Payton, Williams can appeal, but should they?

RockyMountainSaint · 03-22-2012, 12:36 PM

Payton, Williams can appeal, but should they? | ProFootballTalk

A question many of you have asked over the past 24 hours relates to the question of whether Saints coach Sean Payton, Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis, Saints assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt, and former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams have the ability to appeal the penalties imposed on them as a result of the three-year bounty system maintained by the team.

The easy answer is that they can.

The tougher question is whether they should.

For starters, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells PFT that any appeal will be heard by the Commissioner, pursuant to the NFL’s Constitution and Bylaws. And based on the Commissioner’s attitude as evidenced by his Wednesday media tour, he likely won’t be changing his mind.

More importantly, appealing the punishment doesn’t mesh with the repeated acceptance of “full responsibility” by Williams and, separately, by Payton and Loomis.

After being whacked hard by the league and saying all the right things (after months of lying), any goodwill the men have created will be squandered if they now try to fight the sanctions.

So, yes, they can fight. But any unlikely partial victory they secure via a reduction of the punishment will be outweighed by the style points they’d lose via the perception that they really don’t accept full responsibility.

Payton has about 8 mil reasons to appeal!

papz · 03-22-2012, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

Payton has about 8 mil reasons to appeal!

The first thought to enter my mind. You'd have to be bat crazy not to.

QBREES9 · 03-22-2012, 12:42 PM

And what do they think Goodell is going to say ? You can try.

|Mitch| · 03-22-2012, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

And what do they think Goodell is going to say?

DENIED!

73Saint · 03-22-2012, 12:55 PM

They already did appeal. What the heck do you think Benson and Payton were doing in New York week before last? Don't you figure That was their chance to be heard.

On another note, I wonder if Benson made any request to Goodell to hold off on handing out the punishment, until season ticket purchases had to be made. Wasn't the cut off date to order season tickets recently?

lee909 · 03-22-2012, 12:56 PM

They request a private meeting with him and discuss the situation before deciding what to do

RailBoss · 03-22-2012, 01:02 PM

From what is being said the lying and cover up is what did them in.
What can they possibly say at this point.

TXGSP · 03-22-2012, 01:13 PM

I realize this may have been worded carefully by the Saints legal department, but does it contain the answer.

From the Saints response:

"Today, Commissioner Goodell apprised us of the severe penalties facing our club, as proposed by the NFL."

Even if an appeal is unsuccessful, it should be pursued by all involved.

The extent of penalties and repercussions now and in the future on ANY team, owner, GM, coach, and player should be reviewed.

Saintswrath · 03-22-2012, 03:01 PM

It's hard to apologize for years of lies and cover-up, Sean Payton need to just bite it and architect his best damn gameplan he's ever seen in his life together while he has a whole year to observe team's.

nutria · 03-22-2012, 03:24 PM

If they knew about the investigation that was started a couple of years ago and didn't take action, what do you appeal, that your stupid and you can't help yourself???

03-22-2012, 12:36 PM	#1
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Payton, Williams can appeal, but should they? Payton, Williams can appeal, but should they? \| ProFootballTalk A question many of you have asked over the past 24 hours relates to the question of whether Saints coach Sean Payton, Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis, Saints assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt, and former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams have the ability to appeal the penalties imposed on them as a result of the three-year bounty system maintained by the team. The easy answer is that they can. The tougher question is whether they should. For starters, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells PFT that any appeal will be heard by the Commissioner, pursuant to the NFL’s Constitution and Bylaws. And based on the Commissioner’s attitude as evidenced by his Wednesday media tour, he likely won’t be changing his mind. More importantly, appealing the punishment doesn’t mesh with the repeated acceptance of “full responsibility” by Williams and, separately, by Payton and Loomis. After being whacked hard by the league and saying all the right things (after months of lying), any goodwill the men have created will be squandered if they now try to fight the sanctions. So, yes, they can fight. But any unlikely partial victory they secure via a reduction of the punishment will be outweighed by the style points they’d lose via the perception that they really don’t accept full responsibility. Payton has about 8 mil reasons to appeal!
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03-22-2012, 12:41 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint Payton has about 8 mil reasons to appeal! The first thought to enter my mind. You'd have to be bat crazy not to.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by QBREES9 And what do they think Goodell is going to say? DENIED!

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03-22-2012, 12:42 PM	#3
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	And what do they think Goodell is going to say ? You can try.

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73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	They already did appeal. What the heck do you think Benson and Payton were doing in New York week before last? Don't you figure That was their chance to be heard. On another note, I wonder if Benson made any request to Goodell to hold off on handing out the punishment, until season ticket purchases had to be made. Wasn't the cut off date to order season tickets recently?

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	They request a private meeting with him and discuss the situation before deciding what to do

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RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	From what is being said the lying and cover up is what did them in. What can they possibly say at this point.

03-22-2012, 01:13 PM	#8
TXGSP LET MY TEAM GO! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Just north of COWGAL HELL Posts: 296	I realize this may have been worded carefully by the Saints legal department, but does it contain the answer. From the Saints response: "Today, Commissioner Goodell apprised us of the severe penalties facing our club, as proposed by the NFL." Even if an appeal is unsuccessful, it should be pursued by all involved. The extent of penalties and repercussions now and in the future on ANY team, owner, GM, coach, and player should be reviewed.

03-22-2012, 03:01 PM	#9
Saintswrath +Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between 504 & 813 Posts: 1,776 Blog Entries: 4	It's hard to apologize for years of lies and cover-up, Sean Payton need to just bite it and architect his best damn gameplan he's ever seen in his life together while he has a whole year to observe team's.

03-22-2012, 03:24 PM	#10
nutria Sac-A-Lait Join Date: May 2006 Location: Prairieville, LA Posts: 262	If they knew about the investigation that was started a couple of years ago and didn't take action, what do you appeal, that your stupid and you can't help yourself???