Drew leads the league in INTs

saintfan · 11-03-2011, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

We have 2 glaring weaknesses:

1) Offensive line has some weakness, including depth at center as of a few weeks ago;

2) Our defense is weak on the run and does not put pressure on the QB.

If our mixed young/veteran line could put pressure on the QB, our DB's wouldn't look EXPOSED

If our o-line had depth and solid upgrades at tackle, Brees wouldn't be throwing INT, the hurries would grow less and sacks wouldn't be an issue.

Which brings me to the next question: Do we spend our last free agency dime on the biggest contract ever for Drew? Or do we weigh our options and beef up key positions and hope Drew takes the same pay on an extension?

Perplexing.....

Goes to my question from the lockout: Just how much is enough?

I'm the first to say that Drew deserves everything he gets, in many ways he is far more deserving of "The Highest Paid Player" moniker than just about anyone who's ever held that title, but he's a smart guy. He's already made (and will continue to make regardless of the value of his next contract) a LOT of money. Does he want to win or does he want to cash even bigger checks?

Time will tell, and I know which way I hope he goes, but honestly I won't hold it against him regardless. Without Drew Brees we don't have our lone championship, so in many ways he's worth a king's ransom, even for past performances...but I do hope he sees the bigger picture.

QBREES9 · 11-01-2011, 11:18 PM

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voodude · 11-02-2011, 01:38 PM

Brees did throw a wobbly duck against the Rams....but Jimmy Graham needs to be able to read and become a defender a little. You can't let someone post up on you and wait on an interception. Take the penalty if you have to. He doesn't help at all and definitely gave up on the pick 6.

Luda34 · 11-02-2011, 04:16 PM

Damn need make better decisions

SaintPauly · 11-02-2011, 10:52 PM

Let's look at what the Rams did to beat us, and there is your answer. Anyone remember how many passing yards they had? Not above 200. We got beat with Marty ball.....

strato · 11-03-2011, 02:04 AM

I agree...take away the pass..rush four? run the ball..we really blew our game plan....I mean the Lambs have the worst run D in the league..and we didn't take advantage of it..The Rams played with our heads..they knew we wouldn't run ..so dropped in a soft zone and gave Drew nada....

I think this is direct result of Payton not being involved in the game planning enough ..now G.W knew we would get a healthy dose of Jackson..and still blitzed the crap out of em...we were over pursuing most of the game....and the Rams just took what we gave em..We are starting to get predictable on O and D..

Beastmode · 11-03-2011, 07:49 AM

No secret there, Payton has an affinity to pass. I thought for sure getting Ingram and Sproles was a clear sign he was going to turn the corner. They are getting some yards but he's too eager to quit on it. If he wants to do that fine but get Brees better protection. If we can't get a run game established or Brees help it's going to be more of the same the rest of the way.

halloween 65 · 11-03-2011, 08:33 AM

I also feel we are getting predictable on offense and defense, teams change schemes and game plans all the time, we don't every game. Look at the greatest show on turf it worked for a while, then everyone caught on, We don't have bad coaches,players, or anything else, I hope it's not a percentage thing being played also, this aint Vegas it's football.

Budsdrinker · 11-03-2011, 09:24 AM

We need to learn how to run from different looks. When we run everybody can see the formation and know a run is coming. We need to be able to run from a 3 wide set or shotgun and maybe even throw a pass to a TE from a tight 2 back formation just to keep the defenses guessing. We basically telegraph our plays from our formation and personnel.

papz · 11-03-2011, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

We need to learn how to run from different looks. When we run everybody can see the formation and know a run is coming. We need to be able to run from a 3 wide set or shotgun and maybe even throw a pass to a TE from a tight 2 back formation just to keep the defenses guessing. We basically telegraph our plays from our formation and personnel.

I've been thinking the exact same thing for the past few games. Spread them out more and run the ball. As solid as Collins has been, you can still run the ball in single back 3 wide formations. It might create more running lanes and make us less predictable.

