List the player or players you want gone

GoShanle#58 · 01-16-2012, 11:08 AM

@CharityMike @Danno, do you know what a zone defense is? He was totally playing zone and when Davis got past him, he was suppose to be picked up by Roman Harper, Harper was playing out of position. Still the biggest error was on GW, why play zone in the redzone on the most crucial part of the game when Vernon Davis has been killing you all day?

Danno · 01-16-2012, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by GoShanle#58

@CharityMike @Danno, do you know what a zone defense is? He was totally playing zone and when Davis got past him, he was suppose to be picked up by Roman Harper, Harper was playing out of position. Still the biggest error was on GW, why play zone in the redzone on the most crucial part of the game when Vernon Davis has been killing you all day?

Zone? Naw, never heard of it.

CharityMike · 01-16-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Zone? Naw, never heard of it.

LMAO..yeah me too.

Stupid us for thinking he is standing at the 10 yard line and just stands there flat footed watching the play happen. Guess we are just to dumb to think that Vernon Davis was there entire passing game all day and that maybe chances are they are going to try to get him the ball.

Also..look at Vilma after the catch. Look at the video again. Who is he staring at in disbelief?

halloween 65 · 01-16-2012, 03:12 PM

I WANT 2 DT"s TO PUSH THE MIDDLE, CRASHING THE POCKET, ALLOWING THE DE's TO TURN THE CORNER AND SACK THE QB. OR BLITZ A LINEBACKER . MAN, I WANT MISTER COBBLES AND 1 MORE BAD A$$ DT, YES CAP LOCK IS ON.

papz · 01-17-2012, 01:29 PM

I'd have no issues giving Meachem a contract similar to what Devery and Lance are making... especially if we let Colston walk.

FinSaint · 01-17-2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'd have no issues giving Meachem a contract similar to what Devery and Lance are making... especially if we let Colston walk.

That would then mean something between 3.5M and 4.5M, which would probably make signing Colston improbable, and I wonder if Meachem - as a former 1st rounder - has some illusions of grandeur and, therefore, will want more money.

Originally Posted by Danno

Good stuff, but I disagree with the trading parts. I can't see many of the players you suggested trading bringing us any picks at all.

Shanle wouldn't net us a 7th

Ellis makes way too much for anyone to give us picks AND take on that salary.

Henderson might net us a late round pick, but why not keep him? He's not exactly breaking the bank. Renegotiate a long term deal with Devery and Meachem both. We could reduce the cap hit and stay stocked at WR.

You're right, but one can always dream.

In any case, many of those players need their contracts to be restructured to be lower or more performance based in nature with various bonuses. If that isn't possible the Saints might look toward other teams, who might want to trade for them in player for player basis for similar type of contracts, but for players that would better match what the new DC wants to do with the Saints' defense.

mikesaintfan · 01-17-2012, 01:48 PM

reading these posts i had a thought

Colston is in year 6...he has had a couple injuries and has take ALOT of big hits...him saying he will not take a "hometown discount" makes me think he may be thinking of 1 BIG payday and then a retirement on his own terms while he can still function physically(ala baryy sanders)...He has a SB ring already and is a very smart man...what do you think?

jcp026 · 01-17-2012, 01:57 PM

BUSHROD MAKES MORE MONEY THAN EVANS BECAUSE BUSHROD IS A PRO BOWL LEFT TACKLE AND EVANS, though the best guard in the league, IS STILL JUST A GUARD! Left tackles make more. Who are we going to replace our reasonably price pro bowl tackle with? A 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round shot in the dark? We're trying to win now. When the Brees window closes...this success thing is over.

FinSaint · 01-17-2012, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

BUSHROD MAKES MORE MONEY THAN EVANS BECAUSE BUSHROD IS A PRO BOWL LEFT TACKLE AND EVANS, though the best guard in the league, IS STILL JUST A GUARD! Left tackles make more. Who are we going to replace our reasonably price pro bowl tackle with? A 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round shot in the dark? We're trying to win now. When the Brees window closes...this success thing is over.

I get your point, but I'm not sure you get my point... Of course left tackles are paid more than guards, but in relative terms Evans is the highest paid guard in the league (last time I checked) just about making the list of Top 100 highest paid players in the NFL.

Now do you honestly think that Bushrod deserves to be paid almost a third more than Evans for his services regardless of the position he plays and, furthermore, saying that the Saints are paying him very little in terms of left tackle money?

Which one is more important to the Saints' O-Line in your opinion... both protection and blocking-wise?

jcp026 · 01-17-2012, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I get your point, but I'm not sure you get my point... Of course left tackles are paid more than guards, but in relative terms Evans is the highest paid guard in the league (last time I checked) just about making the list of Top 100 highest paid players in the NFL.

Now do you honestly think that Bushrod deserves to be paid almost a third more than Evans for his services regardless of the position he plays and, furthermore, saying that the Saints are paying him very little in terms of left tackle money?

Which one is more important to the Saints' O-Line in your opinion... both protection and blocking-wise?

Evans is a better player and more important than Bushrod and should be paid more, but the best players in the league aren't necessarily the highest paid and it's because of the position they play. And I'll continue to say that Bushrod is good value at his current price, only because of the position he plays.

I'm also not sure why we're spending so much time talking about Bushrod. A lot of people were trashing him and want him gone. That's just an awful idea.

