Moss to visit Saints(update pg.7)

alexonfyre · 03-08-2012, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Are you serious???

Randy Moss made the Pro Bowl 7 times in his 13 years in the league (1998-2000, 2002-03, 2007, 2009), and was named Pro Bowl MVP in 2000.

Moss was also an All-Pro selection five times. (1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2007)

•Most touchdown receptions in a season – 23 (2007)
•Most touchdown receptions by a rookie in a season – 17 (1998)
•Most seasons with 17 or more touchdown receptions – 3 (1998, 2003, 2007)
•Most games in a season with at least 2 touchdown receptions – 8 (2007)
•Most yards receiving in a Pro Bowl game – 212 (2000)
•Most 1,200+ yard receiving seasons to start a career – 6 (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003)
•Fastest player to reach 5,000 career receiving yards – 59 games
•Youngest player in NFL history to record 100 receiving touchdowns – (29 years and 235 days)
•Youngest player in NFL history to record 120 receiving touchdowns – (30 years, 313 days)

#5 All time receiving yards, #2 all time touchdowns scored, #10 all time receptions, single season receiving yardage record, single season receiving TD's record, rookie TD reception record, most games in a season w/ multiple TD receptions in history.

Do you really think Moss is not a 1st ballot Hall of Famer???

Case in point: the league says that the Hall of Fame is for people who changed the game. Randy Moss is the reason that Defensive coordinators had to invent the over-the-top safety coverage scheme, which he then managed to beat.
He's an ******* and a lunatic, but 9 people from the 1970s Raiders also happen to be in the HoF.

BGWhoDat · 03-08-2012, 11:31 PM

There's only 7 wide receivers in the HOF who started their careers after 1970. Only two were first ballot Largent and Rice.

Irvin got rejected once, Tim Brown and Andre Reed also have been rejected.

Moss is not first ballot. I don't care what his stats say. WR's aren't respected by voters for the HOF.

Fact.

gandhi1007 · 03-09-2012, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

There's only 7 wide receivers in the HOF who started their careers after 1970. Only two were first ballot Largent and Rice.

Irvin got rejected once, Tim Brown and Andre Reed also have been rejected.

Moss is not first ballot. I don't care what his stats say. WR's aren't respected by voters for the HOF.

Fact.

Irvin, Brown, & Reed never put up the numbers Moss has. Neither did Largent. That's just a dumb argument. Fact is....only Jerry Rice holds trump over Moss as a wide receiver, and he played in his forties. If you really believe Moss is not 1st ballot material, you're fooling yourself or you don't know football! Even Michael Irvin himself said Moss should be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer & that compared to Rice & himself who always had great QB's......Moss played for average QB's at best most of his career. Stop hating on the guy!!!

SloMotion · 03-09-2012, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

"4.39 to 4.42 forty time", "ran precise routes", "caught everything thrown his way", "looked physically in great shape", "wowed everyone there". Now.....I'd say that sounds like the old Randy. That said, Randy Moss on his worst day is still a better WR than Meachem or Devery on their best days. That's fact.....even at 35! That said......he's cheap, has excellent hands, is 6'4", & is fast. Oh yeah.....he's also one of the best WR's of all time. Why not take a shot at him? If he shows signs of "prima donna" behavior, you simply cut him.....end of story. It's not like you broke the bank for him.

Originally Posted by BGWhoDat

WWL and other sources said he did not run the 40 this morning - that statement by SportsNOLA.com is false.

There was also a statement that surfaced (I noticed my Editor at WhoDatDish said it also) that the Saints were going to offer Moss a contract in the coming days.
I just spoke to Kevin Spain of the New Orleans Times-Picayune. He has informed me at this time there has been no verification that the New Orleans Saints have intent to offer WR Randy Moss a contract in the coming days.

I'm all over the board on Randy Moss. One day I'll be thinking he's the next coming, then I'll remember him quitting on routes.

You make a very compelling argument for signing Moss and I just wanted to point out post #68 or so in this thread where BGWhoDat put into question the "4.39 to 4.42 forty time". That to me signaled the Randy Moss debate had, or will soon be, a media circus. The "facts" are flying and who knows what's true or not. You can see where BGWhoDat quoted sources both stating and then not confirming a Randy Moss signing.

But, I think in light of everything that's gone on lately, I say the Saints embrace the 'bad-boy' image and sign him. Embracing that image did wonders for the Detroit Pistons of the '80s and led to multiple championships.

Give Moss a second chance to prove himself as long as you can cut him loose should he revert to his old ways. Make the gamble worth the risk by signing him cheap.

For better or worse, I'm now officially on board the Randy Moss bandwagon. IDK if it means I love controversy and/or I am an excitement junkie, but I do know there probably won't be a dull moment, good or bad.

