New York Giants admit to doing exactly the same thing as the New Orleans Saints!

PatMcIrish · 04-06-2012, 09:18 AM

I keep hearing you guys asking penalties for others, who else has been taped and up against this kind of clear evidence? If it's out there you're absolutely right, they should be punished as well.

And FTR I agree about Goodell, not sure what he is thinking sometime. The Pats should have gotten a lot more than they did. But in the end none of that is relevant, what you guys did was wrong and frankly I'm shocked so many of you are okay with it.

I'm a Bucs fan first, like the Saints 2nd, but I remember when Sapp kicked someone in the head. I pissed everyone on the Bucs board off for jumping on but I knew he did it on purpose. The old "accidently" kick the QB in the head as you pretend to try and step over the pile.

I guess we're all different, to me as a Saint fan or not I'd be outraged at what my boys were doing. There's no excuse for that kind of crap, but since it's your team most are giving a pass.

UK_WhoDat · 04-06-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by PatMcIrish

I keep hearing you guys asking penalties for others, who else has been taped and up against this kind of clear evidence? If it's out there you're absolutely right, they should be punished as well. .......

Similarly, where is the clear evidence that Saints players did actually play with the intention to maim etc (regardless what Gregg Williams was or was not instructing). And by extension where is the clear evidence that the Saints Head Coach and The Sants General Manager sanctioned or even knew of a "plan" to maim?

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2012, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

Similarly, where is the clear evidence that Saints players did actually play with the intention to maim etc (regardless what Gregg Williams was or was not instructing). And by extension where is the clear evidence that the Saints Head Coach and The Sants General Manager sanctioned or even knew of a "plan" to maim?

Still waiting for an answer, Pat.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-06-2012, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by PatMcIrish

I keep hearing you guys asking penalties for others, who else has been taped and up against this kind of clear evidence? If it's out there you're absolutely right, they should be punished as well.

Ever seen the movie 12 Angry Men? The "I kill ya" scene? No? Check it out.. great movie...

Since you are so big on "clear evidence", could you please show us the clear evidence of any Saints player doing what Gregg Williams asked them to do in that game? Because what I remember from that game, is the Whiners putting the hurt on the Saints, not the other way around. Maybe the Whiners pay better bounties... they have a history of handing out envelopes with cash in them..

Heck, one could argue, the 2010 and 2011 defenses were so bad, it probably was because the Saints refused to do what Williams asked them to do: How come they didn't take out Marshawn Lynch? How come Smith, and Davis, and Crabtree were there with 1 and a half minutes to go in the game, and looked very healthy slicing and dicing the Saints defense?

And please, stop it with this "The Saints are the only ones doing it because we have no evidence to the contrary". Either you are trying to provoke people, or you really don't know the game you watch. Oh, and I am pretty sure NFL Films has some good material as far as locker room speeches go (or maybe had, and have been busy destroying it to prevent it from being used against them in current and upcoming lawsuits... the NFL has a history of conveniently destroying evidence too)

PatMcIrish · 04-07-2012, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

And please, stop it with this "The Saints are the only ones doing it because we have no evidence to the contrary". Either you are trying to provoke people, or you really don't know the game you watch.

Always a few that miss the point. Unless making solid points is trying to provoke you, once again you miss the mark. It has nothing to do with what you *think* other teams are doing!? It doesn't matter how long you want to beat on the podium and claim you guys are the victims here, it's simply not true. Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. This attempt at minimizing what you've done makes you look bad.

Even if other teams have/had bounty systems in place (which I seriously doubt) it doesn't change anything to do with you guys. I kill my neighbor, a defense of "well two other guys in the neighborhood are murderers as well" just does not cut the mustard! Quit using the "everyone else is doing it" excuse, it plays very badly to intelligent ears. You're the kind of poster that the other fans are talking about, a fan that wants to blame any and everyone else other than the guilty parties!

As for SP, I'm sorry as I know this is a big one we will disagree on but he's just as guilty as GW was in my book. For one thing nobody will ever tell me he didn't know about it. That's not possible. I've played the game, guys talk, guys get excited, guys are going to be fired up about this bounty thing. Players, coaches and everyone else involved aren't going to be under a long-term conspiracy to keep it a secret from the head coach. That's just silly talk.

But even if in the one in a million shot Sean was so blind about what was going on with this team he had no idea, it wouldn't matter. My college gets hit with recruiting violations then the head coach takes it up the rectum as well. That's how it works. Sean hired this guy, he's ultimately responsible for what goes on under his watch. To accept the good things, rings and so on from your DC, but immediately disqualify yourself when things go wrong is ridiculous.

