List the player or players you want gone
 

I wouldnt mind seeing Rogers gone..dude is past his prime and didnt do crap all year

also

Jenkins, no more of him. Im done with him

GW..the scheme is a joke.

oh and Shanle, just because hes Shanle...

#1-Will Smith (Not because he's the worst.....but the most overpaid. Dude has not earned his money)

#2-Patrick Robinson (Haven't seen anything out of him to warrant a 1st rd. pick yet)

#3-Scott Shanle (Dude just isn't starter material)

#4-Sedrick Ellis (Another guy getting 1st round money that hasn't done squat!)

You free up the money from Smith, Robinson, & Ellis alone (all 1st rounders)......and you've got cash to work with to bring in some talent.

I havent posted here in over 2 years, but I still occasional come back here and check up on the Saints news (and coverage maps, thanks for whoever posts that!)

How can you guys not want Roman Harper gone, or at least changed to OLB? He is such a liability in coverage, and over 3/4ths the time was on their main (and when Crabtree was out) their only weapon?? He doesn't know how to form tackle, like going shoulder first into Jenkins on Vernons first TD, and he doesn't know how to cover guys. This was the same mistakes he did against the Packers, which lead to big plays as well. How is he staying?!

Uhmmmm......Jenkins is the one who knocked Harper off the tackle & Harper makes plays. Jenkins doesn't. Not to mention....Harper is probably the best tackler on the entire defense. He wraps up!

Your right, it was the other way around. I was thinking of Gores long run of the day when Harper just tried to shoulder drive Gore and missed.

All Harper can do is blitz, thats where the big plays come from. He is a liability in coverage, and I dont think I can honestly say Ive seen him form tackle that much at all from all the years he is here. I can think of 4 plays that were big plays because Harpers guy beats him, 2 for sure Vernon Davis plays (one being the one earlier. I doubt Roman would have caught up with Vernon anyways). We really need to move him to OLB so we can utilize him to blitz.

I agree. Plus, this is the age of the 6' 5" receiver. Harper looks like a kid trying to cover Calvin Johnson. Pretty soon, every team's gonna need at least 2 guys in the secondary over 6'3" with good hands. We're the kings of it, but that jumpball to the back of the endzone is becoming standard. And if the WR is taller (and doesn't completely suck), it's pretty much unstoppable.

The DC aka GW goes first.
We can defend. We did it for a fair chunk of the game. But GW loses it completely.

Don't get me started on the players.

1. Jenkins
2. Vilma
3. Shanle
4. Rogers + franklin
5. Greg williams

Sedrick Ellis
Will smith unless he lowers his pay
Scott Shanle
Shaun rogers and franklin - that was a massive offseason acquisition that looked awesome on paper and flat on the football field
I can't believe I'm even thinking tracy porter Aswell, pat Robinson has outplayed porter, he hasnt done anything since 2009, he has like two picks since 2009.
Pat Robinson got better as the season went along, you don't get rid of him

And last but not least - Greg Williams, sick and tired of the dumb play calling and the stupidity that he thinks the same gameplan over and and over will give results, It doesn't work that way

GW's head - blitz 6, blitz 7, blitz roman Harper, 8 in coverage, and it recurrs like that Over and over, way too predictable

This is the same thing all over. Draft on the d, dump GW. Then clean house on the d. I don't know let the new dc say who can stay.

Yep, don't dump anyone until we hire a new DC, or replace some assistants.

I'm surprised some posters I have huge respect for have mentioned Patrick Robinson. I know he's had a few bad games but he's had some outstanding ones as well. He's a young talented CB. We'd be foolish to let him walk, and being the last pick of the 1st round, he's not exactly a high-dollar player.

Shanle would make a great back-up, and will likely be a coach one day.
I think he's a weak link, but until we acquire someone better we should keep him.

Same for Will Smith. He's a good player but he's being paid elite money. Thats a problem.

Keep Patrick Robinson, he has gotten better. Is Harper big enough to move to OLB?. Love Will Smith but its time to move on. Get rid of Sedrick Ellis. Does he even play? Franklin is gone so is Shanle. Keep Vilma and move him to outside cause i think Dunbar played the middle pretty well. Keep Malcolm Jenkins and stop making him play single high saftey. Hes not made for that. Gw is gone..........gone now..........just gone.........but hey you never know when we bring in a new DC and some of the players we are talking about getting rid of might flourish in his system.

Greg Williams first. Then Shanle and probably Vilma. Was it Shanle who didn't even get his hands up on the game winning TD? Need to draft D-line upgrade.

