couple of OTs, are more valuable to me than Brooks is.

BillyC · 01-23-2004, 02:36 PM

You\'re right WhoDat. Players do need to earn their money. But, should they have to play up to their salary right away or is there a window there for them to justify their salary? If players are to earn their money right away then I can go around the league and show you players that aren\'t achieving that!!

[Edited on 23/1/2004 by BillyC]

saintfan · 01-23-2004, 02:53 PM

Whodat\'s angle, if I may, is that he didn\'t want 2 things...

(a) to sign Brooks at all

and

(b) that he Definately didn\'t want to sign Brooks for that amount of Money.

I\'m not trying to be antagonistic I swear, but to me I think that\'s where he\'s coming from. If that\'s true then he\'s going to continue to agrue for what he thinks...and I don\'t blame him for that...even if he\'s incorrect. See, if Brooks had an off year then according to Whodat he\'s \"all of a sudden\" not worth what we\'re payin him, when, next year he may very well light it up. Heaven knows he\'s lit it up before. The Money issue is yet another attempt to validate an opinion. And I\'m not tryin\' to jump on ya hear Whodat, I just think that with those of you that don\'t want Brooks on this team it\'s always gonna be SOMEthing.

BillyC · 01-23-2004, 03:09 PM

This Thread needs to be killed Joe!

Regardless of Whodat\'s agenda that you are so eager to prove.

The fact is almost every member here but you and 2 other guys disagree with Whodat on those points.

You\'re fighting a losing battle trying to prove every single member but 2 wrong in every thread.

If you are right and time will tell I\'m sure everyone will eat crow. But nobody thinks Brooks is underpaid or earned his coins this year.

That ain\'t gonna change until next season, so could everyone give it a rest as far as trying to prove other people wrong.

PS: This is kind of a peace offering thread not a debate so you can respond or just be cool.

Peace offering??? You\'re an obnoxious JERK and where to you get off telling someone what to post? JERK!!

Yeah, I\'ll get banned but so what!! I call it like I see it and I don\'t care to see it no MORE. Gator is the biggest trouble maker this board has ever seen and this board would be SO MUCH better without him........See ya folks.

WhoDat · 01-23-2004, 04:13 PM

Uncalled for Billy. Besides, we all know that Saintfan is the worst!

Saintfan, you have a point, BUT... in my opinion, this was Brooks\' best year. I\'ll substitute a few TDs and yards for higher completion percentage and efficiency rating. Brooks\' 19 turnovers were less than his 22 INTs in \'02. \'03 was his best year ever and he still wasn\'t top five. So it\'s not a matter of me being myopic and saying that b/c the guy had an \"off-year\" that he is now overpaid all of a sudden. He\'s been overpaid since he got the contract and I think this was his best year yet.

That being said, I also don\'t limit my concerns about Brooks to money. I continue to think that he is wrong for our system, not a leader, not overly intelligent (in fact I might say underly intelligent), and I have a hard time believing that he will ever be successful or accepted in NO. It\'s better for the Saints and better for Brooks to part... the same is true of Haslett from where I\'m sitting.

saintfan · 01-23-2004, 04:33 PM

You never know how Brooks would respond if the fans in New Orleans ever embraced him. They never really have.

If Brooks had his best year in 03 then he surely must be improving right? Aren\'t so many people screaming about his lack of improvement? I have always been less about defending Brooks (I know, your jaw just dropped) and more about attempting to point out that there are other things that have to happen for a team to be successful. Maybe I come across differently, but that has always been my intention. Brooks play is as good as it needs to be to take this team all the way, and I for one (or is it three) think he\'s only going to get better.

If you think Brooks is wrong for the Saints system then so be it. I think the \"system\" scored enough points to win last year and certainly the year before. The system with the problem is the defense, so why people want to continue to focus on Brooks, to me, is amazingly short-sighted and narrow.

