01-18-2012, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FinSaint
To be honest, I think Vilma was worth his contract in 2008, 2009, and somewhat in 2010. It was only late last and the whole of this season that he fell off what is expected of him, and probably that decline has everything to do with his knees, which is why I doubt we'll see a great improvement next season if he's still with the Saints. But to say that "he was a quality player only in his dreams" is not at all correct in my opinion. And the 2005 season with the Jets - if I remember correctly - was lights out from him and probably his best season as a NFL player.
Smith, on the other hand, had two really good seasons tackling-wise in 2007 & 2008, and then an all around good year in 2009 when he racked up additionally 13 sacks. But the last two seasons have seen his stats decline in all aspects - still we have to remember that he was hurt in 2010 and missed the start of this season with the star caps debacle - it's hard to pinpoint why the decline has taken place, but it might just be because of the general schemes and also somewhat due to the other players on that defensive front. Still, I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had his salary severely reduced to less than half. Again, Smith has been a quality player for the Saints and could still be that with a lower price tag to match his productivity.
Now, with Ellis I think your statement has some validity to it. During his first 4 seasons he has just never risen to meet those 1st round draft pick expectations, but one could argue that maybe those expectations were never realistic in the first place. Nevertheless, he is making 1st round money without the production to go along with it, and that is why he is expendable. His relatively small demeanor for a DT is probably one of the reasons why he hasn't found the success in the NFL which he had at the college level, and why he never gets his hands up to brake up the pass. Also, I was very disappointed with the lack of speed he showed this season as opposed to f.e. the 2010 season. If you don't have the size to push the O-Linemen backwards or have the speed to be an effective 3-tech... what are you good for?
The reason why I would not like to see both Vilma and Smith leave the Saints is that those are two of the guys who have worn the C on the defense, and I'm afraid that getting rid of both of them might have a bad affect on the rest of the guys on the defense. I know it is a business with business decisions, but if the other guys really look up to two guys in the locker-room and on the field - it would have to be a hard pill to swallow seeing both of them being kicked to the curve by the management.
I do agree with some of your statement, but I disagree with some also, not to sound disrespectful but as far as Vilma goes this is no where near 2005 and he has to me had 1 1/2 good years here and to be the captain of the D and his lack of production after that last year and all of this year tells alot about the player, if our lb.'s are being measured by his skill set they should have been set in 2005 not now. Ellis, my expectations of him was high, but to me he is average at best, Smith, I don't really know where he lost his edge but it's gone. A new DC will bring in players that fit his style of play and unless Vilma, Ellis or Smith has played his profile of football they can be replaced by anyone that can produce better results, so the title of captain means nothing. Each of them have had a few good years and I feel that they are living on past performances and reputation which goes only so far unless they continue to back it up in which they are not doing, to me it's what have you done for me lately, not what you use to do that just don't get it done if you want to win. Perfect example Gregg Williams. And to be honest none of them will be in the hall of fame.
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