BGWhoDat · 03-09-2012, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Irvin, Brown, & Reed never put up the numbers Moss has. Neither did Largent. That's just a dumb argument. Fact is....only Jerry Rice holds trump over Moss as a wide receiver, and he played in his forties. If you really believe Moss is not 1st ballot material, you're fooling yourself or you don't know football! Even Michael Irvin himself said Moss should be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer & that compared to Rice & himself who always had great QB's......Moss played for average QB's at best most of his career. Stop hating on the guy!!!

I'm not hating on Moss I simply said he isn't first ballot. To say I don't know football - there's no reason to disrespect someone like that because they simply don't agree with your opinion.

A lot of his issues the past couple seasons with half assing routes, his character problems and such, will hurt him.

Moss is a second ballot WR in my due to the fact of the issues I've stated and there only being two first ballot WR's since 1970. The odds aren't in his favor.

In no way did I say his numbers weren't impressive or first ballot worthy, nor did I say he wasn't credible. I'm aware of the QBs he has played with.

There's no need to say I'm fooling myself or don't know football. Relax buddy.

BGWhoDat · 03-09-2012, 09:37 AM

@SloMotion

I'm glad you read that. I was very disappointed to see so many signals crossed. I know NBC Sports later said the he didn't run the 40 either. I'm not sure where SportsNOLA got their information. I know Moss claimed when he made the statement he wanted to play football again that he could run that and recently clocked at it. Maybe that's where.

I was displeased to say the least with my Editor making a false claim that the Saints were going to make him an offer. I never make claims in my articles or posts unless I can confirm them with a few legit sources. I never rely on one persons/websites claim.

I'm sure you can understand my position when I have to correct people due to them reading something someone who is "higher in position" than me wrote with absolutely no credible source to say such a claim. It would have been different had he have said "should offer" or "could offer" instead of "will."

SapperSaint · 03-09-2012, 10:08 AM

Speaking of HoF

There are some great WR that are not in the HoF yet.

Andre Reed, Tim Brown and Chris Carter

RaginCajun83 · 03-09-2012, 10:09 AM

Screw his stats ... i don't want this cancer, "me first" player on the Saints

RaginCajun83 · 03-09-2012, 10:09 AM

Cris Cater isn't in due to politics

Srgt. Hulka · 03-09-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by KingCutta

lose Devery or Meachem...only one of them though. Sign Colston and Moss. Then when we play the Failclowns and Moss catches a TD I hope he does this to the crowd

Randy Moon - YouTube

Personally, I hope he doesn't do it to anybody...even Atlanta. Catch the damn ball, spike it, and get your a&& to the sideline.

03-08-2012, 11:23 PM	#101
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Are you serious??? Randy Moss made the Pro Bowl 7 times in his 13 years in the league (1998-2000, 2002-03, 2007, 2009), and was named Pro Bowl MVP in 2000. Moss was also an All-Pro selection five times. (1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2007) •Most touchdown receptions in a season – 23 (2007) •Most touchdown receptions by a rookie in a season – 17 (1998) •Most seasons with 17 or more touchdown receptions – 3 (1998, 2003, 2007) •Most games in a season with at least 2 touchdown receptions – 8 (2007) •Most yards receiving in a Pro Bowl game – 212 (2000) •Most 1,200+ yard receiving seasons to start a career – 6 (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003) •Fastest player to reach 5,000 career receiving yards – 59 games •Youngest player in NFL history to record 100 receiving touchdowns – (29 years and 235 days) •Youngest player in NFL history to record 120 receiving touchdowns – (30 years, 313 days) #5 All time receiving yards, #2 all time touchdowns scored, #10 all time receptions, single season receiving yardage record, single season receiving TD's record, rookie TD reception record, most games in a season w/ multiple TD receptions in history. Do you really think Moss is not a 1st ballot Hall of Famer??? Case in point: the league says that the Hall of Fame is for people who changed the game. Randy Moss is the reason that Defensive coordinators had to invent the over-the-top safety coverage scheme, which he then managed to beat. He's an ******* and a lunatic, but 9 people from the 1970s Raiders also happen to be in the HoF.