Gator, I probalby should just say nothing and let it go but there\'s nothing evil about my saying that Brooks, as a starter, was surely underpaid by any NFL standard before he signed his contract. To say that nobody thinks he earned his coins this year is, well, your opinion. I don\'t share it. I think there are probably more that just 3 of us that are guilty of nothing more than having an opinion that\'s different from yours. I may be in the majority and I may not be, but I am doing my best not to play hometown favorites and not to make wild assumptions or dream up silly conspiracy theories that I shove down people\'s throats. I don\'t think it\'s time to give up on Haz and I certainly don\'t think it\'s time to give up on Brooks. I\'m also trying to say all this in the nicest way possible...

WhoDat · 01-23-2004, 04:51 PM

Now I feel like lighting a candle and singing. Who\'s with me?

saintfan · 01-23-2004, 04:57 PM

I\'ve attacked people (whodat and 08 come to mind instantly) vigorously. Billy has done the same. I\'m trying to keep it civil. I know whodat doesn\'t like me. Ok. I also know that you don\'t like Billy and he doesn\'t care much for you. Ok. It is my opinion that none of us have done any worse to any of the group that any of the others have done. If Whodat doesn\'t want me here he can get over it. Same for anybody else cept for JOESAM and HALO. That goes for Billy, and YOU, and 08, and anybody else. We\'re all smartazzez when it gets right down to it. To tell the truth I like makin\' Whodat angry, and I\'ll never hear the word CLEARLY (thanks Troy Aikman) the same again!
LMAO

:P

WhoDat · 01-23-2004, 05:05 PM

Glad to know I left a lasting impression. And hey Saintfan, I\'ll say this. I do LOVE to hate you!!

Naw, you\'re growing on me. Just so long as the word \"agenda\" stays out of your posts, I\'m happy. Looks like you and Billy are laying off the Who-Tang recently. Good, it\'s time for you two to sober up, wipe those beer goggles off your faces, and admit that I\'m right. LMAO. :P

saintfan · 01-23-2004, 05:07 PM

Thanks Whodat. I hate you too...

:P

01-23-2004, 02:26 PM	#21
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why the Colts QB? I am saying two things here. 1. Haslett and Loomis have had the money and opportunity to sign good defensive players and they haven\'t. That\'s their bad and has nothing to do with Brooks. 2. Even with that being said, value is important in football. I don\'t think anyone on this board is dumb enough to say that you should pay a guy more than he is worth. Aaron Brooks is not worth $36 million. Period. The other players we could get for that money, whether that\'s one Woodson or four Chris Claibornes, or even a couple of OTs, are more valuable to me than Brooks is.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-23-2004, 02:36 PM	#22
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Why the Colts QB? You\'re right WhoDat. Players do need to earn their money. But, should they have to play up to their salary right away or is there a window there for them to justify their salary? If players are to earn their money right away then I can go around the league and show you players that aren\'t achieving that!! [Edited on 23/1/2004 by BillyC]
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01-23-2004, 02:53 PM	#23
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why the Colts QB? Whodat\'s angle, if I may, is that he didn\'t want 2 things... (a) to sign Brooks at all and (b) that he Definately didn\'t want to sign Brooks for that amount of Money. I\'m not trying to be antagonistic I swear, but to me I think that\'s where he\'s coming from. If that\'s true then he\'s going to continue to agrue for what he thinks...and I don\'t blame him for that...even if he\'s incorrect. See, if Brooks had an off year then according to Whodat he\'s \"all of a sudden\" not worth what we\'re payin him, when, next year he may very well light it up. Heaven knows he\'s lit it up before. The Money issue is yet another attempt to validate an opinion. And I\'m not tryin\' to jump on ya hear Whodat, I just think that with those of you that don\'t want Brooks on this team it\'s always gonna be SOMEthing.
	C'mon Man...

