VILMA suspended for season....

SapperSaint · 05-02-2012, 12:28 PM

So with Vilma being suspended are we contractually obligated to pay him and if not does what he would have made go against us on the salary cap?

|Mitch| · 05-02-2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

So with Vilma being suspended are we contractually obligated to pay him and if not does what he would have made go against us on the salary cap?

I think he doesn't count against the cap now, I could be wrong though

CharityMike · 05-02-2012, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

So with Vilma being suspended are we contractually obligated to pay him and if not does what he would have made go against us on the salary cap?

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I think he doesn't count against the cap now, I could be wrong though

His salary is not counted against the CAP as soon as the suspension starts. Which is now. All others are going to be pro-rated, which will give us a little bit more money.

pherein · 05-02-2012, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I think he doesn't count against the cap now, I could be wrong though

Yeah, your right.

hitta · 05-02-2012, 12:47 PM

It's starting to really annoy me how the NFL constantly uses scapegoats to get their point across. And while I'm extremely happy more players weren't suspended, as I thought this entire bounty issue was bull****... I find it extremely unfair that Vilma is being used as an example; and it just goes to show the common theme with this whole bounty investigation and how the Saints franchise is being used.

A few football points: If Brees' contract isn't tied up quickly with the sudden stream of cap space we've acquired from these suspensions, then we all have a big reason to worry... cause something doesn't make sense.

I'd highly optimistic about the D-line going into the start of the year. I think Will Smith is and has been a very consistent player for us, but I'm highly excited about the young guys(Junior Galette, Greg Romeus specifically) as I think this gives them an opportunity to showcase their talent. I'm really high on Brodrick Bunkley.

Our secondary as it looks, is pretty much intact. A lot of pundits were saying that we needed to draft players to fill the roles of the suspended players during the draft; turns out they were wrong and our defense looks pretty much together.

sharke · 05-02-2012, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

It's starting to really annoy me how the NFL constantly uses scapegoats to get their point across. And while I'm extremely happy more players weren't suspended, as I thought this entire bounty issue was bull****... I find it extremely unfair that Vilma is being used as an example; and it just goes to show the common theme with this whole bounty investigation and how the Saints franchise is being used.

Once Vilma's name was said negatively on the view (or any nonsports centered show) his days were numbered. It's bad P/R to people who only know football for the superbowl and nothing else. Vilma's name came up in a scandal that has exposed said audience to the realities of contact sports thus jeopardizing potential revenue. Now, they see that the NFL has punished said evil doers and can feel guilt free for watching professional football irregularly.

hitta · 05-02-2012, 01:15 PM

You know what the funny thing is, according to the NFL one of the major reasons that such a harsh suspension was given to Sean Payton was that the Saints organization ignored the NFL's warnings about using a bounty program. So what exactly is the logic behind the Scott Fujita and the Anthony Hargrove suspensions? As a matter of fact, how in the hell should Vilma and Sean Paytons suspensions be equal? Vilma didn't get no warning.

MistaBigXXL · 05-02-2012, 01:24 PM

I believe this is going to hurt us a lot more than some of you guys think (Most importantly Vilma). He was the "quarterback" of our defense, and even though his physical play has declined a bit, his football intelligence was top notch.

The bright spot is that the organization planned for this situation and made some great moves in the off season that will help us deal with it.

hitta · 05-02-2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by MistaBigXXL

I believe this is going to hurt us a lot more than some of you guys think (Most importantly Vilma). He was the "quarterback" of our defense, and even though his physical play has declined a bit, his football intelligence was top notch.

The bright spot is that the organization planned for this situation and made some great moves in the off season that will help us deal with it.

Yea I agree. Also I was really looking forward to seeing some of the LB configurations we would have used with our new guys and Vilma.

W. Kovacs · 05-02-2012, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by MistaBigXXL

I believe this is going to hurt us a lot more than some of you guys think (Most importantly Vilma). He was the "quarterback" of our defense, and even though his physical play has declined a bit, his football intelligence was top notch.

This is what scares me most. He does for our D what Ryan Clark does for the Steelers, D. Look what happened to them in the playoffs without him on the field to assign coverages based on pre-snap looks. It's his leadership that will be truly missed.

I am hoping Lofton can pock up some of the slack there but I don't know much about him as a leader like that.

And at the risk of incurring an " internet slap" I would love to see Shanle step into that leadership role. I can't help to root for the underdog and if Shanle's not an underdog around here, I don't know who is!!

