You be spags, fix our defense!!!!

alleycat_126 · 02-04-2012, 08:34 AM

REMOVE SCOTT SHANLE!!!!!!! It's the number one piece we have to fix. No progress from WLB for far to long

- Ask Jonathan Vilma, Sedrick Ellis, and Will Smith to take pay cuts ...... . This gets you some much needed breathing room for defensive FA signings

- Sign D' Qwell Jackson from Cleveland. Tackle monster who plays Baltimore and Pittsburgh every year.

- Sign Cliff Avril from Detroit

- Find possible ways to lure Laron Landry to N.O

- Decide who's better Harper or Jenkins, but you CANNOT have two of the exact same player at both Safety positions. My money is on Malcolm Jenkins. So Trade Roman Harper for Asante Samuel.

Let Tracy Porter seek greener pastures!!!!!

Coach up in no specific Martez Wilson, Ramon Humber Jonathan Casillas, Greg Romeus, Cam Jorden for the youth movement.

Develop the third down ( NASCAR Package) Four DE on the field ( NEW DOME PATROL

spkb25 · 02-04-2012, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Start with stressing fundamentals.

I'd strive to be the team with the least amount of broken/missed tackles.

As far as personnel, I'd take the Finks approach. Build from the front toward the back. DT, DE, ILB, OLB.

Front to back, couldn't agree with you more man. It all starts up front, always

jcp026 · 02-04-2012, 09:11 AM

Would all of the $17 million for trading Harper count against the cap? If so, no point talking about moving him. If the cap hit is more manageable, I'd still hope for a trade with the Rams to bring Denario Alexander and a 3rd round pick to N.O.

Also, I think signing anyone of note in free agency is unlikely.

I'll say this one more time:
2nd round LB Donta Hightower
3rd round DE Jared Crick
4th round S Markelle Martin
5th round DT Derek Wolfe
6th round TE Ladarius Green
7th round LB Adrien Cole

That's how to fix the D.

Danno · 02-04-2012, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Would all of the $17 million for trading Harper count against the cap? If so, no point talking about moving him. If the cap hit is more manageable, I'd still hope for a trade with the Rams to bring Denario Alexander and a 3rd round pick to N.O.

Roughly...

Harper is in the 2nd year of a 4 year contract. 7 million signing bonus plus 16 million guaranteed. Those are typically spread out over the life of the contract so thats 23 million/4year = 5.75 million/year

With 3 years left thats 5.75 x 3 = 17.25 million that would accelerate to the current year cap if we cut/traded him.

Again, its a rough estimate because we don't know all of the details.

Harper is a much better SS than many here understand.

alleycat_126 · 02-04-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Roughly...

Harper is in the 2nd year of a 4 year contract. 7 million signing bonus plus 16 million guaranteed. Those are typically spread out over the life of the contract so thats 23 million/4year = 5.75 million/year

With 3 years left thats 5.75 x 3 = 17.25 million that would accelerate to the current year cap if we cut/traded him.

Again, its a rough estimate because we don't know all of the details.

Harper is a much better SS than many here understand.

I think most understand that Harper is good, but you have the exact same type of safety on the other side. Good not great, terrific in run support, coverage skills for long periods leave little to be desired. Get's smoke by hybrid TE's all day. Will you at least admit that one of the two safety spots should be able to come up with the ball every once and a while and stop giving harper and jenkins a pass.

Danno · 02-04-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

I think most understand that Harper is good, but you have the exact same type of safety on the other side. Good not great, terrific in run support, coverage skills for long periods leave little to be desired. Get's smoke by hybrid TE's all day.

If by all day you mean 2 or 3 games all season then OK.

Speedy Ron · 02-04-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I can see what your seeing about the DE's but the push up the middle has stunk for a few years , my thinking is with 2 DT's pushing the pocket it should make our speed rushers much, much better and with Romeus in the mix this year I think we are set at DE, now Avril would be nice but I don't think we have a chance at him. A MLB or OLB I could definatly see in FA or the draft. But the MLB needs to have some weight and speed, a thumper so to speak. I just want up-grades at these positions, not what we have now.

no offense, but what has romeus shown you that excites you? he was hurt all college, hurt rookie season.

halloween 65 · 02-04-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

no offense, but what has romeus shown you that excites you? he was hurt all college, hurt rookie season.

I just think they see something in this guy otherwise he would have been cut or taken an injury settlement. I think he starts right away or by game 4, he was great in college.

RockyMountainSaint · 02-04-2012, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Most of the yardage given up by the saints in running downs was through the back door. cut back and the saints over play killed them over and over again.

TACKLING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^

RockyMountainSaint · 02-04-2012, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I just think they see something in this guy otherwise he would have been cut or taken an injury settlement. I think he starts right away or by game 4, he was great in college.

I was at most of the open camp practices.

Day 1 he was gingerly going through the rehab drills.

At the end he was very aggressive and the athleticism was obvious.

I don't know anything about his football I.Q. but the dude is a talent.

I am very hopeful.