Im 42 yrs old and have been born into a Saints Fan family. Since 06 this team has climbed to become one of the NFLs best. I had always said I wish the Saints could be as good as the Elite NFL teams...and now they are! 14-4 Not bad at all for a season. Look where we have come from and its not over yet. Not by a long shot! I say let the front office do their job and see if a new DC is in the works. If so, let the new coach choose the players he thinks will work in his style of D.
I agree this loss stings and I still wanna cry like a baby because we COULD have won another SB. Truth is we didnt play as well as the 49ers and we lost. So be it. I hope we TWO DAT next year and maybe again after that. I AM A SAINTS FAN!! ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL BE A SAINTS FAN!!

WHO DAT!!

Oh yeah, AND we beat Atlanta...twice!!!

I'm gone until April. LOL. It hurts, but I've seen alot worse in my 40 years as a fan. The Saints were close this year and they will be back in the hunt next year. WHO DAT!

I don't mind williams leaving but if he does stay the foucus needs to be on getting better players. We got very little to no pass rush with our front 4 all season long. Gaps were not sealed and every cut back run went for yards. The Secondary took 3 steps backwards. They never tried to locate the ball and seemed to stop trying getting the takaways.

GW is responsible for calling the defense on that last scoring drive from the 49ers but the players need to get better or get going. San Fran got pressure with their front 4 and sometimes 3 against our pro bowl line.

Time to put Money into the Defense. Resign Brees because he can bring the best out of the offense and if he is surrounded by a bunch of no names I can live with that, but our defense has to come first this next season.

It's easier to name the players I would keep:
Vilma- 1 more year age is starting to show
Harper- makes more plays than misses
Greer-best cb
Jenkins-special teams and backup
Robinson- still improving

On offense keep
Brees
Colston
Ivory
Henderson
Front Line

Everyone else either gets paid to win or moves on. I'd hate to see colston go due to money but if that's it then goodbye.

Tired of having a weak defense and record setting offense.

Everything is going to depend on what direction we're going to go at DC.

-I can see Franklin coming back if we went to a 3-4 scheme.

-I'm skeptical Vilma has much left in the tank. His run defense has him looking like a 3rd down linebacker. And even with that, he doesn't make many plays in coverage anymore either.

-Only problem with Will Smith is his contract. Would love to keep him at a restructured rate. Honestly even if we didn't, I'd have no problems keeping him. I find him more productive than his numbers suggest.

-Move Jenkins back to nickel/safety role.

2009 Jenkins was terrible in coverage. Always a step behind and showed 0 playing making ability.
2010 Jenkins showed us shades of a future ball hawking FS... well on his way of becoming an elite player.
2011 Jenkins hits like a mac truck and covers like a deer in the headlights. There's a big problem if your FS covers worse than your SS.

-I think it's time to part ways with Shanle. He's just too slow. The problem here lies that if he's on the roster, we're just going to continue to find ways to get him on the field. That's not saying he's a terrible player by any means, it's just he's better suited on the bench... which won't happen as long as he's here.

-Can't see any way Rogers comes back.

-For financial reasons, and the fact there should be a good market for him, keeping Greer may be an issue. This will probably be his last big contract and Brees/Nicks/Colston are up for big big pay raises. Vilma/Smith/Greer could all be on their way out.

-Promote Dunbar to starting MLB. He's just not suited for the outside.

The whole damn defense! We need some CRIMINALS on defense. Not real criminals but criminals on the field. One that will knock the piss out of someone, fast as hell and take the ball away! We dont have that now and GREGG DUMBASS WILLIAMS cant seem to coach it.

Forgot one more...

Bye bye Roby... you should have been gone last year.

Can't see letting Greer go. If I had to choose, I'd keep Greer over Colston.

Agree with everything else tho. On the money.

That is what is going to happen, I would like to get a young DT or 2 in the draft. Ellis is done. Vilma is done. Jenkinns has pi$$ed me off all year with his play. We are 3 to 4 players away from having a solid D. Some of our players will be outstanding in a new scheme. This D is pretty young with the exception of a few that are past their prime, if we replace them, we get really young and are able to build on that. Our secondary is ask to do to much, when they are your tackle leaders by a far margin somethings bad wrong, also how much abuse can a person take.

I don't start with who we need to let go I focus on who we need to bring in. Jack Del Rio. If SP decides that Greg can stay then we need a ball hawking safety I would defintely consider moving Malcolm Jenkins back into the nickel cornerback role.

Harper is solid I don't care about his coverage issues because when we had a pass rush is coverage issues never came into question!!!!

I remove or get rid of the following no specific order here!!!!

Shanle - or make him a back up
Rodger - no real help
Franklin - he stays only if we stay in 3-4
Porter - he cant tackle, and unless he makes plays I pull im back to slot corner status with jenkins.
Roby - Special teams won't suffer as much as we suffered yesterday!!!!