SaintsBro · 04-07-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by PatMcIrish

Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on.

That has already happened, long before you ever got here and began your trolling.

But if it makes you happy to come here as a drive-by poster and piously lecture to us, chastise and scold us, then I'm glad you are able to get a bang out of the schadenfreude. Thank you for the morality lecture, kind Sir. We will promise to keep eating crow, and repeating how miserable and wrong and unethical we Saints fans are, repeating it over and over, until you and every other fan of every other team in the world are finally happy. We will not "move on" until you are satisfied, until YOU give us your approval, and until you are personally ready to allow us to move on. Would you like us to burn Sean Payton in effigy, and you can monitor the proceedings to make sure we are sufficiently contrite and humbled. Is there a loyalty oath or piece of paper we can sign to be allowed to be citizens of the NFL again, in your wise opinion. We are all ethically deviant, just for believing that the Saints aren't the only team on earth who ever had bounties, and we deserve to be fans of a losing team for a long, long time.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-07-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by PatMcIrish

Always a few that miss the point. Unless making solid points is trying to provoke you, once again you miss the mark. It has nothing to do with what you *think* other teams are doing!? It doesn't matter how long you want to beat on the podium and claim you guys are the victims here, it's simply not true. Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. This attempt at minimizing what you've done makes you look bad.

Even if other teams have/had bounty systems in place (which I seriously doubt) it doesn't change anything to do with you guys. I kill my neighbor, a defense of "well two other guys in the neighborhood are murderers as well" just does not cut the mustard! Quit using the "everyone else is doing it" excuse, it plays very badly to intelligent ears. You're the kind of poster that the other fans are talking about, a fan that wants to blame any and everyone else other than the guilty parties!

"Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears?

And I don't *think* other teams are doing it. Other teams *are* doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record.

But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they *think* are "solid points".

Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is:

Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark):

New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube

Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar.

Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube

Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube

"OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=R00Sjhp3bbQ

So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears.

Budsdrinker · 04-10-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

"Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears?

And I don't *think* other teams are doing it. Other teams *are* doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record.

But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they *think* are "solid points".

Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is:

Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark):
New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube

Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar.

Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube
Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube

"OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties"
Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube

So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears.

Nice job Tobias!

BountyGate · 04-12-2012, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

"Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears?

And I don't *think* other teams are doing it. Other teams *are* doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record.

But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they *think* are "solid points".

Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is:

Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark):
New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube

Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar.

Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube
Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube

"OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties"
Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube

So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears.

You can't tell the difference between those two hits? On the Favre hit, #93 targets his knees the entire time. Look at where his eyes are -- staring directly at Favre's knees. On the Schaub sack, Allen clearly stumbles, looks at the ground and is basically crawling to try to get the sack. His head is looking down and he even turns so that he only grazes him with the outside shoulder.

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04-06-2012, 09:18 AM	#1
PatMcIrish Rookie Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 16	I keep hearing you guys asking penalties for others, who else has been taped and up against this kind of clear evidence? If it's out there you're absolutely right, they should be punished as well. And FTR I agree about Goodell, not sure what he is thinking sometime. The Pats should have gotten a lot more than they did. But in the end none of that is relevant, what you guys did was wrong and frankly I'm shocked so many of you are okay with it. I'm a Bucs fan first, like the Saints 2nd, but I remember when Sapp kicked someone in the head. I pissed everyone on the Bucs board off for jumping on but I knew he did it on purpose. The old "accidently" kick the QB in the head as you pretend to try and step over the pile. I guess we're all different, to me as a Saint fan or not I'd be outraged at what my boys were doing. There's no excuse for that kind of crap, but since it's your team most are giving a pass.
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04-06-2012, 02:48 PM	#2
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,004	Originally Posted by PatMcIrish I keep hearing you guys asking penalties for others, who else has been taped and up against this kind of clear evidence? If it's out there you're absolutely right, they should be punished as well. ....... Similarly, where is the clear evidence that Saints players did actually play with the intention to maim etc (regardless what Gregg Williams was or was not instructing). And by extension where is the clear evidence that the Saints Head Coach and The Sants General Manager sanctioned or even knew of a "plan" to maim?

04-06-2012, 04:21 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat Similarly, where is the clear evidence that Saints players did actually play with the intention to maim etc (regardless what Gregg Williams was or was not instructing). And by extension where is the clear evidence that the Saints Head Coach and The Sants General Manager sanctioned or even knew of a "plan" to maim? Still waiting for an answer, Pat.

