Draft pick(s) for Reggie?

Danno · 11-15-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Somehow, I've thought to myself that the Saints would get - in the best possible scenario - a 5th round pick if Bush meets the performance requirements.

I'd be happy with a 5th, because lets face it, the Saints had to get rid off Bush's contract and they already got Amaya from MIA, who has been a good addition to the ST coverage.

A 7th would have been more than necessary. Reggie could have simply forced the Saints to release him and Miami wouldn't have lost a pick.

We stole that pick, whatever it turns out to be.

FinSaint · 11-15-2011, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

A 7th would have been more than necessary. Reggie could have simply forced the Saints to release him and Miami wouldn't have lost a pick.

We stole that pick, whatever it turns out to be.

True, but in that case other teams could've made offers to Bush, which could've ended up (artificially) increasing his market worth, which in turn could've caused him to sign elsewhere or Miami having to offer him more contract-wise than the calculated worth of a given draft pick is to that franchise.

So, all in all, I think it was a good deal for MIA as well as for the Saints. And I think that if there's someone who lost in that deal it would be Bush himself, but that is hard to estimate because he never entered the FA market and so we can never know what his market value would've been.

If you look at it from that standpoint - the Saints franchise owe gratitude toward Bush for handling the situation as he did, nevermind what he has said since in the media.

Danno · 11-16-2011, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

True, but in that case other teams could've made offers to Bush, which could've ended up (artificially) increasing his market worth, which in turn could've caused him to sign elsewhere or Miami having to offer him more contract-wise than the calculated worth of a given draft pick is to that franchise.

So, all in all, I think it was a good deal for MIA as well as for the Saints. And I think that if there's someone who lost in that deal it would be Bush himself, but that is hard to estimate because he never entered the FA market and so we can never know what his market value would've been.

If you look at it from that standpoint - the Saints franchise owe gratitude toward Bush for handling the situation as he did, nevermind what he has said since in the media.

Thats my point. Bush had all the leverage to get the most money he could, and he still could have chosen the Dolphins if he wanted to.
Again, we stole that pick, with a Bush assist. We were lucky to get anything at all for him.

FinSaint · 11-16-2011, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Thats my point. Bush had all the leverage to get the most money he could, and he still could have chosen the Dolphins if he wanted to.
Again, we stole that pick, with a Bush assist. We were lucky to get anything at all for him.

Yes, you are correct, but that doesn't change the fact that MIA couldn't know that for sure, and we can't know for sure if MIA was really where Bush wanted to go above any other potential suitors.

They wanted Bush, probably more for his star power than actual ability, and giving up a ST player and a possible draft pick in order to secure the rights to negotiate with Bush without any outside interference was in all likelihood a good decision on their part, which may have actually saved them money or other commodities.

Therefore, I wouldn't say that the Saints "stole" the pick - if there will be any in the end - because it was payment for a service rendered as I described above.

11-15-2011, 10:14 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Originally Posted by FinSaint Somehow, I've thought to myself that the Saints would get - in the best possible scenario - a 5th round pick if Bush meets the performance requirements. I'd be happy with a 5th, because lets face it, the Saints had to get rid off Bush's contract and they already got Amaya from MIA, who has been a good addition to the ST coverage. A 7th would have been more than necessary. Reggie could have simply forced the Saints to release him and Miami wouldn't have lost a pick. We stole that pick, whatever it turns out to be.

11-15-2011, 10:52 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by Danno A 7th would have been more than necessary. Reggie could have simply forced the Saints to release him and Miami wouldn't have lost a pick. We stole that pick, whatever it turns out to be. True, but in that case other teams could've made offers to Bush, which could've ended up (artificially) increasing his market worth, which in turn could've caused him to sign elsewhere or Miami having to offer him more contract-wise than the calculated worth of a given draft pick is to that franchise. So, all in all, I think it was a good deal for MIA as well as for the Saints. And I think that if there's someone who lost in that deal it would be Bush himself, but that is hard to estimate because he never entered the FA market and so we can never know what his market value would've been. If you look at it from that standpoint - the Saints franchise owe gratitude toward Bush for handling the situation as he did, nevermind what he has said since in the media. strato likes this.
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11-16-2011, 07:55 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Originally Posted by FinSaint True, but in that case other teams could've made offers to Bush, which could've ended up (artificially) increasing his market worth, which in turn could've caused him to sign elsewhere or Miami having to offer him more contract-wise than the calculated worth of a given draft pick is to that franchise. So, all in all, I think it was a good deal for MIA as well as for the Saints. And I think that if there's someone who lost in that deal it would be Bush himself, but that is hard to estimate because he never entered the FA market and so we can never know what his market value would've been. If you look at it from that standpoint - the Saints franchise owe gratitude toward Bush for handling the situation as he did, nevermind what he has said since in the media. Thats my point. Bush had all the leverage to get the most money he could, and he still could have chosen the Dolphins if he wanted to. Again, we stole that pick, with a Bush assist. We were lucky to get anything at all for him.

11-16-2011, 09:33 AM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by Danno Thats my point. Bush had all the leverage to get the most money he could, and he still could have chosen the Dolphins if he wanted to. Again, we stole that pick, with a Bush assist. We were lucky to get anything at all for him. Yes, you are correct, but that doesn't change the fact that MIA couldn't know that for sure, and we can't know for sure if MIA was really where Bush wanted to go above any other potential suitors. They wanted Bush, probably more for his star power than actual ability, and giving up a ST player and a possible draft pick in order to secure the rights to negotiate with Bush without any outside interference was in all likelihood a good decision on their part, which may have actually saved them money or other commodities. Therefore, I wouldn't say that the Saints "stole" the pick - if there will be any in the end - because it was payment for a service rendered as I described above.
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