Saints Pick Akeim Hicks DT - Regina Canada

04-28-2012, 01:03 AM

I disagree; D-Line is/was our biggest need, save for depth at CB...

No need to draft offense with our first pick, when we have the exact same record setting offense from last year...

Spagnoulo relies on pressure from the line, which we could not get last year. With his guidance, Hicks can be great.

Oh and he probably could play tomorrow and do a better job than Ellis, Rodgers, Franklin did last year...

CharityMike · 04-28-2012, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I disagree; D-Line is/was our biggest need, save for depth at CB...

No need to draft offense with our first pick, when we have the exact same record setting offense from last year...

Spagnoulo relies on pressure from the line, which we could not get last year. With his guidance, Hicks can be great.

Oh and he probably could play tomorrow and do a better job than Ellis, Rodgers, Franklin did last year...

Im with you. DT and CB was our biggest need. Does he need guidance and coaching of course but I think we have the right coach's to make it happen.

Now we need CB.

Saintsfan4ever · 04-28-2012, 01:37 AM

Mitch, thanks for the youtube clip.

I like how this guy talked in the interview. He's got the size and the attitude to be an impact player. If Loomis thought enough of this guy to burn our first pick of the draft on a defensive lineman, then obviously they see some major potential here. This is no camp body pick. This was a well thought out selection.
I'm in.

phatoosdey · 04-28-2012, 02:40 AM

?? i thought he was a receiver for the giants ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Nicks ) ....ok just kidding
hey its defense i like the pick

dizzle88 · 04-28-2012, 04:26 AM

Looks like a very versatile player, playing DE and DT but the guy is huge and has good closing speed for a DT, he may need to work on his strength and technique as he's going against some of the best guards in the league, could be a diamond in the rough with tons of upside, he's on our team now so let's root for him

FinSaint · 04-28-2012, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I didn't think I'd be in the minority when I thought this after the Saints picked Hicks, but I guess I am. I'm totally unimpressed with the pick. Not because he doesn't have potential, which he does, but because we didn't have a need so great at DT that we had to draft yet another project when there were more proven players at other positions of need. Loomis has hit some home runs with these types of players, as we all know, but he's also struck out a few times. I thought there were some very good players surprisingly left on the board, but apparently they are in love with this guy.

We don't have very good OT's. They're serviceable, but require a lot of help from the tight ends which takes away from the amount of time Jimmy Graham can be on the field. Bobby Massie was right there, and they didn't take him. Jared Crick, a more polished DT, was there, Ladarius Green was there if the Saints were interested in some play making depth behind Graham. But oh well, all I can do is hope it works out.

I like the pick in itself, and I do think that a playmaking DT was the biggest need they had going into the draft, but I do agree that a 3rd round pick might be higher than I would've liked to see them spend on him.

But like Mayock continuously said during the 1st round coverage - if the pick works out it doesn't matter what you had to give up to get the guy.

I guess they really liked him, and thought that he'd be off the board when they'd be on the clock for the next time, for all we know he might've been the BPA in a need position, so I can't really fault the decision.

SaintGup · 04-28-2012, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I didn't think I'd be in the minority when I thought this after the Saints picked Hicks, but I guess I am. I'm totally unimpressed with the pick. Not because he doesn't have potential, which he does, but because we didn't have a need so great at DT that we had to draft yet another project when there were more proven players at other positions of need. Loomis has hit some home runs with these types of players, as we all know, but he's also struck out a few times. I thought there were some very good players surprisingly left on the board, but apparently they are in love with this guy.

We don't have very good OT's. They're serviceable, but require a lot of help from the tight ends which takes away from the amount of time Jimmy Graham can be on the field. Bobby Massie was right there, and they didn't take him. Jared Crick, a more polished DT, was there, Ladarius Green was there if the Saints were interested in some play making depth behind Graham. But oh well, all I can do is hope it works out.

My friend, I understand your concerns but to mention our offense's shortcomings after the season we had last year, especially your comment on Jimmy Graham's playing time seems a little unnecessary. We needed to address our defense, especially our Line as one of our problems was lack of Qb pressure. Yes this guy is raw but so is a steak until given some heat and some spices and...erm, a little barbecue glaze with...ah, erm...sorry, can't finish my point as I need to get something to Eat. Bye.

burningmetal · 04-28-2012, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGup

My friend, I understand your concerns but to mention our offense's shortcomings after the season we had last year, especially your comment on Jimmy Graham's playing time seems a little unnecessary. We needed to address our defense, especially our Line as one of our problems was lack of Qb pressure. Yes this guy is raw but so is a steak until given some heat and some spices and...erm, a little barbecue glaze with...ah, erm...sorry, can't finish my point as I need to get something to Eat. Bye.