02-04-2012, 08:34 AM	#21
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	REMOVE SCOTT SHANLE!!!!!!! It's the number one piece we have to fix. No progress from WLB for far to long - Ask Jonathan Vilma, Sedrick Ellis, and Will Smith to take pay cuts ...... . This gets you some much needed breathing room for defensive FA signings - Sign D' Qwell Jackson from Cleveland. Tackle monster who plays Baltimore and Pittsburgh every year. - Sign Cliff Avril from Detroit - Find possible ways to lure Laron Landry to N.O - Decide who's better Harper or Jenkins, but you CANNOT have two of the exact same player at both Safety positions. My money is on Malcolm Jenkins. So Trade Roman Harper for Asante Samuel. Let Tracy Porter seek greener pastures!!!!! Coach up in no specific Martez Wilson, Ramon Humber Jonathan Casillas, Greg Romeus, Cam Jorden for the youth movement. Develop the third down ( NASCAR Package) Four DE on the field ( NEW DOME PATROL RockyMountainSaint likes this.

02-04-2012, 09:08 AM	#22
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Originally Posted by Danno Start with stressing fundamentals. I'd strive to be the team with the least amount of broken/missed tackles. As far as personnel, I'd take the Finks approach. Build from the front toward the back. DT, DE, ILB, OLB. Front to back, couldn't agree with you more man. It all starts up front, always

02-04-2012, 09:11 AM	#23
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 951	Would all of the $17 million for trading Harper count against the cap? If so, no point talking about moving him. If the cap hit is more manageable, I'd still hope for a trade with the Rams to bring Denario Alexander and a 3rd round pick to N.O. Also, I think signing anyone of note in free agency is unlikely. I'll say this one more time: 2nd round LB Donta Hightower 3rd round DE Jared Crick 4th round S Markelle Martin 5th round DT Derek Wolfe 6th round TE Ladarius Green 7th round LB Adrien Cole That's how to fix the D.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 951

02-04-2012, 09:22 AM	#24
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Originally Posted by jcp026 Would all of the $17 million for trading Harper count against the cap? If so, no point talking about moving him. If the cap hit is more manageable, I'd still hope for a trade with the Rams to bring Denario Alexander and a 3rd round pick to N.O. Roughly... Harper is in the 2nd year of a 4 year contract. 7 million signing bonus plus 16 million guaranteed. Those are typically spread out over the life of the contract so thats 23 million/4year = 5.75 million/year With 3 years left thats 5.75 x 3 = 17.25 million that would accelerate to the current year cap if we cut/traded him. Again, its a rough estimate because we don't know all of the details. Harper is a much better SS than many here understand. UK_WhoDat and RockyMountainSaint like this.

02-04-2012, 12:55 PM	#25
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Originally Posted by Danno Roughly... Harper is in the 2nd year of a 4 year contract. 7 million signing bonus plus 16 million guaranteed. Those are typically spread out over the life of the contract so thats 23 million/4year = 5.75 million/year With 3 years left thats 5.75 x 3 = 17.25 million that would accelerate to the current year cap if we cut/traded him. Again, its a rough estimate because we don't know all of the details. Harper is a much better SS than many here understand. I think most understand that Harper is good, but you have the exact same type of safety on the other side. Good not great, terrific in run support, coverage skills for long periods leave little to be desired. Get's smoke by hybrid TE's all day. Will you at least admit that one of the two safety spots should be able to come up with the ball every once and a while and stop giving harper and jenkins a pass.

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02-04-2012, 01:21 PM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Originally Posted by alleycat_126 I think most understand that Harper is good, but you have the exact same type of safety on the other side. Good not great, terrific in run support, coverage skills for long periods leave little to be desired. Get's smoke by hybrid TE's all day. If by all day you mean 2 or 3 games all season then OK. RockyMountainSaint and blackangold like this.

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Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Originally Posted by halloween 65 I can see what your seeing about the DE's but the push up the middle has stunk for a few years , my thinking is with 2 DT's pushing the pocket it should make our speed rushers much, much better and with Romeus in the mix this year I think we are set at DE, now Avril would be nice but I don't think we have a chance at him. A MLB or OLB I could definatly see in FA or the draft. But the MLB needs to have some weight and speed, a thumper so to speak. I just want up-grades at these positions, not what we have now. no offense, but what has romeus shown you that excites you? he was hurt all college, hurt rookie season.

02-04-2012, 04:07 PM	#28
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by Speedy Ron no offense, but what has romeus shown you that excites you? he was hurt all college, hurt rookie season. I just think they see something in this guy otherwise he would have been cut or taken an injury settlement. I think he starts right away or by game 4, he was great in college.

02-04-2012, 08:40 PM	#29
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by hagan714 Most of the yardage given up by the saints in running downs was through the back door. cut back and the saints over play killed them over and over again. TACKLING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^

02-04-2012, 08:47 PM	#30
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by halloween 65 I just think they see something in this guy otherwise he would have been cut or taken an injury settlement. I think he starts right away or by game 4, he was great in college. I was at most of the open camp practices. Day 1 he was gingerly going through the rehab drills. At the end he was very aggressive and the athleticism was obvious. I don't know anything about his football I.Q. but the dude is a talent. I am very hopeful. UK_WhoDat likes this.

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