11-03-2011, 12:48 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Halo We have 2 glaring weaknesses: 1) Offensive line has some weakness, including depth at center as of a few weeks ago; 2) Our defense is weak on the run and does not put pressure on the QB. If our mixed young/veteran line could put pressure on the QB, our DB's wouldn't look EXPOSED If our o-line had depth and solid upgrades at tackle, Brees wouldn't be throwing INT, the hurries would grow less and sacks wouldn't be an issue. Which brings me to the next question: Do we spend our last free agency dime on the biggest contract ever for Drew? Or do we weigh our options and beef up key positions and hope Drew takes the same pay on an extension? Perplexing..... Goes to my question from the lockout: Just how much is enough? I'm the first to say that Drew deserves everything he gets, in many ways he is far more deserving of "The Highest Paid Player" moniker than just about anyone who's ever held that title, but he's a smart guy. He's already made (and will continue to make regardless of the value of his next contract) a LOT of money. Does he want to win or does he want to cash even bigger checks? Time will tell, and I know which way I hope he goes, but honestly I won't hold it against him regardless. Without Drew Brees we don't have our lone championship, so in many ways he's worth a king's ransom, even for past performances...but I do hope he sees the bigger picture.
	C'mon Man...

11-02-2011, 01:38 PM	#3
voodude Rookie Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1	Brees did throw a wobbly duck against the Rams....but Jimmy Graham needs to be able to read and become a defender a little. You can't let someone post up on you and wait on an interception. Take the penalty if you have to. He doesn't help at all and definitely gave up on the pick 6.
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11-03-2011, 02:04 AM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	I agree...take away the pass..rush four? run the ball..we really blew our game plan....I mean the Lambs have the worst run D in the league..and we didn't take advantage of it..The Rams played with our heads..they knew we wouldn't run ..so dropped in a soft zone and gave Drew nada.... I think this is direct result of Payton not being involved in the game planning enough ..now G.W knew we would get a healthy dose of Jackson..and still blitzed the crap out of em...we were over pursuing most of the game....and the Rams just took what we gave em..We are starting to get predictable on O and D.. SaintPauly and halloween 65 like this.

11-03-2011, 07:49 AM	#7
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	No secret there, Payton has an affinity to pass. I thought for sure getting Ingram and Sproles was a clear sign he was going to turn the corner. They are getting some yards but he's too eager to quit on it. If he wants to do that fine but get Brees better protection. If we can't get a run game established or Brees help it's going to be more of the same the rest of the way.
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11-03-2011, 09:24 AM	#9
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	We need to learn how to run from different looks. When we run everybody can see the formation and know a run is coming. We need to be able to run from a 3 wide set or shotgun and maybe even throw a pass to a TE from a tight 2 back formation just to keep the defenses guessing. We basically telegraph our plays from our formation and personnel. papz likes this.

11-01-2011, 11:18 PM	#2
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Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Damn need make better decisions

11-02-2011, 10:52 PM	#5
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Let's look at what the Rams did to beat us, and there is your answer. Anyone remember how many passing yards they had? Not above 200. We got beat with Marty ball.....

11-03-2011, 08:33 AM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	I also feel we are getting predictable on offense and defense, teams change schemes and game plans all the time, we don't every game. Look at the greatest show on turf it worked for a while, then everyone caught on, We don't have bad coaches,players, or anything else, I hope it's not a percentage thing being played also, this aint Vegas it's football.

11-03-2011, 12:52 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker We need to learn how to run from different looks. When we run everybody can see the formation and know a run is coming. We need to be able to run from a 3 wide set or shotgun and maybe even throw a pass to a TE from a tight 2 back formation just to keep the defenses guessing. We basically telegraph our plays from our formation and personnel. I've been thinking the exact same thing for the past few games. Spread them out more and run the ball. As solid as Collins has been, you can still run the ball in single back 3 wide formations. It might create more running lanes and make us less predictable.

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