04-06-2012, 11:04 PM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by PatMcIrish I keep hearing you guys asking penalties for others, who else has been taped and up against this kind of clear evidence? If it's out there you're absolutely right, they should be punished as well. Ever seen the movie 12 Angry Men? The "I kill ya" scene? No? Check it out.. great movie... Since you are so big on "clear evidence", could you please show us the clear evidence of any Saints player doing what Gregg Williams asked them to do in that game? Because what I remember from that game, is the Whiners putting the hurt on the Saints, not the other way around. Maybe the Whiners pay better bounties... they have a history of handing out envelopes with cash in them.. Heck, one could argue, the 2010 and 2011 defenses were so bad, it probably was because the Saints refused to do what Williams asked them to do: How come they didn't take out Marshawn Lynch? How come Smith, and Davis, and Crabtree were there with 1 and a half minutes to go in the game, and looked very healthy slicing and dicing the Saints defense? And please, stop it with this "The Saints are the only ones doing it because we have no evidence to the contrary". Either you are trying to provoke people, or you really don't know the game you watch. Oh, and I am pretty sure NFL Films has some good material as far as locker room speeches go (or maybe had, and have been busy destroying it to prevent it from being used against them in current and upcoming lawsuits... the NFL has a history of conveniently destroying evidence too)
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04-07-2012, 12:51 PM	#5
PatMcIrish Rookie Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 16	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper And please, stop it with this "The Saints are the only ones doing it because we have no evidence to the contrary". Either you are trying to provoke people, or you really don't know the game you watch. Always a few that miss the point. Unless making solid points is trying to provoke you, once again you miss the mark. It has nothing to do with what you think other teams are doing!? It doesn't matter how long you want to beat on the podium and claim you guys are the victims here, it's simply not true. Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. This attempt at minimizing what you've done makes you look bad. Even if other teams have/had bounty systems in place (which I seriously doubt) it doesn't change anything to do with you guys. I kill my neighbor, a defense of "well two other guys in the neighborhood are murderers as well" just does not cut the mustard! Quit using the "everyone else is doing it" excuse, it plays very badly to intelligent ears. You're the kind of poster that the other fans are talking about, a fan that wants to blame any and everyone else other than the guilty parties! As for SP, I'm sorry as I know this is a big one we will disagree on but he's just as guilty as GW was in my book. For one thing nobody will ever tell me he didn't know about it. That's not possible. I've played the game, guys talk, guys get excited, guys are going to be fired up about this bounty thing. Players, coaches and everyone else involved aren't going to be under a long-term conspiracy to keep it a secret from the head coach. That's just silly talk. But even if in the one in a million shot Sean was so blind about what was going on with this team he had no idea, it wouldn't matter. My college gets hit with recruiting violations then the head coach takes it up the rectum as well. That's how it works. Sean hired this guy, he's ultimately responsible for what goes on under his watch. To accept the good things, rings and so on from your DC, but immediately disqualify yourself when things go wrong is ridiculous.
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04-07-2012, 02:03 PM	#6
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by PatMcIrish Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. That has already happened, long before you ever got here and began your trolling. But if it makes you happy to come here as a drive-by poster and piously lecture to us, chastise and scold us, then I'm glad you are able to get a bang out of the schadenfreude. Thank you for the morality lecture, kind Sir. We will promise to keep eating crow, and repeating how miserable and wrong and unethical we Saints fans are, repeating it over and over, until you and every other fan of every other team in the world are finally happy. We will not "move on" until you are satisfied, until YOU give us your approval, and until you are personally ready to allow us to move on. Would you like us to burn Sean Payton in effigy, and you can monitor the proceedings to make sure we are sufficiently contrite and humbled. Is there a loyalty oath or piece of paper we can sign to be allowed to be citizens of the NFL again, in your wise opinion. We are all ethically deviant, just for believing that the Saints aren't the only team on earth who ever had bounties, and we deserve to be fans of a losing team for a long, long time. Tobias-Reiper and SaintPauly like this.

04-10-2012, 09:52 AM	#8
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper "Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears? And I don't think other teams are doing it. Other teams are doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record. But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they think are "solid points". Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is: Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark): New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar. Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube "OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties" Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears. Nice job Tobias!

04-12-2012, 05:45 PM	#9
BountyGate Rookie Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper "Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears? And I don't think other teams are doing it. Other teams are doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record. But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they think are "solid points". Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is: Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark): New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar. Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube "OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties" Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears. You can't tell the difference between those two hits? On the Favre hit, #93 targets his knees the entire time. Look at where his eyes are -- staring directly at Favre's knees. On the Schaub sack, Allen clearly stumbles, looks at the ground and is basically crawling to try to get the sack. His head is looking down and he even turns so that he only grazes him with the outside shoulder.
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