Defensive shakeup

strato · 11-01-2011, 01:48 PM

Ok hear me out maybe im crazy...but there has to be a way to improve this D line..ok...what if went to a primary 3-4?...i know Vilma loves the 4-3..but were going to say shut up and play where we put you..

Ok...here is how i might would run the front 7.. ok now im not a genius at D ..just looking at our personnel and how we might get more pressure and contain the perimeters better...

D-line..

Jordan at DE
Rogers at DT with Ellis..Johnson and Franklin rotating
Smith at DE

of course we have Charleston.... McBride and Galette to rotate at DE

LBs

Wilson at OLB

Vilma at MLB

Dunbar at MLB

Casillas...atOLB

with Shanle and Humber..Bussey as backups..also maybe Galette in the OLB spot..on run plays

Harper would be able to roam and help in run support and also get help with coverage.. still send him on blitzes..

Any thoughts?...i know its crazy..and really if our front 4 would just step up and help keep the LBs clean that would be a huge plus..None of this really matters if we don't tackle better..

Aww the days of the Dome Patrol..

Mardigras9 · 11-01-2011, 01:54 PM

As ineffective as the front four have been, I like it. Maybe it helps contain the big runs we have been subject to.

Danno · 11-01-2011, 01:56 PM

We can't field 3 good LB's so I'm pretty sure 4 ain't no better.

Mardigras9 · 11-01-2011, 02:00 PM

Casillas has been showing promise.

darstep · 11-01-2011, 02:05 PM

I have mixed emotions.
On the one hand, masking, stunting, and coverage could be improved.
The 4 linebackers could do some hands down duty, especially if Junior is in there.
Our abilities on the outside edges would be two steps improved (2 steps is a lot).
We need to do something different to shake things up a bit.
On the other hand, the one thing I don't like about the 3-4 is, it gives O-lines direct engagement on the LB's.
It simply increases the territory the nose tackle and DE's have to hold down.
We have not been cloggin up the middle with 2 guys in there, I'm almost scared of pulling 1 guy to the 2nd level.
Harper may end up with 15 tackles and a bruised collar bone.
A good mix of the 3-4 4-3 could give us some advantage in confusing blocking schemes.
If it helps us make plays, force some punts, gets some turnovers, I'm all for it.

papz · 11-01-2011, 02:12 PM

4-3

DL -Jordan, Franklin, Ellis, Smith
LB -Casilla, Dunbar, lesser of all the evils

How that's for a shakeup? Bench Vilma and Rogers... see if that gets their blood boiling and swag back.

strato · 11-01-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by papz

4-3

DL -Jordan, Franklin, Ellis, Smith
LB -Casilla, Dunbar, lesser of all the evils

How that's for a shakeup? Bench Vilma and Rogers... see if that gets their blood boiling and swag back.

Ok swap Franklin for Rogers...but keep Vilma in there ..just get him some help...i think he might be gimpy and its starting to show..

strato · 11-01-2011, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

I have mixed emotions.
On the one hand, masking, stunting, and coverage could be improved.
The 4 linebackers could do some hands down duty, especially if Junior is in there.
Our abilities on the outside edges would be two steps improved (2 steps is a lot).
We need to do something different to shake things up a bit.
On the other hand, the one thing I don't like about the 3-4 is, it gives O-lines direct engagement on the LB's.
It simply increases the territory the nose tackle and DE's have to hold down.
We have not been cloggin up the middle with 2 guys in there, I'm almost scared of pulling 1 guy to the 2nd level.
Harper may end up with 15 tackles and a bruised collar bone.
A good mix of the 3-4 4-3 could give us some advantage in confusing blocking schemes.
If it helps us make plays, force some punts, gets some turnovers, I'm all for it.

You make some good points and thats why i started this thread..if you notice our LBs are always tackling down the field ..maybe this way they would be able to stop those runs to the outside and cutbacks before they gain 9 yards..or more..but it all starts with sound tackling...or at least stand the guy up and wait for help..

Euphoria · 11-01-2011, 02:25 PM

We really don't run a 4-3 really...

Ok the one thing I like in your plan is Gallete at OLB. I think that has some promise to it. He seems to have speed and can play. Mix him up blitzing. Technically it would be like 2 DE's blitzing on one side.

strato · 11-01-2011, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

We really don't run a 4-3 really...

Ok the one thing I like in your plan is Gallete at OLB. I think that has some promise to it. He seems to have speed and can play. Mix him up blitzing. Technically it would be like 2 DE's blitzing on one side.

