New Orleans Saints players deserve to know their fate now

|Mitch| · 05-01-2012, 04:42 PM

Regardless what happens, Roger is a true ******* for delaying it for so long.

blackangold · 05-01-2012, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

The star caps incident, The NFL violated state laws, that was the main issue that held it up in the courts. If the NFL hands out suspensions the players would need that kind of power to trump the NFL otherwise, they don't have a leg to stand on. What state or federal violations would the NFL be guilty of in this case...I don't know, I'm no lawyer but I'm sure the lawyers of the players will do their best to find one.

They (NFL) are not guilty of breaking laws, however they would be violating existing contracts which garner pay for other individuals, and essentially they are a third party violating a agreed upon contract between two other entities. There may be stipulations or wordage that incorporates the occurrence of suspensions by a third party (NFL) but we are not privileged to that information. Thus virtually any suspension handed out by the NFL can be disputed in a civil court or go to arbitration to determine the vitality of suspending (taking money) said individuals (players OR coaches).

CharityMike · 05-01-2012, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

They (NFL) are not guilty of breaking laws, however they would be violating existing contracts which garner pay for other individuals, and essentially they are a third party violating a agreed upon contract between two other entities. There may be stipulations or wordage that incorporates the occurrence of suspensions by a third party (NFL) but we are not privileged to that information. Thus virtually any suspension handed out by the NFL can be disputed in a civil court or go to arbitration to determine the vitality of suspending (taking money) said individuals (players OR coaches).

What he said!! I'm with Saintfan..I want this to get nasty!!

Rugby Saint II · 05-01-2012, 11:22 AM

Players and fans need to know now.......not to mention the FO.

LivnaLieTimay · 05-01-2012, 06:42 PM

For a guy who talks a big game about having definitive proof to his "findings" he sure is taking his time. His actions aren't that of someone who is confident he knows the whole truth. I definitely think the players union gave him a dose of reality a few weeks ago when they met and now he realizes the players aren't going to go down without a fight.

ChrisXVI · 05-01-2012, 07:44 PM

Seems to me that it's been delayed because Goodell doesn't have anything on the players other than some "unnamed source" saying that Vilma offered up that $10k. Guarantee you Goodell took hearsay like that and ran with it and now he's kinda screwed.

Mardigras9 · 05-01-2012, 07:50 PM

Seems like the longer he goes, the less likely he will suspend a large number. He would essentially cut the Saints Defensive hamstrings in one blow right before training camp.

|Mitch| · 05-01-2012, 07:56 PM

The NFLPA not seeing any meaningful evidence has to handcuff Roger a little bit. If he tries to go too harsh, I see the players union bringing him a severe legal fight...

BGWhoDat · 05-01-2012, 09:24 PM

Don't the union still appeal to Goodell, or do they go outside of him?

st thomas · 05-01-2012, 09:56 PM

thats why i'm hoping enough is enough to this org. is it not enough we won't have a coach? is it not enough the stand in is only there for 8 games and the last the g.m. gone for 8 when is enough. gavel down. BANG

05-01-2012, 10:59 PM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Originally Posted by Beastmode The star caps incident, The NFL violated state laws, that was the main issue that held it up in the courts. If the NFL hands out suspensions the players would need that kind of power to trump the NFL otherwise, they don't have a leg to stand on. What state or federal violations would the NFL be guilty of in this case...I don't know, I'm no lawyer but I'm sure the lawyers of the players will do their best to find one. They (NFL) are not guilty of breaking laws, however they would be violating existing contracts which garner pay for other individuals, and essentially they are a third party violating a agreed upon contract between two other entities. There may be stipulations or wordage that incorporates the occurrence of suspensions by a third party (NFL) but we are not privileged to that information. Thus virtually any suspension handed out by the NFL can be disputed in a civil court or go to arbitration to determine the vitality of suspending (taking money) said individuals (players OR coaches).

05-01-2012, 11:25 PM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by blackangold They (NFL) are not guilty of breaking laws, however they would be violating existing contracts which garner pay for other individuals, and essentially they are a third party violating a agreed upon contract between two other entities. There may be stipulations or wordage that incorporates the occurrence of suspensions by a third party (NFL) but we are not privileged to that information. Thus virtually any suspension handed out by the NFL can be disputed in a civil court or go to arbitration to determine the vitality of suspending (taking money) said individuals (players OR coaches). What he said!! I'm with Saintfan..I want this to get nasty!!

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05-01-2012, 04:42 PM	#1
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Regardless what happens, Roger is a true ******* for delaying it for so long.

05-01-2012, 11:22 AM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Players and fans need to know now.......not to mention the FO.

05-01-2012, 06:42 PM	#5
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,498	For a guy who talks a big game about having definitive proof to his "findings" he sure is taking his time. His actions aren't that of someone who is confident he knows the whole truth. I definitely think the players union gave him a dose of reality a few weeks ago when they met and now he realizes the players aren't going to go down without a fight.

05-01-2012, 07:44 PM	#6
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Seems to me that it's been delayed because Goodell doesn't have anything on the players other than some "unnamed source" saying that Vilma offered up that $10k. Guarantee you Goodell took hearsay like that and ran with it and now he's kinda screwed.

05-01-2012, 07:50 PM	#7
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Seems like the longer he goes, the less likely he will suspend a large number. He would essentially cut the Saints Defensive hamstrings in one blow right before training camp.

05-01-2012, 07:56 PM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	The NFLPA not seeing any meaningful evidence has to handcuff Roger a little bit. If he tries to go too harsh, I see the players union bringing him a severe legal fight...

05-01-2012, 09:24 PM	#9
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	Don't the union still appeal to Goodell, or do they go outside of him?

05-01-2012, 09:56 PM	#10
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	thats why i'm hoping enough is enough to this org. is it not enough we won't have a coach? is it not enough the stand in is only there for 8 games and the last the g.m. gone for 8 when is enough. gavel down. BANG