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Dude, believe what you will, I've said my peace and then some.

and Mitch, sorry man, but if you don't like it you don't have to read it. When someone takes initiative to talk down to me over not liking a pick, I will defend myself. It's BS that a fellow Saints fan would want to start an argument with me over nothing.

pherein

lol, he's got a point mitch. They both have a right to defend their positions. Kind of a reason why you have a thread in the first place. Wether or not you want to hear it, is where you should get off your comfortable horse and stop reading. lol

A thread without opposing views where one guy gets banned, if its not completely pro saints, is the saintsreport I thought.

burningmetal has a point of view thats not popular, but more than that, he's supporting it by posting against anyone that post against him. Its possible he's just being confrontational , supporting a view with no reason for sake of argument. OR its possible everyone else is. But thats why we have threads. To further our own knowledge and personal development, be proven wrong or right, or not sure. To listen or be listened to. Ramble, say what we think we mean, and get ripped apart. Its all good.

The guys that post and defend their arguments without listening to others get a reputation as being useless to talk to, and their future opinions get greatly devalued. Guys willing to work things out and see the others point of view go on to be important to the black and gold, like you mitch. Which might be why its bothering you,lol. Your not seeing either side let up, and that can get annoying.
No you don't know what Im say..
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It gets old after awhile when people only read what they want to read in a post and not what was posted.
I completely get where you coming from. But you have to admit, its pretty funny sometimes

Saints proved that pigs could fly in 2009.
Now its time for another miracle SuperBowl and go where no pig has gone before.

FinSaint

Why I originally liked the idea of picking one of the three: Randall, Wolfe or Hicks in this year's draft is that they all have a very tall frame with great "wingspan."

Hicks being 6-5 and having the arm length of 35+ inches and the hand length of 10+ inches - even if he doesn't get to the QB through the interior, he can always put his hands up and swat/pat the pass out of the air.

Miller (6-4), Johnson (6-3), Bunkley (6-2), King (6-2), and Ellis (6-1) are not tall enough or athletic enough (Miller) to provide the same type of pass interference as someone with the measurables of Hicks.

Putting f.e. Hicks and Johnson on the field at the same time on passing downs could potentially make passing down the middle much harder for even taller QBs like Freeman. That is kind of what Spags did in NY with someone like Chris Canty, so therefore, I thought that since the Saints lacked a DT of such stature on their roster, they'd try to pick someone like that from the draft.

Even someone like Rogers was able to pat down a pass or two this past season if I remember correctly, but although he had the height to do it, he lacked the athleticism to do it effectively nor did he have the ideal body frame for it either. And, I seriously doubt that Swanson Miller will see anything else than practice squad time this coming season if all things go as planned - he might even end up being cut again.

"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

pherein

If its nothing why are you arguing about it ? Don't make points that make your point look silly. Not trying to be rude, just pointing out the obvious. I would like to be entertained by this argument at some point.

canucksaint

I think this pick is a very interesting one. With the Saints not having a 1st or 2nd, I would think that they would have spent a considerable more amount of time looking at lower round prospect than other teams, therefore I would assume that they would have a better feel for some of these "diamonds in the rough" than others. I do understand some of the concerns that he played in Canada, and by no means is the competition the same, however one also has acknowledge that another Canadian player was drafted in the 4th round by the Chargers a couple years ago (Vaughan Martin) and he is now their starting DT. Seems like his size and stats equally compare.

FinSaint

And Tom Johnson was also acquired from the CFL, and that one Dolphin player who became a star for them, can't remember his name now.

RaginCajun83

Cameron Wake I believe

pherein

The fact that our scouts are even watching the CFL for talent says a lot about how much more advanced we are than other teams in scouting.

FinSaint

Yes, he was the one, thanks!

canucksaint

True, there are some gems in the CFL, however not that many whom are drafted out of the CIS (Canadian University League). A lot of CFL players (ie. Wake and Johnson) played in a US college (Penn and Michigan), but I can only think of 3 CIS players who are currently are on an NFL team. (Israel Idonije - CHI, Vaughan Martin - SD and Cory Greenwood - KC), with only Vaughan being drafted, the others signed as undrafted FA.