05-02-2012, 12:28 PM	#1
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	So with Vilma being suspended are we contractually obligated to pay him and if not does what he would have made go against us on the salary cap? Halo likes this.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by SapperSaint So with Vilma being suspended are we contractually obligated to pay him and if not does what he would have made go against us on the salary cap? I think he doesn't count against the cap now, I could be wrong though Halo likes this.

05-02-2012, 12:31 PM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by SapperSaint So with Vilma being suspended are we contractually obligated to pay him and if not does what he would have made go against us on the salary cap? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I think he doesn't count against the cap now, I could be wrong though His salary is not counted against the CAP as soon as the suspension starts. Which is now. All others are going to be pro-rated, which will give us a little bit more money. pherein likes this.

05-02-2012, 12:33 PM	#4
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I think he doesn't count against the cap now, I could be wrong though Yeah, your right.

05-02-2012, 12:47 PM	#5
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	It's starting to really annoy me how the NFL constantly uses scapegoats to get their point across. And while I'm extremely happy more players weren't suspended, as I thought this entire bounty issue was bull****... I find it extremely unfair that Vilma is being used as an example; and it just goes to show the common theme with this whole bounty investigation and how the Saints franchise is being used. A few football points: If Brees' contract isn't tied up quickly with the sudden stream of cap space we've acquired from these suspensions, then we all have a big reason to worry... cause something doesn't make sense. I'd highly optimistic about the D-line going into the start of the year. I think Will Smith is and has been a very consistent player for us, but I'm highly excited about the young guys(Junior Galette, Greg Romeus specifically) as I think this gives them an opportunity to showcase their talent. I'm really high on Brodrick Bunkley. Our secondary as it looks, is pretty much intact. A lot of pundits were saying that we needed to draft players to fill the roles of the suspended players during the draft; turns out they were wrong and our defense looks pretty much together.
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05-02-2012, 01:08 PM	#6
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	Originally Posted by hitta It's starting to really annoy me how the NFL constantly uses scapegoats to get their point across. And while I'm extremely happy more players weren't suspended, as I thought this entire bounty issue was bull****... I find it extremely unfair that Vilma is being used as an example; and it just goes to show the common theme with this whole bounty investigation and how the Saints franchise is being used. Once Vilma's name was said negatively on the view (or any nonsports centered show) his days were numbered. It's bad P/R to people who only know football for the superbowl and nothing else. Vilma's name came up in a scandal that has exposed said audience to the realities of contact sports thus jeopardizing potential revenue. Now, they see that the NFL has punished said evil doers and can feel guilt free for watching professional football irregularly. Halo and pherein like this.

05-02-2012, 01:15 PM	#7
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	You know what the funny thing is, according to the NFL one of the major reasons that such a harsh suspension was given to Sean Payton was that the Saints organization ignored the NFL's warnings about using a bounty program. So what exactly is the logic behind the Scott Fujita and the Anthony Hargrove suspensions? As a matter of fact, how in the hell should Vilma and Sean Paytons suspensions be equal? Vilma didn't get no warning.
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05-02-2012, 01:24 PM	#8
MistaBigXXL 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 133	I believe this is going to hurt us a lot more than some of you guys think (Most importantly Vilma). He was the "quarterback" of our defense, and even though his physical play has declined a bit, his football intelligence was top notch. The bright spot is that the organization planned for this situation and made some great moves in the off season that will help us deal with it. sharke likes this.

05-02-2012, 01:29 PM	#9
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	Originally Posted by MistaBigXXL I believe this is going to hurt us a lot more than some of you guys think (Most importantly Vilma). He was the "quarterback" of our defense, and even though his physical play has declined a bit, his football intelligence was top notch. The bright spot is that the organization planned for this situation and made some great moves in the off season that will help us deal with it. Yea I agree. Also I was really looking forward to seeing some of the LB configurations we would have used with our new guys and Vilma. sharke likes this.
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332

05-02-2012, 02:04 PM	#10
W. Kovacs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 514	Originally Posted by MistaBigXXL I believe this is going to hurt us a lot more than some of you guys think (Most importantly Vilma). He was the "quarterback" of our defense, and even though his physical play has declined a bit, his football intelligence was top notch. This is what scares me most. He does for our D what Ryan Clark does for the Steelers, D. Look what happened to them in the playoffs without him on the field to assign coverages based on pre-snap looks. It's his leadership that will be truly missed. I am hoping Lofton can pock up some of the slack there but I don't know much about him as a leader like that. And at the risk of incurring an " internet slap" I would love to see Shanle step into that leadership role. I can't help to root for the underdog and if Shanle's not an underdog around here, I don't know who is!!

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