Ivory a trade candidate?

BGWhoDat · 02-16-2012, 10:27 PM

It will likely depend on who we face that day. Who knows. I'm sure they can come up with some formula to figure it out. Each of them are key. I just don't see Ivory going anywhere anytime soon.

From what I've seen from Ingram, he is the weakest link right now.

ScottF · 02-16-2012, 11:04 PM

Ivory is very cheap, contract-wise, but I really don't think anyone is going to give up much for him
I'd rather have him than a fifth rounder that would probably cost more anyways

The Dude · 02-16-2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Trade Candidates

4. Chris Ivory, Saints

Overview: A north-south collision runner completely devoid of passing-game value, Ivory has flourished whenever given opportunities to be the Saints' early-down back. Appearing in 18 games through two years, Ivory has averaged 5.05 yards per carry with six touchdowns. The relentless, take-no-prisoners style has led to an array of injuries, however. Ivory blew out a knee five games into his senior college season. Undrafted in 2010, he missed time as a rookie with an MCL injury, concussion, separated shoulder, and a hamstring strain. Ivory suffered a Lisfranc fracture in his left foot in Week 17. He also underwent hernia surgery during the 2011 offseason and missed one game with another hamstring injury last season. Ivory is only two years into the league, and he's already got a laundry list of medical flags. The Saints will be all ears in regard to trade offers because he's fourth string behind Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas, and Mark Ingram.

Prediction: Elsewhere before 2012 trade deadline.

Read more (a good article); The 2012 Running Back Market - Offseason Low Down - Rotoworld.com

When is the trade deadline

The Dude · 02-16-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Ivory is very cheap, contract-wise, but I really don't think anyone is going to give up much for him
I'd rather have him than a fifth rounder that would probably cost more anyways

Exactly. Only reason I could think of is to free up a roster spot, I don't see us needing anyone that bad.

BGWhoDat · 02-16-2012, 11:22 PM

I'm with that. We definitely don't need anyone to fill that roster spot.

The Saints have the most depth at the running back position in the NFL. It allows players to remain healthy. On top of that, it creates a bit of trouble when preparing for a game for opponents since they have to prepare for all the threats. Each play has different strengths and skill set.

It works. No reason to fix it at all. Finished 8th in rushing in the NFL this season and we're only getting better. A stronger run game opens up our passing game. Evidence was this past season.

|Mitch| · 02-16-2012, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

When is the trade deadline

trade deadline is the end of week 6 on the schedule every year, I think...

jeanpierre · 02-17-2012, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Exactly. Only reason I could think of is to free up a roster spot, I don't see us needing anyone that bad.

Has everyone forgotten that we ran out of running backs in the playoffs against Seattle?

Luda34 · 02-17-2012, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He's barely worth a 7th rounder, I'd rather keep him.

I agree I wouldn't get rid of him for a 7th rounder

ScottF · 02-17-2012, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Has everyone forgotten that we ran out of running backs in the playoffs against Seattle?

No one has forgotten it, but that was an anomaly, and we didn't lose to Seattle because of our running game.

4 starting RB's is BEYOND a luxury... does another NFL team have even 3?
We continue to spend money on offense, and then we cannot stop Hasselback or Smith, or whoever started for the Rams.
These guys are being talked about as trade bait because we have needs elsewhere, and money is very tight this year

FinSaint · 02-17-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

No one has forgotten it, but that was an anomaly, and we didn't lose to Seattle because of our running game.

4 starting RB's is BEYOND a luxury... does another NFL team have even 3?
We continue to spend money on offense, and then we cannot stop Hasselback or Smith, or whoever started for the Rams.
These guys are being talked about as trade bait because we have needs elsewhere, and money is very tight this year

Ivory will have a cap hit of $490K next season, so it's not like trading him will create cap room - only reason to trade him would be if the roster spot was desperately needed for someone else.

Sproles' cap hit for 2012 will be around $3.5M, PT's cap hit will be $2.3M, and Ingram's cap hit will be around $810K.