01-23-2004, 03:09 PM	#24
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Why the Colts QB? This Thread needs to be killed Joe! Regardless of Whodat\'s agenda that you are so eager to prove. The fact is almost every member here but you and 2 other guys disagree with Whodat on those points. You\'re fighting a losing battle trying to prove every single member but 2 wrong in every thread. If you are right and time will tell I\'m sure everyone will eat crow. But nobody thinks Brooks is underpaid or earned his coins this year. That ain\'t gonna change until next season, so could everyone give it a rest as far as trying to prove other people wrong. PS: This is kind of a peace offering thread not a debate so you can respond or just be cool. Peace offering??? You\'re an obnoxious JERK and where to you get off telling someone what to post? JERK!! Yeah, I\'ll get banned but so what!! I call it like I see it and I don\'t care to see it no MORE. Gator is the biggest trouble maker this board has ever seen and this board would be SO MUCH better without him........See ya folks.
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01-23-2004, 04:13 PM	#25
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why the Colts QB? Uncalled for Billy. Besides, we all know that Saintfan is the worst! Saintfan, you have a point, BUT... in my opinion, this was Brooks\' best year. I\'ll substitute a few TDs and yards for higher completion percentage and efficiency rating. Brooks\' 19 turnovers were less than his 22 INTs in \'02. \'03 was his best year ever and he still wasn\'t top five. So it\'s not a matter of me being myopic and saying that b/c the guy had an \"off-year\" that he is now overpaid all of a sudden. He\'s been overpaid since he got the contract and I think this was his best year yet. That being said, I also don\'t limit my concerns about Brooks to money. I continue to think that he is wrong for our system, not a leader, not overly intelligent (in fact I might say underly intelligent), and I have a hard time believing that he will ever be successful or accepted in NO. It\'s better for the Saints and better for Brooks to part... the same is true of Haslett from where I\'m sitting.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

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01-23-2004, 04:33 PM	#26
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why the Colts QB? You never know how Brooks would respond if the fans in New Orleans ever embraced him. They never really have. If Brooks had his best year in 03 then he surely must be improving right? Aren\'t so many people screaming about his lack of improvement? I have always been less about defending Brooks (I know, your jaw just dropped) and more about attempting to point out that there are other things that have to happen for a team to be successful. Maybe I come across differently, but that has always been my intention. Brooks play is as good as it needs to be to take this team all the way, and I for one (or is it three) think he\'s only going to get better. If you think Brooks is wrong for the Saints system then so be it. I think the \"system\" scored enough points to win last year and certainly the year before. The system with the problem is the defense, so why people want to continue to focus on Brooks, to me, is amazingly short-sighted and narrow. Gator, I probalby should just say nothing and let it go but there\'s nothing evil about my saying that Brooks, as a starter, was surely underpaid by any NFL standard before he signed his contract. To say that nobody thinks he earned his coins this year is, well, your opinion. I don\'t share it. I think there are probably more that just 3 of us that are guilty of nothing more than having an opinion that\'s different from yours. I may be in the majority and I may not be, but I am doing my best not to play hometown favorites and not to make wild assumptions or dream up silly conspiracy theories that I shove down people\'s throats. I don\'t think it\'s time to give up on Haz and I certainly don\'t think it\'s time to give up on Brooks. I\'m also trying to say all this in the nicest way possible...
	C'mon Man...

01-23-2004, 04:51 PM	#27
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why the Colts QB? Now I feel like lighting a candle and singing. Who\'s with me?
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01-23-2004, 04:57 PM	#28
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why the Colts QB? I\'ve attacked people (whodat and 08 come to mind instantly) vigorously. Billy has done the same. I\'m trying to keep it civil. I know whodat doesn\'t like me. Ok. I also know that you don\'t like Billy and he doesn\'t care much for you. Ok. It is my opinion that none of us have done any worse to any of the group that any of the others have done. If Whodat doesn\'t want me here he can get over it. Same for anybody else cept for JOESAM and HALO. That goes for Billy, and YOU, and 08, and anybody else. We\'re all smartazzez when it gets right down to it. To tell the truth I like makin\' Whodat angry, and I\'ll never hear the word CLEARLY (thanks Troy Aikman) the same again! LMAO :P
	C'mon Man...

01-23-2004, 05:05 PM	#29
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why the Colts QB? Glad to know I left a lasting impression. And hey Saintfan, I\'ll say this. I do LOVE to hate you!! Naw, you\'re growing on me. Just so long as the word \"agenda\" stays out of your posts, I\'m happy. Looks like you and Billy are laying off the Who-Tang recently. Good, it\'s time for you two to sober up, wipe those beer goggles off your faces, and admit that I\'m right. LMAO. :P
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01-23-2004, 05:07 PM	#30
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why the Colts QB? Thanks Whodat. I hate you too... :P