We run a base 4-3...and yes Galette might help ala D Ware does in Dallas...and he might be better against the run with his size and speed in the OLB spot..

11-01-2011, 01:48 PM	#1
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Defensive shakeup Ok hear me out maybe im crazy...but there has to be a way to improve this D line..ok...what if went to a primary 3-4?...i know Vilma loves the 4-3..but were going to say shut up and play where we put you.. Ok...here is how i might would run the front 7.. ok now im not a genius at D ..just looking at our personnel and how we might get more pressure and contain the perimeters better... D-line.. Jordan at DE Rogers at DT with Ellis..Johnson and Franklin rotating Smith at DE of course we have Charleston.... McBride and Galette to rotate at DE LBs Wilson at OLB Vilma at MLB Dunbar at MLB Casillas...atOLB with Shanle and Humber..Bussey as backups..also maybe Galette in the OLB spot..on run plays Harper would be able to roam and help in run support and also get help with coverage.. still send him on blitzes.. Any thoughts?...i know its crazy..and really if our front 4 would just step up and help keep the LBs clean that would be a huge plus..None of this really matters if we don't tackle better.. Aww the days of the Dome Patrol..
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11-01-2011, 01:56 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	We can't field 3 good LB's so I'm pretty sure 4 ain't no better. biloxi-indian and foreverfan like this.

11-01-2011, 02:05 PM	#5
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	I have mixed emotions. On the one hand, masking, stunting, and coverage could be improved. The 4 linebackers could do some hands down duty, especially if Junior is in there. Our abilities on the outside edges would be two steps improved (2 steps is a lot). We need to do something different to shake things up a bit. On the other hand, the one thing I don't like about the 3-4 is, it gives O-lines direct engagement on the LB's. It simply increases the territory the nose tackle and DE's have to hold down. We have not been cloggin up the middle with 2 guys in there, I'm almost scared of pulling 1 guy to the 2nd level. Harper may end up with 15 tackles and a bruised collar bone. A good mix of the 3-4 4-3 could give us some advantage in confusing blocking schemes. If it helps us make plays, force some punts, gets some turnovers, I'm all for it. Kryptonite likes this.
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11-01-2011, 02:20 PM	#7
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by papz 4-3 DL -Jordan, Franklin, Ellis, Smith LB -Casilla, Dunbar, lesser of all the evils How that's for a shakeup? Bench Vilma and Rogers... see if that gets their blood boiling and swag back. Ok swap Franklin for Rogers...but keep Vilma in there ..just get him some help...i think he might be gimpy and its starting to show..

11-01-2011, 02:23 PM	#8
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by darstep I have mixed emotions. On the one hand, masking, stunting, and coverage could be improved. The 4 linebackers could do some hands down duty, especially if Junior is in there. Our abilities on the outside edges would be two steps improved (2 steps is a lot). We need to do something different to shake things up a bit. On the other hand, the one thing I don't like about the 3-4 is, it gives O-lines direct engagement on the LB's. It simply increases the territory the nose tackle and DE's have to hold down. We have not been cloggin up the middle with 2 guys in there, I'm almost scared of pulling 1 guy to the 2nd level. Harper may end up with 15 tackles and a bruised collar bone. A good mix of the 3-4 4-3 could give us some advantage in confusing blocking schemes. If it helps us make plays, force some punts, gets some turnovers, I'm all for it. You make some good points and thats why i started this thread..if you notice our LBs are always tackling down the field ..maybe this way they would be able to stop those runs to the outside and cutbacks before they gain 9 yards..or more..but it all starts with sound tackling...or at least stand the guy up and wait for help..

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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	As ineffective as the front four have been, I like it. Maybe it helps contain the big runs we have been subject to.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	4-3 DL -Jordan, Franklin, Ellis, Smith LB -Casilla, Dunbar, lesser of all the evils How that's for a shakeup? Bench Vilma and Rogers... see if that gets their blood boiling and swag back.

11-01-2011, 02:25 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	We really don't run a 4-3 really... Ok the one thing I like in your plan is Gallete at OLB. I think that has some promise to it. He seems to have speed and can play. Mix him up blitzing. Technically it would be like 2 DE's blitzing on one side.

11-01-2011, 02:29 PM	#10
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by Euphoria We really don't run a 4-3 really... Ok the one thing I like in your plan is Gallete at OLB. I think that has some promise to it. He seems to have speed and can play. Mix him up blitzing. Technically it would be like 2 DE's blitzing on one side. We run a base 4-3...and yes Galette might help ala D Ware does in Dallas...and he might be better against the run with his size and speed in the OLB spot..

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