03-09-2012, 12:06 AM	#103
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by BGWhoDat There's only 7 wide receivers in the HOF who started their careers after 1970. Only two were first ballot Largent and Rice. Irvin got rejected once, Tim Brown and Andre Reed also have been rejected. Moss is not first ballot. I don't care what his stats say. WR's aren't respected by voters for the HOF. Fact. Irvin, Brown, & Reed never put up the numbers Moss has. Neither did Largent. That's just a dumb argument. Fact is....only Jerry Rice holds trump over Moss as a wide receiver, and he played in his forties. If you really believe Moss is not 1st ballot material, you're fooling yourself or you don't know football! Even Michael Irvin himself said Moss should be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer & that compared to Rice & himself who always had great QB's......Moss played for average QB's at best most of his career. Stop hating on the guy!!!
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03-09-2012, 06:59 AM	#104
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 "4.39 to 4.42 forty time", "ran precise routes", "caught everything thrown his way", "looked physically in great shape", "wowed everyone there". Now.....I'd say that sounds like the old Randy. That said, Randy Moss on his worst day is still a better WR than Meachem or Devery on their best days. That's fact.....even at 35! That said......he's cheap, has excellent hands, is 6'4", & is fast. Oh yeah.....he's also one of the best WR's of all time. Why not take a shot at him? If he shows signs of "prima donna" behavior, you simply cut him.....end of story. It's not like you broke the bank for him. Originally Posted by BGWhoDat WWL and other sources said he did not run the 40 this morning - that statement by SportsNOLA.com is false. There was also a statement that surfaced (I noticed my Editor at WhoDatDish said it also) that the Saints were going to offer Moss a contract in the coming days. I just spoke to Kevin Spain of the New Orleans Times-Picayune. He has informed me at this time there has been no verification that the New Orleans Saints have intent to offer WR Randy Moss a contract in the coming days. I'm all over the board on Randy Moss. One day I'll be thinking he's the next coming, then I'll remember him quitting on routes. You make a very compelling argument for signing Moss and I just wanted to point out post #68 or so in this thread where BGWhoDat put into question the "4.39 to 4.42 forty time". That to me signaled the Randy Moss debate had, or will soon be, a media circus. The "facts" are flying and who knows what's true or not. You can see where BGWhoDat quoted sources both stating and then not confirming a Randy Moss signing. But, I think in light of everything that's gone on lately, I say the Saints embrace the 'bad-boy' image and sign him. Embracing that image did wonders for the Detroit Pistons of the '80s and led to multiple championships. Give Moss a second chance to prove himself as long as you can cut him loose should he revert to his old ways. Make the gamble worth the risk by signing him cheap. For better or worse, I'm now officially on board the Randy Moss bandwagon. IDK if it means I love controversy and/or I am an excitement junkie, but I do know there probably won't be a dull moment, good or bad. CharityMike and BGWhoDat like this.

03-09-2012, 09:25 AM	#105
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Irvin, Brown, & Reed never put up the numbers Moss has. Neither did Largent. That's just a dumb argument. Fact is....only Jerry Rice holds trump over Moss as a wide receiver, and he played in his forties. If you really believe Moss is not 1st ballot material, you're fooling yourself or you don't know football! Even Michael Irvin himself said Moss should be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer & that compared to Rice & himself who always had great QB's......Moss played for average QB's at best most of his career. Stop hating on the guy!!! I'm not hating on Moss I simply said he isn't first ballot. To say I don't know football - there's no reason to disrespect someone like that because they simply don't agree with your opinion. A lot of his issues the past couple seasons with half assing routes, his character problems and such, will hurt him. Moss is a second ballot WR in my due to the fact of the issues I've stated and there only being two first ballot WR's since 1970. The odds aren't in his favor. In no way did I say his numbers weren't impressive or first ballot worthy, nor did I say he wasn't credible. I'm aware of the QBs he has played with. There's no need to say I'm fooling myself or don't know football. Relax buddy.
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03-09-2012, 09:37 AM	#106
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	@SloMotion I'm glad you read that. I was very disappointed to see so many signals crossed. I know NBC Sports later said the he didn't run the 40 either. I'm not sure where SportsNOLA got their information. I know Moss claimed when he made the statement he wanted to play football again that he could run that and recently clocked at it. Maybe that's where. I was displeased to say the least with my Editor making a false claim that the Saints were going to make him an offer. I never make claims in my articles or posts unless I can confirm them with a few legit sources. I never rely on one persons/websites claim. I'm sure you can understand my position when I have to correct people due to them reading something someone who is "higher in position" than me wrote with absolutely no credible source to say such a claim. It would have been different had he have said "should offer" or "could offer" instead of "will."
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03-08-2012, 11:31 PM	#102
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	There's only 7 wide receivers in the HOF who started their careers after 1970. Only two were first ballot Largent and Rice. Irvin got rejected once, Tim Brown and Andre Reed also have been rejected. Moss is not first ballot. I don't care what his stats say. WR's aren't respected by voters for the HOF. Fact.

03-09-2012, 10:08 AM	#107
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Speaking of HoF There are some great WR that are not in the HoF yet. Andre Reed, Tim Brown and Chris Carter

03-09-2012, 10:09 AM	#108
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Screw his stats ... i don't want this cancer, "me first" player on the Saints

03-09-2012, 10:09 AM	#109
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Cris Cater isn't in due to politics

03-09-2012, 10:54 AM	#110
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Originally Posted by KingCutta lose Devery or Meachem...only one of them though. Sign Colston and Moss. Then when we play the Failclowns and Moss catches a TD I hope he does this to the crowd Randy Moon - YouTube Personally, I hope he doesn't do it to anybody...even Atlanta. Catch the damn ball, spike it, and get your a&& to the sideline.

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