Resign brees, resign Nicks, franchise Colston.

I would build around

Martez Wilson I think this is the cornerstone of your new D. Sideline to Sideline LB at whichever position you want him in.

I'll would go right after Asante Samuel from Phili

Defensive Draft not one offensive player

Personally I am fine with all 4 in our secondary. I feel the problems stem more from a lack of pass pressure and our ability to cover the short zones with our LBers. We need to upgrade our D line and our OLB's. Vilma is a very solid MLB. Cam Jordan is a great every down DE but he lacks elite rush speed and moves. He is stout vs. the run and a good rotational player. Rogers is done. Ellis is regressing due to a lack of line threats. Franklin is steady but unspectacular. Shanle and Dunbar need to be upgraded. I think our secondary thrives if there is more pass rush and a LBer who can run with TE's or RB's at least for the first 10 yards.

On offense I think we try to keep this unit together. Colston is a must to me. No one is stepping up to overtake the #1 role and he is very good as a possessional and vertical threat. Upgrade the O-line at C and tackle and we have no issues there.

I like Wilson also great size and speed, tackles well, definatly someone to build around. I want 2 stud DT's.

oh god we are now gutting our defense after just starting to rebuild it from the retirement home we had before. well this will take time. you need replacements first. i will get back to this one

porter....now there is one guy that I love because of the P Manning pick, and we all know the story there, but he doesnt TACKLE, he tries to push people down, then after the fact always making a half ass attempt at swiping at the ball..its hard to think of him as a problem after winning us a superbowl, but the morning after has me wanting him gone to

Roby: Has been garbage from jump street. He was good as a gunner and that is it. Period.

Colston: Got to keep him. He has come up big so many times you can't count them.

Meachum: Let him go. Does he have speed, yes..but he is not what I thought he would be coming out of college. He looked a lot better in Tennessee.

Strief: Is a good backup.

Bushrod: Needs to move to RT. He has done a decent job at LT but we need better.

Shanle: Do I even need to say it? I would love to be the one first in line to boot him in his @ss right out the door. We need rabbits at OLB not turtles.

Vilma: I want to lean on saying he has regressed this year but I know that he has had a knee injury all year. So I'll put him on the back burner for now.

Porter: I honestly don't know wtf happened to him. He has totally fallen off the wagon or so it seems. Our entire defense has taken a step back. It's not like he is the only one sucking. Is it maybe the scheme? Idk. I say we give him another year.

Jenkins: See Porter.

Ellis: Has to go. He was suppose to be the next Sapp..lmao..that didn't pan out now did it.

Rodgers: Was done before he even got here. Bye.

Smith: Has seen his better years pass him bye. Seriously need to re-do his contract or he needs to go.

Greg Williams: He has run his course here. Mitch mentioned he had a top 10 defense everywhere he has gone except for here. I think he has become such a 1 trick pony, that his "Exotic" blitz's don't strike fear into anyone but our own players that have to execute it.

I think, like many of you, Martez is going to be a beast! I also like Cassilas(sp) but we need some depth.

Porter peaked and is in a nosedive. He's now a liability. Yep, Superbowl hero and all, but he has only had ONE interception since. I'm pretty sure that's true, anyway.

I'm just not feeling it next year, fellas. There will be many changes this year and then we'll have to get used to them.

Alaska

Yet San Fran changed just about everything, and they're 1 game away from the Superbowl

are there anymore Harbaughs out there that need a DC job...looks like that family tree has something figured out. HECK, Id even take one of their grandkids that are still in diapers over GW

Pat Robinson got better as the season went along, you don't get rid of him

Roby I though we cut him last night.

Unfair a bit. The only reason Roby was in there was to protect Sproles after PT went down.

Obviously the fumble changed that strategy, but Roby hasn't returned kicks all season. It was unfortunate.

right now the only areas i see wide open to addition is a pass rushing DE and OLB.

WR needs an additional slot WR.

I understand just mad !

Agreed, but I'd add DT to the mix, especially since Franklin and Rogers were both 1-year deals.

That leaves us Sed Ellis and Tom Johnson. Good backups but not much more.

WOW everybody is treating jenkins like he is jason david. you all said the same thing about harper last year and whaat do you think about him now. if your looking for a goat it aint jenkins its g. williams. Davis should have been covered of the line by a linebacker with help over the top by jenkins. williams gambled and lost.

I think the only WR we NEED to keep are Colston and Moore......Meach and Henderson they all are pretty much the same damn player.....AA...i mean how long is this experiment going to last?

on a bright note i think martz wilson is going to be a beast

Agreed this kid can play either SLB or WLB. I hope he can improve enough to start next year and the saints add something to the opposite side. 6'4' WLB is hard to find. A SLB with his speed is hard to find.