Harper Becoming a Thug?

Mardigras9 · 12-12-2011, 11:20 AM

No way, keep it up Harper.

Euphoria · 12-12-2011, 11:29 AM

I disagree with him being called a Thug.

Sometimes a facemask can't be helped... just because you get a facemask penalty doesn't mean you're a Thug. Stumping on someone... that makes you a thug.

Another thing A Saftey is taught is ALWAYS stop a TD. Yes even if it results in a penalty. Even take a interference call if it means not giving up a TD.

mikesaintfan · 12-12-2011, 12:01 PM

id rather have him agressive than SOFT...the way the NFL hands out fines and penalties makes NO SENSE...so you might as well go all out if your gonna get a flag anyway...by the way it was UNINTENTIONAL....if you want some soft gentile football, go watch the chargers...lol

alleycat_126 · 12-12-2011, 12:15 PM

No way that was intentional he was trying to make a play, that's all. Too aggresive, at times yes, but that is what he is paid to. Any team would be happy to have a safety of Roman Harper's character!!

papz · 12-12-2011, 12:23 PM

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hagan714 · 12-12-2011, 12:25 PM

stupid at times but a thug? nag. frustration is probably getting to him. they can not stop anyone and give up way to many big plays

darstep · 12-12-2011, 12:50 PM

Thug? C'mon man!

Rugby Saint II · 12-12-2011, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by OldMaid

Facemask pull I saw by Harper was with Harper and a Titan walking all alone. Wrong. Dirty.
I do not like unsportsmanlike conduct.
When you do a thing like this, it penalizes your team.
This was intentional.

Sometimes a facemask when tackling or a late hit is unintentional. These guys are runnning how fast and cannot stop on a dime.

I love, am all for agressive playing. Hard tackling. That is not dirty, but the NFL. It is not tennis or golf or baseball.

Someone mentioned The Burbon Street Bruisers, The Dome Patrol, smart, agressive, hard tackling, legal players.

I must have missed that incident. I'll be looking for it today when I rewatch the game.
The face mask that I saw was just bad luck after great hustle. Most folks on here seem to agree that he's a good representative, a hard player, team leader and is far from a thug.

foreverfan · 12-12-2011, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I've posted my dislike for Harper as a Defensive Back on this site; have had my disagreements with some about his game...

But the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties he's drawn or becoming more regular than defensive stops for this squad...

Frankly, I like a "tough" defense - but the kind that Rickey Jackson and Vaughan Johnson led, not this thuggish brand that Harper has shown as of late...

Maybe if/when Greg Williams leaves after this season, he can take "Toast" with him...

What??? Without his facemask tackle/call yesterday we would have lost.
Football isn't a game for puzzies and I should know.

Roman Harper's cat.

mike27 · 12-12-2011, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by breesfan27

I don't think he's a thug. Was the facemask wrong? Yes. Was it justified? Hell yes! The way things were going for them, they would have gotten flagged anyway, might as well make it worth while. Just my opinion though.

I actually think that last hit was incidental--he was just running so desperately, got there just before the runner, and that was all that he could get ahold of--and for the most part I think he plays a clean game.

People complain a lot about Williams running blitzs, but I think a big part of it is wanting to ring the bell of the quarterback once or twice. There is nothing like putting that thought of being hit into the quarterback's head to get him to throw passes more quickly, and make mistakes. It's one of the intangibles one gets from Blitzing, in addition to the occasional sacks, and often leads to fumbles and interceptions, to state the obvious.

Remember how all the pundits whined all year long about the D being so bad--but they got the job done when it counted, and after all the job isn't to keep the other team to 0, but to keep them from scoring more than your team. I mean, it'd be nice, but in the NFL, it is pretty impractical to think you can get zeroes.

12-12-2011, 11:29 AM	#32
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I disagree with him being called a Thug. Sometimes a facemask can't be helped... just because you get a facemask penalty doesn't mean you're a Thug. Stumping on someone... that makes you a thug. Another thing A Saftey is taught is ALWAYS stop a TD. Yes even if it results in a penalty. Even take a interference call if it means not giving up a TD. mikesaintfan likes this.

12-12-2011, 12:23 PM	#35
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	If our resident Falcons fan likes your post, then there's obviously something wrong with it. foreverfan, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

12-12-2011, 01:17 PM	#38
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Originally Posted by OldMaid Facemask pull I saw by Harper was with Harper and a Titan walking all alone. Wrong. Dirty. I do not like unsportsmanlike conduct. When you do a thing like this, it penalizes your team. This was intentional. Sometimes a facemask when tackling or a late hit is unintentional. These guys are runnning how fast and cannot stop on a dime. I love, am all for agressive playing. Hard tackling. That is not dirty, but the NFL. It is not tennis or golf or baseball. Someone mentioned The Burbon Street Bruisers, The Dome Patrol, smart, agressive, hard tackling, legal players. I must have missed that incident. I'll be looking for it today when I rewatch the game. The face mask that I saw was just bad luck after great hustle. Most folks on here seem to agree that he's a good representative, a hard player, team leader and is far from a thug.

12-12-2011, 01:26 PM	#39
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by jeanpierre I've posted my dislike for Harper as a Defensive Back on this site; have had my disagreements with some about his game... But the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties he's drawn or becoming more regular than defensive stops for this squad... Frankly, I like a "tough" defense - but the kind that Rickey Jackson and Vaughan Johnson led, not this thuggish brand that Harper has shown as of late... Maybe if/when Greg Williams leaves after this season, he can take "Toast" with him... What??? Without his facemask tackle/call yesterday we would have lost. Football isn't a game for puzzies and I should know. Roman Harper's cat.
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12-12-2011, 01:29 PM	#40
mike27 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 104 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by breesfan27 I don't think he's a thug. Was the facemask wrong? Yes. Was it justified? Hell yes! The way things were going for them, they would have gotten flagged anyway, might as well make it worth while. Just my opinion though. I actually think that last hit was incidental--he was just running so desperately, got there just before the runner, and that was all that he could get ahold of--and for the most part I think he plays a clean game. People complain a lot about Williams running blitzs, but I think a big part of it is wanting to ring the bell of the quarterback once or twice. There is nothing like putting that thought of being hit into the quarterback's head to get him to throw passes more quickly, and make mistakes. It's one of the intangibles one gets from Blitzing, in addition to the occasional sacks, and often leads to fumbles and interceptions, to state the obvious. Remember how all the pundits whined all year long about the D being so bad--but they got the job done when it counted, and after all the job isn't to keep the other team to 0, but to keep them from scoring more than your team. I mean, it'd be nice, but in the NFL, it is pretty impractical to think you can get zeroes.

12-12-2011, 11:20 AM	#31
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	No way, keep it up Harper.

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12-12-2011, 12:01 PM	#33
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	id rather have him agressive than SOFT...the way the NFL hands out fines and penalties makes NO SENSE...so you might as well go all out if your gonna get a flag anyway...by the way it was UNINTENTIONAL....if you want some soft gentile football, go watch the chargers...lol

12-12-2011, 12:15 PM	#34
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	No way that was intentional he was trying to make a play, that's all. Too aggresive, at times yes, but that is what he is paid to. Any team would be happy to have a safety of Roman Harper's character!!

12-12-2011, 12:25 PM	#36
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	stupid at times but a thug? nag. frustration is probably getting to him. they can not stop anyone and give up way to many big plays

12-12-2011, 12:50 PM	#37
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Thug? C'mon man!

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