The Truth about Greg Williams

halloween 65 · 11-01-2011, 08:40 AM

I want a really great defense hard hitting, head banging, sure tackling group of stud horses out there, if any of you see just 1 let me know. We don't see any of the good play that we are capable until we have a good lead,my question is why. I know we can play better than than we do, we have good players.

Danno · 11-01-2011, 08:47 AM

Its the front 4 and sub-par LB play, including Vilma.

Mardigras9 · 11-01-2011, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its the front 4 and sub-par LB play, including Vilma.

Exactly, front four get no pressure. DB's have been OK, LB's are hit or miss (Shanle is the weakest). These guys are professionals, tackling shouldn't need to be taught.

Euphoria · 11-01-2011, 10:24 AM

Not just the front four. Specifically its the DE's and the OLB.

Danno · 11-01-2011, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Not just the front four. Specifically its the DE's and the OLB.

MLB and our DT's aren't playing well either.

FinSaint · 11-01-2011, 10:39 AM

I've been disappointed with the performances of the two new FA DTs - Franklin and Rogers - because I thought that they would be able to create more push and draw double teams, which would free up the two 3-techs - Ellis and Johnson - to inflict some serious damage and/or allow the DEs to cause a lot of pressure on the QB.

That has not happened yet, but I'm hopeful that because the Saints have been able to have great rotation with the big guys through the first half of the season, they'll be more fresh at the end of the season than some of the O-line guys they are facing, and because of that it'll be a complete massacre of opposing QBs come playoff time.

...oh, and I almost choked with laughter while watching FOX's broadcast of the Sunday's game when they presented the starting defensive line-up of the Saints and Tim Ryan said: "love the linebackers."

strato · 11-01-2011, 10:43 AM

Where's Danny Clarke?...

papz · 11-01-2011, 10:44 AM

Rogers seems to be non-existent. If he's not going to start producing, he needs to be 4th in the rotational chart after Ellis, Franklin, and Johnson. On paper, our interior defensive line looks great. I was okay giving them a pass for struggling earlier in the season due to lack of camp and the building of chemistry, but they should be playing much better by now. They need to get on their game because we can't do jack if our DT's aren't getting push and necessitating double teams.

strato · 11-01-2011, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Rogers seems to be non-existent. If he's not going to start producing, he needs to be 4th in the rotational chart after Ellis, Franklin, and Johnson. On paper, our interior defensive line looks great. I was okay giving them a pass for struggling earlier in the season due to lack of camp and the building of chemistry, but they should be playing much better by now. They need to get on their game because we can't do jack if our DT's aren't getting push and necessitating double teams.

I agree..why with all that beef are teams able to gauge us right up the gut..i know some are cutbacks ..but you would think they would be disciplined enough to stay in their lanes. They always seem to flow to wrong side .

Im as equally as concerned with the O-Line...

CharityMike · 11-01-2011, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by strato

I agree..why with all that beef are teams able to gauge us right up the gut..i know some are cutbacks ..but you would think they would be disciplined enough to stay in their lanes. They always seem to flow to wrong side .

Im as equally as concerned with the O-Line...

If you watch closely, most of those lanes DO have a Saint body in it. The problem is, most of the time, we don't make the flippin tackle!! Roman Harper is the worst at this. Vilma has whiffed quite a few himself.

11-01-2011, 09:04 AM	#23
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Originally Posted by Danno Its the front 4 and sub-par LB play, including Vilma. Exactly, front four get no pressure. DB's have been OK, LB's are hit or miss (Shanle is the weakest). These guys are professionals, tackling shouldn't need to be taught.

11-01-2011, 10:39 AM	#25
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by Euphoria Not just the front four. Specifically its the DE's and the OLB. MLB and our DT's aren't playing well either.

11-01-2011, 10:39 AM	#26
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	I've been disappointed with the performances of the two new FA DTs - Franklin and Rogers - because I thought that they would be able to create more push and draw double teams, which would free up the two 3-techs - Ellis and Johnson - to inflict some serious damage and/or allow the DEs to cause a lot of pressure on the QB. That has not happened yet, but I'm hopeful that because the Saints have been able to have great rotation with the big guys through the first half of the season, they'll be more fresh at the end of the season than some of the O-line guys they are facing, and because of that it'll be a complete massacre of opposing QBs come playoff time. ...oh, and I almost choked with laughter while watching FOX's broadcast of the Sunday's game when they presented the starting defensive line-up of the Saints and Tim Ryan said: "love the linebackers."
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

11-01-2011, 10:52 AM	#29
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by papz Rogers seems to be non-existent. If he's not going to start producing, he needs to be 4th in the rotational chart after Ellis, Franklin, and Johnson. On paper, our interior defensive line looks great. I was okay giving them a pass for struggling earlier in the season due to lack of camp and the building of chemistry, but they should be playing much better by now. They need to get on their game because we can't do jack if our DT's aren't getting push and necessitating double teams. I agree..why with all that beef are teams able to gauge us right up the gut..i know some are cutbacks ..but you would think they would be disciplined enough to stay in their lanes. They always seem to flow to wrong side . Im as equally as concerned with the O-Line...

11-01-2011, 12:40 PM	#30
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by strato I agree..why with all that beef are teams able to gauge us right up the gut..i know some are cutbacks ..but you would think they would be disciplined enough to stay in their lanes. They always seem to flow to wrong side . Im as equally as concerned with the O-Line... If you watch closely, most of those lanes DO have a Saint body in it. The problem is, most of the time, we don't make the flippin tackle!! Roman Harper is the worst at this. Vilma has whiffed quite a few himself.

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11-01-2011, 08:47 AM	#22
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Its the front 4 and sub-par LB play, including Vilma.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Not just the front four. Specifically its the DE's and the OLB.

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strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Where's Danny Clarke?...

11-01-2011, 10:44 AM	#28
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Rogers seems to be non-existent. If he's not going to start producing, he needs to be 4th in the rotational chart after Ellis, Franklin, and Johnson. On paper, our interior defensive line looks great. I was okay giving them a pass for struggling earlier in the season due to lack of camp and the building of chemistry, but they should be playing much better by now. They need to get on their game because we can't do jack if our DT's aren't getting push and necessitating double teams.

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