01-16-2012, 11:08 AM	#1
GoShanle#58 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8	@CharityMike @Danno, do you know what a zone defense is? He was totally playing zone and when Davis got past him, he was suppose to be picked up by Roman Harper, Harper was playing out of position. Still the biggest error was on GW, why play zone in the redzone on the most crucial part of the game when Vernon Davis has been killing you all day?
GoShanle#58 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8

01-16-2012, 11:12 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by GoShanle#58 @CharityMike @Danno, do you know what a zone defense is? He was totally playing zone and when Davis got past him, he was suppose to be picked up by Roman Harper, Harper was playing out of position. Still the biggest error was on GW, why play zone in the redzone on the most crucial part of the game when Vernon Davis has been killing you all day? Zone? Naw, never heard of it. FinSaint likes this.

01-16-2012, 12:02 PM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by Danno Zone? Naw, never heard of it. LMAO..yeah me too. Stupid us for thinking he is standing at the 10 yard line and just stands there flat footed watching the play happen. Guess we are just to dumb to think that Vernon Davis was there entire passing game all day and that maybe chances are they are going to try to get him the ball. Also..look at Vilma after the catch. Look at the video again. Who is he staring at in disbelief? st thomas likes this.

01-16-2012, 03:12 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	I WANT 2 DT"s TO PUSH THE MIDDLE, CRASHING THE POCKET, ALLOWING THE DE's TO TURN THE CORNER AND SACK THE QB. OR BLITZ A LINEBACKER . MAN, I WANT MISTER COBBLES AND 1 MORE BAD A$$ DT, YES CAP LOCK IS ON. Rugby Saint II and CharityMike like this.

01-17-2012, 01:42 PM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by papz I'd have no issues giving Meachem a contract similar to what Devery and Lance are making... especially if we let Colston walk. That would then mean something between 3.5M and 4.5M, which would probably make signing Colston improbable, and I wonder if Meachem - as a former 1st rounder - has some illusions of grandeur and, therefore, will want more money. Originally Posted by Danno Good stuff, but I disagree with the trading parts. I can't see many of the players you suggested trading bringing us any picks at all. Shanle wouldn't net us a 7th Ellis makes way too much for anyone to give us picks AND take on that salary. Henderson might net us a late round pick, but why not keep him? He's not exactly breaking the bank. Renegotiate a long term deal with Devery and Meachem both. We could reduce the cap hit and stay stocked at WR. You're right, but one can always dream. In any case, many of those players need their contracts to be restructured to be lower or more performance based in nature with various bonuses. If that isn't possible the Saints might look toward other teams, who might want to trade for them in player for player basis for similar type of contracts, but for players that would better match what the new DC wants to do with the Saints' defense.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

01-17-2012, 01:29 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	I'd have no issues giving Meachem a contract similar to what Devery and Lance are making... especially if we let Colston walk.

01-17-2012, 01:48 PM	#7
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	reading these posts i had a thought Colston is in year 6...he has had a couple injuries and has take ALOT of big hits...him saying he will not take a "hometown discount" makes me think he may be thinking of 1 BIG payday and then a retirement on his own terms while he can still function physically(ala baryy sanders)...He has a SB ring already and is a very smart man...what do you think?

01-17-2012, 01:57 PM	#8
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955	BUSHROD MAKES MORE MONEY THAN EVANS BECAUSE BUSHROD IS A PRO BOWL LEFT TACKLE AND EVANS, though the best guard in the league, IS STILL JUST A GUARD! Left tackles make more. Who are we going to replace our reasonably price pro bowl tackle with? A 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round shot in the dark? We're trying to win now. When the Brees window closes...this success thing is over.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955

01-17-2012, 02:20 PM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by jcp026 BUSHROD MAKES MORE MONEY THAN EVANS BECAUSE BUSHROD IS A PRO BOWL LEFT TACKLE AND EVANS, though the best guard in the league, IS STILL JUST A GUARD! Left tackles make more. Who are we going to replace our reasonably price pro bowl tackle with? A 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round shot in the dark? We're trying to win now. When the Brees window closes...this success thing is over. I get your point, but I'm not sure you get my point... Of course left tackles are paid more than guards, but in relative terms Evans is the highest paid guard in the league (last time I checked) just about making the list of Top 100 highest paid players in the NFL. Now do you honestly think that Bushrod deserves to be paid almost a third more than Evans for his services regardless of the position he plays and, furthermore, saying that the Saints are paying him very little in terms of left tackle money? Which one is more important to the Saints' O-Line in your opinion... both protection and blocking-wise?
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

01-17-2012, 02:33 PM	#10
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955	Originally Posted by FinSaint I get your point, but I'm not sure you get my point... Of course left tackles are paid more than guards, but in relative terms Evans is the highest paid guard in the league (last time I checked) just about making the list of Top 100 highest paid players in the NFL. Now do you honestly think that Bushrod deserves to be paid almost a third more than Evans for his services regardless of the position he plays and, furthermore, saying that the Saints are paying him very little in terms of left tackle money? Which one is more important to the Saints' O-Line in your opinion... both protection and blocking-wise? Evans is a better player and more important than Bushrod and should be paid more, but the best players in the league aren't necessarily the highest paid and it's because of the position they play. And I'll continue to say that Bushrod is good value at his current price, only because of the position he plays. I'm also not sure why we're spending so much time talking about Bushrod. A lot of people were trashing him and want him gone. That's just an awful idea.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955

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