I think those of you who are disagreeing with me are missing my point. I didn't particularly want an offensive guy, but in the 3rd round there isn't a lot of elite talent left on the board. So you take the best player regardless of position, unless it's a quarterback or running back, which we obviously have no need or lack of depth there.

I mentioned Massie because he was, in my opinion, the best player left on the board. I haven't forgotten the Rams game last year when Drew nearly got killed. Our tackles are only saved by Drew's ability to feel the pressure, step up and make quick decisions. We signed Brodrick Bunkley, so we're already better at DT than we have been in a while. Could we use another? Sure, but I don't believe Hicks is good enough, or specifically reliable enough to warrant being picked over some of the other talent that was there.

This isn't a blue collar, great work ethic, physical specimen that Graham, Colston and Evans have been as project type players. He's got the physical part, but he doesn't have the greatest attitude, and that's what keeps me from feeling very confident about him. You can't get better if you don't want to work hard 100% of the time. But I will of course be pulling for him now that he's on our team.

burningmetal · 04-28-2012, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I disagree; D-Line is/was our biggest need, save for depth at CB...

No need to draft offense with our first pick, when we have the exact same record setting offense from last year...

Spagnoulo relies on pressure from the line, which we could not get last year. With his guidance, Hicks can be great.

Oh and he probably could play tomorrow and do a better job than Ellis, Rodgers, Franklin did last year...

I think enough has been done through free agency to upgrade the defense, that the Saints don't need to approach any position as a glaring need. I don't mind getting another DT but I wouldn't mind getting an OT considering it is the only weakness we have on offense. I simply didn't like the selection of Hicks, because for one he is vastly unproven, but mainly he doesn't seem to have a want to be great. Everybody loves his potential and so do I, but I have concerns about his character.

alleycat_126 · 04-28-2012, 07:57 AM

I thought he got drafted already!!! Like in a previous draft!!!! Name sounds familiar cause of the former ties to LSU!!!!

04-28-2012, 01:03 AM	#31
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04-28-2012, 01:25 AM	#32
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I disagree; D-Line is/was our biggest need, save for depth at CB... No need to draft offense with our first pick, when we have the exact same record setting offense from last year... Spagnoulo relies on pressure from the line, which we could not get last year. With his guidance, Hicks can be great. Oh and he probably could play tomorrow and do a better job than Ellis, Rodgers, Franklin did last year... Im with you. DT and CB was our biggest need. Does he need guidance and coaching of course but I think we have the right coach's to make it happen. Now we need CB.

04-28-2012, 01:37 AM	#33
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Mitch, thanks for the youtube clip. I like how this guy talked in the interview. He's got the size and the attitude to be an impact player. If Loomis thought enough of this guy to burn our first pick of the draft on a defensive lineman, then obviously they see some major potential here. This is no camp body pick. This was a well thought out selection. I'm in. claus808 and pherein like this.

