You be spags, fix our defense!!!!

The Dude · 02-05-2012, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

I think most understand that Harper is good, but you have the exact same type of safety on the other side. Good not great, terrific in run support, coverage skills for long periods leave little to be desired. Get's smoke by hybrid TE's all day. Will you at least admit that one of the two safety spots should be able to come up with the ball every once and a while and stop giving harper and jenkins a pass.

Jenkins looked good and steadily improving the past two years. He had a down year this year. A lot of players do their 3rd year. I want to see what some of the rookies that came in under Gregg Williams can do in a new scheme before I go tossing them out. His schemes had to be tough on players coming into the league. Harper has been around for a while and probably won't get any better in pass coverage but is too valuable againt the run to let go. I think you see Jenkins shine in pass coverage under a new scheme. Then you put Harper in for run situations and play Jenkins in coverage when its obvious.

Speedy Ron · 02-05-2012, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I just think they see something in this guy otherwise he would have been cut or taken an injury settlement. I think he starts right away or by game 4, he was great in college.

i hope your right. we need a DE so bad. i am still not crazy about the cam jordan pick. the whole "hes not a pass rusher but great against the run" thing just kills me. it might just be the talking heads incorrect analysis of the guy but to me its a waisted pick. who wants a de that cant rush the passer in a pass happy league. id rather have picked ingram and kept the first round pick this year. who know maybe we can retain nicks and colston since we dont have to pay a first rounder.

jcp026 · 02-05-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

i hope your right. we need a DE so bad. i am still not crazy about the cam jordan pick. the whole "hes not a pass rusher but great against the run" thing just kills me. it might just be the talking heads incorrect analysis of the guy but to me its a waisted pick. who wants a de that cant rush the passer in a pass happy league. id rather have picked ingram and kept the first round pick this year. who know maybe we can retain nicks and colston since we dont have to pay a first rounder.

I'd rather have picked Jordan and then traded out of the second and picked DeMarco Murray. That is, of course, in hindsight. I didn't want to draft a running back at all. All defense for me.

blackangold · 02-11-2012, 04:25 PM

Starting D for 2012 season (current roster)
DE Gallete
DT Johnson/Jorden
NT Franklin
DE Romeus (if healthy) McBride (if not)

WLB Casillas
MLB Vilma
SLB Wilson

CB Greer
SS Harper
FS Jenkins
CB Robinson

NB Patrick

Cut Shanle, Ellis and Smith--don't re-sign Porter or Rodgers. Use FA or draft to get depth at DT

Casillas - YouTube

Martez Wilson - YouTube

CharityMike · 02-11-2012, 06:48 PM

Man..when you watch these highlights of Casillas and Wilson you can't help but get excited. Seemed GW mainly used them to blitz. Crossing my fingers we get to see them full time.

02-05-2012, 02:13 AM	#31
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Originally Posted by alleycat_126 I think most understand that Harper is good, but you have the exact same type of safety on the other side. Good not great, terrific in run support, coverage skills for long periods leave little to be desired. Get's smoke by hybrid TE's all day. Will you at least admit that one of the two safety spots should be able to come up with the ball every once and a while and stop giving harper and jenkins a pass. Jenkins looked good and steadily improving the past two years. He had a down year this year. A lot of players do their 3rd year. I want to see what some of the rookies that came in under Gregg Williams can do in a new scheme before I go tossing them out. His schemes had to be tough on players coming into the league. Harper has been around for a while and probably won't get any better in pass coverage but is too valuable againt the run to let go. I think you see Jenkins shine in pass coverage under a new scheme. Then you put Harper in for run situations and play Jenkins in coverage when its obvious.
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02-05-2012, 05:09 PM	#32
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Originally Posted by halloween 65 I just think they see something in this guy otherwise he would have been cut or taken an injury settlement. I think he starts right away or by game 4, he was great in college. i hope your right. we need a DE so bad. i am still not crazy about the cam jordan pick. the whole "hes not a pass rusher but great against the run" thing just kills me. it might just be the talking heads incorrect analysis of the guy but to me its a waisted pick. who wants a de that cant rush the passer in a pass happy league. id rather have picked ingram and kept the first round pick this year. who know maybe we can retain nicks and colston since we dont have to pay a first rounder.

02-05-2012, 05:18 PM	#33
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 951	Originally Posted by Speedy Ron i hope your right. we need a DE so bad. i am still not crazy about the cam jordan pick. the whole "hes not a pass rusher but great against the run" thing just kills me. it might just be the talking heads incorrect analysis of the guy but to me its a waisted pick. who wants a de that cant rush the passer in a pass happy league. id rather have picked ingram and kept the first round pick this year. who know maybe we can retain nicks and colston since we dont have to pay a first rounder. I'd rather have picked Jordan and then traded out of the second and picked DeMarco Murray. That is, of course, in hindsight. I didn't want to draft a running back at all. All defense for me.
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02-11-2012, 06:48 PM	#35
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Man..when you watch these highlights of Casillas and Wilson you can't help but get excited. Seemed GW mainly used them to blitz. Crossing my fingers we get to see them full time. blackangold likes this.

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