They're all very affordable for what they can (and consistently do) bring to the field every single week and, therefore, there isn't much money to be saved on that front.

Also I could imagine it being fairly expensive if the Saints had to bring in another good/great RB during the season if they were to run into some injury problems, and had earlier let one of these RBs go.

02-16-2012, 11:04 PM	#12
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Ivory is very cheap, contract-wise, but I really don't think anyone is going to give up much for him I'd rather have him than a fifth rounder that would probably cost more anyways The Dude and BGWhoDat like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Trade Candidates 4. Chris Ivory, Saints Overview: A north-south collision runner completely devoid of passing-game value, Ivory has flourished whenever given opportunities to be the Saints' early-down back. Appearing in 18 games through two years, Ivory has averaged 5.05 yards per carry with six touchdowns. The relentless, take-no-prisoners style has led to an array of injuries, however. Ivory blew out a knee five games into his senior college season. Undrafted in 2010, he missed time as a rookie with an MCL injury, concussion, separated shoulder, and a hamstring strain. Ivory suffered a Lisfranc fracture in his left foot in Week 17. He also underwent hernia surgery during the 2011 offseason and missed one game with another hamstring injury last season. Ivory is only two years into the league, and he's already got a laundry list of medical flags. The Saints will be all ears in regard to trade offers because he's fourth string behind Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas, and Mark Ingram. Prediction: Elsewhere before 2012 trade deadline. Read more (a good article); The 2012 Running Back Market - Offseason Low Down - Rotoworld.com When is the trade deadline
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Originally Posted by ScottF Ivory is very cheap, contract-wise, but I really don't think anyone is going to give up much for him I'd rather have him than a fifth rounder that would probably cost more anyways Exactly. Only reason I could think of is to free up a roster spot, I don't see us needing anyone that bad.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by The Dude When is the trade deadline trade deadline is the end of week 6 on the schedule every year, I think...

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by The Dude Exactly. Only reason I could think of is to free up a roster spot, I don't see us needing anyone that bad. Has everyone forgotten that we ran out of running backs in the playoffs against Seattle?

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BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	I'm with that. We definitely don't need anyone to fill that roster spot. The Saints have the most depth at the running back position in the NFL. It allows players to remain healthy. On top of that, it creates a bit of trouble when preparing for a game for opponents since they have to prepare for all the threats. Each play has different strengths and skill set. It works. No reason to fix it at all. Finished 8th in rushing in the NFL this season and we're only getting better. A stronger run game opens up our passing game. Evidence was this past season.

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Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Originally Posted by Danno He's barely worth a 7th rounder, I'd rather keep him. I agree I wouldn't get rid of him for a 7th rounder

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Has everyone forgotten that we ran out of running backs in the playoffs against Seattle? No one has forgotten it, but that was an anomaly, and we didn't lose to Seattle because of our running game. 4 starting RB's is BEYOND a luxury... does another NFL team have even 3? We continue to spend money on offense, and then we cannot stop Hasselback or Smith, or whoever started for the Rams. These guys are being talked about as trade bait because we have needs elsewhere, and money is very tight this year

02-17-2012, 01:06 PM	#20
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by ScottF No one has forgotten it, but that was an anomaly, and we didn't lose to Seattle because of our running game. 4 starting RB's is BEYOND a luxury... does another NFL team have even 3? We continue to spend money on offense, and then we cannot stop Hasselback or Smith, or whoever started for the Rams. These guys are being talked about as trade bait because we have needs elsewhere, and money is very tight this year Ivory will have a cap hit of $490K next season, so it's not like trading him will create cap room - only reason to trade him would be if the roster spot was desperately needed for someone else. Sproles' cap hit for 2012 will be around $3.5M, PT's cap hit will be $2.3M, and Ingram's cap hit will be around $810K. They're all very affordable for what they can (and consistently do) bring to the field every single week and, therefore, there isn't much money to be saved on that front. Also I could imagine it being fairly expensive if the Saints had to bring in another good/great RB during the season if they were to run into some injury problems, and had earlier let one of these RBs go.
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