04-28-2012, 05:25 AM	#36
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by burningmetal I didn't think I'd be in the minority when I thought this after the Saints picked Hicks, but I guess I am. I'm totally unimpressed with the pick. Not because he doesn't have potential, which he does, but because we didn't have a need so great at DT that we had to draft yet another project when there were more proven players at other positions of need. Loomis has hit some home runs with these types of players, as we all know, but he's also struck out a few times. I thought there were some very good players surprisingly left on the board, but apparently they are in love with this guy. We don't have very good OT's. They're serviceable, but require a lot of help from the tight ends which takes away from the amount of time Jimmy Graham can be on the field. Bobby Massie was right there, and they didn't take him. Jared Crick, a more polished DT, was there, Ladarius Green was there if the Saints were interested in some play making depth behind Graham. But oh well, all I can do is hope it works out. I like the pick in itself, and I do think that a playmaking DT was the biggest need they had going into the draft, but I do agree that a 3rd round pick might be higher than I would've liked to see them spend on him. But like Mayock continuously said during the 1st round coverage - if the pick works out it doesn't matter what you had to give up to get the guy. I guess they really liked him, and thought that he'd be off the board when they'd be on the clock for the next time, for all we know he might've been the BPA in a need position, so I can't really fault the decision.
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04-28-2012, 06:33 AM	#37
SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	Originally Posted by burningmetal I didn't think I'd be in the minority when I thought this after the Saints picked Hicks, but I guess I am. I'm totally unimpressed with the pick. Not because he doesn't have potential, which he does, but because we didn't have a need so great at DT that we had to draft yet another project when there were more proven players at other positions of need. Loomis has hit some home runs with these types of players, as we all know, but he's also struck out a few times. I thought there were some very good players surprisingly left on the board, but apparently they are in love with this guy. We don't have very good OT's. They're serviceable, but require a lot of help from the tight ends which takes away from the amount of time Jimmy Graham can be on the field. Bobby Massie was right there, and they didn't take him. Jared Crick, a more polished DT, was there, Ladarius Green was there if the Saints were interested in some play making depth behind Graham. But oh well, all I can do is hope it works out. My friend, I understand your concerns but to mention our offense's shortcomings after the season we had last year, especially your comment on Jimmy Graham's playing time seems a little unnecessary. We needed to address our defense, especially our Line as one of our problems was lack of Qb pressure. Yes this guy is raw but so is a steak until given some heat and some spices and...erm, a little barbecue glaze with...ah, erm...sorry, can't finish my point as I need to get something to Eat. Bye. Rugby Saint II and pherein like this.

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04-28-2012, 02:40 AM	#34
phatoosdey Drunkagen Join Date: May 2007 Location: kenner Posts: 356	?? i thought he was a receiver for the giants ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Nicks ) ....ok just kidding hey its defense i like the pick

04-28-2012, 04:26 AM	#35
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Looks like a very versatile player, playing DE and DT but the guy is huge and has good closing speed for a DT, he may need to work on his strength and technique as he's going against some of the best guards in the league, could be a diamond in the rough with tons of upside, he's on our team now so let's root for him

04-28-2012, 07:15 AM	#38
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by SaintGup My friend, I understand your concerns but to mention our offense's shortcomings after the season we had last year, especially your comment on Jimmy Graham's playing time seems a little unnecessary. We needed to address our defense, especially our Line as one of our problems was lack of Qb pressure. Yes this guy is raw but so is a steak until given some heat and some spices and...erm, a little barbecue glaze with...ah, erm...sorry, can't finish my point as I need to get something to Eat. Bye. I think those of you who are disagreeing with me are missing my point. I didn't particularly want an offensive guy, but in the 3rd round there isn't a lot of elite talent left on the board. So you take the best player regardless of position, unless it's a quarterback or running back, which we obviously have no need or lack of depth there. I mentioned Massie because he was, in my opinion, the best player left on the board. I haven't forgotten the Rams game last year when Drew nearly got killed. Our tackles are only saved by Drew's ability to feel the pressure, step up and make quick decisions. We signed Brodrick Bunkley, so we're already better at DT than we have been in a while. Could we use another? Sure, but I don't believe Hicks is good enough, or specifically reliable enough to warrant being picked over some of the other talent that was there. This isn't a blue collar, great work ethic, physical specimen that Graham, Colston and Evans have been as project type players. He's got the physical part, but he doesn't have the greatest attitude, and that's what keeps me from feeling very confident about him. You can't get better if you don't want to work hard 100% of the time. But I will of course be pulling for him now that he's on our team. Danno likes this.
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04-28-2012, 07:30 AM	#39
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I disagree; D-Line is/was our biggest need, save for depth at CB... No need to draft offense with our first pick, when we have the exact same record setting offense from last year... Spagnoulo relies on pressure from the line, which we could not get last year. With his guidance, Hicks can be great. Oh and he probably could play tomorrow and do a better job than Ellis, Rodgers, Franklin did last year... I think enough has been done through free agency to upgrade the defense, that the Saints don't need to approach any position as a glaring need. I don't mind getting another DT but I wouldn't mind getting an OT considering it is the only weakness we have on offense. I simply didn't like the selection of Hicks, because for one he is vastly unproven, but mainly he doesn't seem to have a want to be great. Everybody loves his potential and so do I, but I have concerns about his character.

04-28-2012, 07:57 AM	#40
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	I thought he got drafted already!!! Like in a previous draft!!!! Name sounds familiar cause of the former ties to LSU!!!!

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